Military support for the republican candidates
NAME: TOTAL [ARMY] [NAVY] [AIRFORCE] [VETERAN] [USMC**]
RON PAUL: 24,965 [6,975] [6,765] [4,650] [5,075] [1,500]
McCain: 17,475 [6925] [6305] [1795] [800] [1600]
Romney: 3,551 [2,051] [0] [1500] [0]
Giuliani: 2,320 [1,450] [370] [250] [250]
Hunter: 1000 [0] [1000] [0]
Huckabee: 750 [250] [0] [500]
Tancredo: 350 [350] [0] [0]
Brownback: 71 [71] [0] [0]
Thompson: 0 [0] [0] [0]
Units are contributions in dollars by employees of the respective military organizations.
Source: Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly.
Percentages**:
49.5% Ron Paul
34.6% McCain
7.0% Romney
4.6% Giuliani
2.0% Hunter
2.3% Others
*Note: These statistics include the contributions of employees who recorded or indicated their military branch. Contributions where no employer was specified were naturally not included.
**Edit: McCain and Ron Paul have USMC contributions which were overlooked. Their totals have been corrected. (7/17/07)
Update: Ron Paul leads ALL presidential candidates in monetary military contributions.
Comment by hatefalseweight | July 16th, 2007
This is the data we’ve been needing!!! This puts the lie to all the corporate shills on talk radio and deluded people in the churches who supposedly think this war is a favor to God and Israel. Wrong ! It is about, as Henry Kissinger, George H. W. Bush, and Gary Hart have observed, about starting a “New World Order.”
Comment by Marco | July 16th, 2007
Go Ron Paul! He’s a total sleeper. Watch out America.
Comment by dthomasdigital | July 16th, 2007
Ron is the real voice of America, we need a person like this.
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Comment by Fascist Nation | July 16th, 2007
Nice work! Very interesting. I figured McCain would get the top.
Who is that nice young man in uniform?:
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Comment by Aaron | July 16th, 2007
Any contributions under $200 are not compiled here.
Presumably if these contributions were known it would widen the gap Ron Paul has received even further!
Comment by Andrea | July 16th, 2007
Can someone please send this to Hannity?
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Comment by stanky | July 16th, 2007
Excellent find! Great work! Go Ron Paul!
Comment by Iraq vet | July 16th, 2007
For those that don’t know, McCain is apparently bankrupt, and Ron Paul is gaining more and more support. I hope he will keep gaining support, and wipe Rudy’s pro war/pro holocaust platform off the face of the earth. I can’t wait to start seeing ads from this man. And I have to wonder, what kind of soldiers are supporting republican candidates who are pushing the war? I would have to guess only the extremely misguided ones.
Comment by David MacRae | July 16th, 2007
I don’t think that this really has much to do with the military. It’s just more proof that Ron’s is a grassroots campaign. I wonder what percentage of contributers making less than, say, $30,000 gave their money to Paul?
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Comment by Chris Fountain | July 16th, 2007
For what it’s worth, it appears there was $500 donated from employees of the ‘USMC,’ according to the FEC data. Go ahead and throw that up on the board too. Semper Fi.
Strange, but my employer is not listed and I made 3 small personal contributions during the quarter. Has anyone else checked to see if theirs are listed?
Peace be with you.
Comment by Thomas | July 16th, 2007
I checked and my employer isn’t listed either. Not sure why.
Comment by Paul | July 16th, 2007
Ron Paul is the furthest right wing Texas Republican I have ever seen. He is anti-gay,anti choice, he is against seperation of church and state. He went as far as to say he believes the goverment has the right to regulate sex! He believes gays sould be imprisoned. He also says the constitution does not probide for the right to privacy.
He is a vote for the church and total goverment control. No more Texas Republicand that hate so many americans. No more Rove diividers. We need a good leader. Ron Paul is bad for America.
Comment by Jason | July 16th, 2007
wow, paul (#17 above), you are severely misled. everything you said is the complete antithesis of what ron paul is about.
Comment by Chris | July 16th, 2007
What does “Veteran” mean in this data? To my knowledge people do not report of they previously served in the military.
Comment by Lowell | July 16th, 2007
Let me challenge this data for a moment. I do NOT recall providing anything about military status when I donated money to Ron Paul’s campaign. In fact, when I visit his web site now to donate, I see no question by which the kind of assessment alleged here could have been made.
Furthermore, this site says its source is the Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly, but when I click the link and read the report, I see nothing about branch of military service. NOR do I see the number of contributors (I do see dollars contributed [by zip, by date, etc.]), which is what this site purports to know.
What am I missing?
Comment by Ray | July 16th, 2007
Ron Paul has my vote AND I AM GOING TO SEND HIM A HUNDRED BUCKS. We need to put our money where our mouth is in order to get the word out!
Comment by robert | July 16th, 2007
lowell, by law you have to report your employer for any contribution above 200$
this information is then made public.
Comment by Chris | July 16th, 2007
This shows me that our troops want to come home. Let’s help them by voting for Ron Paul in the Primaries if your state has one. I have and will donate to his campaign as well as volunteer.
Comment by Alex | July 16th, 2007
>”Ron Paul is the worst candidate ever. He hates gays he hates the domocrats, he hates any non-christians.”
Dr. Paul wants to withdraw from Iraq. If he hates non-Christians, wouldn’t he want to stay and continue the slaughter?
>”Why do we want someone to divide us again.”
Dr. Paul is a uniter. By advocating true freedom and liberty, Paul allows rally around a cause that we can all agree with.
>” Another Texas Republican.”
Dr. Paul ran as the Libertarian Presidential candidate in ‘88 and is unlike many Republicans. He regularly goes against his party on votes. This earned Dr. Paul the nickname “Dr. No.’”
“This guy would let the goverment regulate everything (even sex). Do politians really need to regulate sex? I think I can run my family and do not need Ron Paul and his religion telling me how to live. A 72 old Bigot with right wing views.”
This is complete malarky. If anything Ron Paul would allow prostitution! Take a look at the recent Candidates@Google interview for the evidence. Of course, this will probably not happen in today’s world but your comment is 180 degrees out of line with what Ron Paul and like minded libertarians believe.
>”He says we do not need seperation of church and state.”
This is absolutely false.
Comment by John Galt | July 16th, 2007
Fred@24,
You seem to suffering from a lack of oxygen to your brain.
You know, it might help your situation if you pulled your head out of your ass. Just beware the “pop”.
Comment by Michael | July 16th, 2007
Fred,
are you just trying to get more people to talk about Ron in positive light, because everything you say, is the total opposite of who RP is?
some may think this is a good tactic, but it really isn’t.
just show your support and send a donation.
Michael
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Comment by Mike | July 16th, 2007
I dont like the way he wants religion in goverment and he is too far to the right. Any person who expresses dislike with so many people is not a good leader. We need someone to unite us and lead.
No more Bush, Ron Paul or Cheney.
We need a change.
Comment by Citydweller | July 16th, 2007
I am with you Mike. We do not need religion in goverment. I am for religous freedom but do not like his in your face with religion stance. Ron Paul has a horrible record on the enviroment too.
Too much state run goverment. He supports ordinaces on everything from sex to privacy.
Ron Paul is a typical Texas Republican.
No thanks.
Comment by Chief Kelly | July 16th, 2007
Your Darn right, and if the other 48% of us were not deployed we would be giving to Ron Paul too. Thats because we dont get the Ron Paul media from False (FOX) News or Commy NN …
Comment by baker41 | July 16th, 2007
This breakdown of contributors confirms what is already know, and that is that the most educated and politically savvy military people are in the Navy and Air Force, not the army or marines. But I am very glad to see that all branches of the military support Ron Paul over any of the other candidates.
Comment by scott | July 16th, 2007
Where are you mouth breathers getting this shit? He is not against seperation of church and state, he is not anti gay, and he certainly isn’t anything like Bush or Cheney.
What you people (mike, fred, and whoever else) are saying is the exact opposite of what Ron Paul stands for.
Comment by Joseph | July 16th, 2007
Who is the morons calling Dr. Paul a right winger? He said he support gay marriage in the Google interview and he believes in letting the State’s decide on abortion. He’s against the “War on Drugs,” is that a right wing position? LOL stupid neo cons
VOTE RON PAUL 2008!
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Comment by Sorry Mr. Jackson | July 16th, 2007
I’m a life-long democrat that will be voting for Ron Paul. He is the epitome of a uniter and you couldn’t be more wrong. More and more I am realizing there is something wrong with the whole system and I don’t trust Obama/Clinton/Edwards or any other politician to fix this mess. We need a true statesman. His personal values may be rural, but the entire point of his campaign his HE DOESN’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE THEM ON YOU. Let the important social issues be resolved at the local level.
Comment by scott | July 16th, 2007
jackson, link to it or shut the hell up
Comment by Satellite | July 16th, 2007
To #37[Deleted Ignorant Comment about Ron Paul], you and the other replies like yours are what scare me. I don’t know how our country will ever flourish if people like you are in the majority.
Comment by Satellite | July 16th, 2007
err…what happened to #37…now im number 37!
Comment by Sorry Mr. Jackson/Fred | July 16th, 2007
Link it. Right now. Why should I believe you when every single thing I’ve read or seen from him says the opposite?
Comment by Valerie Trotter | July 16th, 2007
After reading the reports it occurs to me that I see a lot of “support our troops” ribbon decals on cars and in windows. Yellow ribbons are abundant on trees and poles everywhere. If our troops are supporting Ron Paul with not only their money, but also their blood and lives, then the least we the american peole can do to support troops, is to put Ron Paul in the White House. If you didn’t have enough reasons before to vote for Ron Paul, this should be the ONLY one anyone really needs.
God Bless our Troops and Honor THEM by voting for Ron Paul!
Comment by Jackson | July 16th, 2007
Google two things one is his piece titled “war on religion”
the other is about gays and sodomy where he says the state does have the power to regulate sex.
Comment by Gary Gold | July 16th, 2007
I glad to see even the military has enough respect for Ron Paul to be their commander in chief.
In addition this is still The United States of America,and the last time I checked The Bill of Rights is still in effect.Ron Paul is a citizen and entitled to to his right to free speech.
Congratulations Ron.
Gary Gold
Shaker Hts.Ohio
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Comment by WIll | July 16th, 2007
I’m not so sure that this report is entirely true. The reason that I say this is that I donated money to Dr. Paul’s campaign (online). There is no question about vetran status. I am a vetran – I donated – there’s no way that the FEC knows this.
How did you come up with the vetran numbers? I didn’t find ANY of this information on the FEC website.
Comment by Paul | July 16th, 2007
People, keep the money flowing to Ron Paul!!! Ron Paul 2008!!!!!
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Comment by Sorry Mr. Jackson/Fred | July 16th, 2007
Jackson, I read both articles and even as an Agnostic and pro-gay rights citizen I feel you overreacted to them. The one on religion doesn’t say anything about any crusade to unite church and state throughout the country, merely a reaction to the political correctness of secularists concerning christmas. The one on gay rights doesn’t contradict what I know Ron Paul to stand for either. All he was saying was that if Texas doesn’t want to recognize Gay marriage it shouldn’t have to. Again, he’s not talking about any kind of crusade against gay rights. If California wants them there’s no way he’d not allow them. It’s a policy that makes a lot of sense. If you were gay would you want to live in Texas anyway?
Comment by disinfo-buster | July 16th, 2007
Mike / citydweller / Jackson are the same person.
–> Disinformation agents.
Comment by disinfo-buster | July 16th, 2007
disinfo/smear agent technique #42
“post blatantly false information to derail debate/dialogue into proving you wrong. Once proven wrong, continue with new false information. Repeat as necessary.”
just ignore them, they’re paid to do this.
Comment by Jason | July 16th, 2007
Dr. Paul is a strict Constitutionalist. If you read the article http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html you will see he is upset because the Constitution has left these types of things to the states to regulate, NOT the federal government. Enough of that – let’s talk about what is important – 1. Get out of Iraq/stay out of Iran 2. Repeal the Patriot Act 3. Stop the printing of money that we don’t have (Fed reserve). 4. Stop the federal government from stealing our money (IRS) 5. Get a full impartial investigation of all the Shenanigans that got us here – starting with 9/11. Who else is calling for this other than RP?
Comment by Robert | July 16th, 2007
You are an extremely poor judge of character, Jackson. You take a couple articles you clearly didn’t have the comprehension to fully understand and because he’s a “republican from Texas” come to some half-baked conclusion that he’s Bush II or worse. The reason your posts were deleted is because they were completely untrue and idiotic, not because they were against Ron Paul. There are decent arguments against him that I’ll listen too, but yours isn’t one of them.
Comment by Jamie Kelso | July 16th, 2007
Get busy helping patriots to win a place on the ballot for Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate of either party who has both opposed Bush’s insane war from the start AND has sought to secure our borders from the immigration invasion. If you want Mexicans to stay in Mexico, and American soldiers to stay in America with their families rather than warring for Israel and the Neocon Democrats and Republicans….get busy volunteering for the Ron Paul Revolution. You can join one of over 520 Ron Paul Meetup groups at http://www.meetup.com .
Comment by David | July 16th, 2007
Why isn’t Rudy called Giuliani? No reason for him to be labeled differently than everyone else…
Comment by JoshLowry | July 16th, 2007
Thanks for putting those numbers together EagleScout.
Jamie Kelso’s comment #52 has a link that doesn’t work. The proper link is http://RonPaul.MeetUp.com – for some reason your period got caught in the link.
Go Ron Go!
Comment by Timocracy | July 16th, 2007
It is obvious people are trying to spread mis-information. I cannot work out why, it only creates discussion and makes people look deeper into Ron Paul and boosts his popularity.
A quick visit to Wikipedia is all people need now days for a quick dose of the truth…
Save America, help Ron Paul.
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Comment by Bob | July 17th, 2007
RE: Poster #7
“Any contributions under $200 are not complied here. Presumably if these contributions were known it would widen the gap Ron Paul has received even further!”
HAHHAHA Keep dreaming. How far do you think Ron Paul can stretch that $100 “No Employer Was Supplied” donation? You guys are a sad, sad bunch celebrating worthless, phony numbers. (Here’s a clue: Obama is #3 without including “veterans” and has $11,600,000 in “no employer specified” donations while Ron Paul has only $100 and McCain has only $2,000,000). What kind of gap do you think would be left after that?)
Comment by Alfred | July 17th, 2007
NASCAR is solidly behind Giuliani…
Comment by Duane | July 17th, 2007
WOW! #17…Who pay’s you to write such utter tripe? Ron Paul is the only choice for America! If anybody else is elected, you can kiss you freedom loving @$$ and this country goodbye…or should I say adios…?
Peace!
Comment by Paul | July 17th, 2007
Hey #8… Done!
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Comment by Paul | July 17th, 2007
#53 they should use his proper gangsta name Rudy G.
Comment by Paul | July 17th, 2007
#20 did the form not ask for your employer?
Comment by JSH | July 17th, 2007
Are “No Employer Was Supplied” soft money donations?
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Comment by Tammy | July 17th, 2007
I really do not like his extreme religion and anti gay bias.
I will not vote for another texas republican that insists on dividing america. We need a leader for all the people.
Reliogion is great but not in goverment
Comment by Mike Bellman | July 17th, 2007
I didn’t know Ron Paul was preaching religion! I am Jewish and there’s nothing about what Dr. Ron Paul says which makes me think he’s a evangelizing zealot like King George the Third.
I have been married to my wife for 15 years but I support Dr. Paul’s statce that states Not the USA should define marriage. I am actually in favor of Gay Unions – Zero unwanted pregnancies, and all the legal repurcussions of divorce. Why should Gay people get off scott free? I say “MAKE THEM” get married!
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Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 17th, 2007
Clinton didn’t get anything…puulease.
Fake!
Comment by Clarence | July 17th, 2007
#67 says “Reliogion is great but not in goverment”.
He couldn’t have expressed Dr. Paul’s opinion on that any better.
Comment by Tammy | July 17th, 2007
Actually although Paul wants religion out of the federal goverment, he advocated religion to have full force at the state level. You could lose every right you thought you had. He promotes churches in prisoning people for acts in their own bedroom and says the state does not owe you the right of privacy. This is a big gamble. Trading fed for state and increasing goverment in our lives is the wrong direction.
He is too far right. I will go for Rudy. More middle of the road.
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Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 17th, 2007
There is no middle of the road.
Either you are a candidate controlled by the international banking cartel (including the Federal Reserve)…
or you are Ron Paul.
Comment by Tammy | July 17th, 2007
#74 You mean either you are controlled by evalgelicals like Ron Paul or you will vote for real change.
Comment by jibba jabba wacky | July 17th, 2007
UNITER-DIVIDER
If you’re either if you’re or; you’re just be’n will’n bitches for the DECIDER.
Son. This is fascist lengua you crazy bitches! Yo. Son.
(God, I hate you everytime I think of the bullshit I put up with in highschool, but I know it was the zombified slaves of Satan that created those fence enclosed mind-ovens. In you benificent light, please, deliver us from evil, RON PAUL ‘08! The American!)
Comment by Lendon Smith | July 17th, 2007
This make Rush Limbaugh and Sean hannity LIARS!
Dr. Ron Paul champion of the constitution!
U N S T O P P A B L E !
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Comment by Zach | July 17th, 2007
Ron Paul absolutely does not support ordinances having to do with sex or anything else. You “liberals” commenting on here need to do some homework beyond the MoveOn.org talking points. Dr. Paul is a true liberal in every sense of the word. Legalize everything, let the federal government do nothing… now we’re talking!
Social security, medicare, medicaid – does anyone really want to argue that these programs A.) work; B.) are sustainable; and C.) will not bankrupt the next generation? Wake up!
the last thing he is is an Evangelical… read, read, read… look at his voting record in the House
Paul in ‘08!
Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 17th, 2007
#75
Evangelical?
Now that’s funny. Get informed please. Thank you. I love you.
Comment by Jim | July 17th, 2007
You can see on those reports who the ‘employer’ of the donor is – but note the top of the report where the ‘no employer listed’ figures are.
If you’re crowing about Paul’s numbers here, you’re deluded, haha. Check those reports a bit closer. You’re truly grasping at straws on this one, guys.
Rudy Guiliani, contributions not attributed by employer; $2.667M
John McCain, contributions not attributed by employer; $2.207M
Ron Paul, contributions not attributed by employer; $100.
All this report shows is that Paul’s people are better at attributing money by category.
Crow on, guys. Crow on.
Hehe.
Comment by Stee | July 17th, 2007
TAMMY, CITYDWELLER,AND PAUL ARE THE SAME PERSON! PAID POLITICAL OPERATIVES SPREADING MISINFORMATION! IF you have to lie, what does that say about your candidate. You make me sick.
RON PAUL 2008!
FREEDOM IS POPULAR!
Comment by Clarence | July 17th, 2007
#70: Which Republican presidential candidate is named Clinton? Sheesh.
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Comment by Tim | July 17th, 2007
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ron Paul was leading in the national polls. The U.S. government and the media work hate the American people and they lie to and deceive the public everyday
Comment by Chad hall | July 17th, 2007
Ron Paul is America’s best hope! It will be dificult for him to get elected because the media and Diebold control the elections. We need to take back America and do what we can to get him elected.
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Comment by disinfo-buster | July 17th, 2007
Tammy
Comment by Im4Liberty | July 17th, 2007
For those confused or upset with Dr. Paul’s position on issues, feel free to jump to this link to read his policy statements (which are in American, not legalese non-answers).
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
Sure, I don’t agree with him 100% but he’s closer (by far and away closer) than any other candidate or RINO Fred T.
Comment by Dan | July 17th, 2007
Whoops! Turns out someone here forgot to look a little closer at the data!
http://alendalux.blogspot.com/2007/07/military-money-or-time-andrew-sullivan.html
Comment by Prof Chaos | July 17th, 2007
These numbers do not have any zeros behind them. In other words they are so small as to be meaningless. Speaking of “meaningless”, his mantra of freedom amd liberty mean nothing until he can speak to real life complex issues with it. Paul is enjoying his 15 mins of martyrdom. But I love him in a Ralph Nader sorta way
Comment by Fred | July 17th, 2007
Keep it up Ron Paul, I will be praying for your success, We The People desperately need a leader like yourself to run this country at this time.
Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 17th, 2007
per Andrew site…
“if we’re going to infer anything from these numbers, it’s that John McCain would beat Paul 55-23 [military donators (not donations)]. That would mean the military is still in favor of aggressively pursuing victory in the war.
But can you infer anything about the opinions of the military by these contributions? Of course not – it’s taking an opinion poll of 78 people. It means absolutely nothing.”
I wouldn’t say it is nothing. My statistical class said a small sampling can be pretty effective in establishing probability.
This may not be super-fantastic stat for RP, but it is a good stat. The media has been saying that RP is not in touch with the war…but a substantial number of soldiers are donating for RP; in fact, they are out-donating soldiers for other candidates.
So not only is there a substantial *quantity* of RP-supporting soldiers, the *quality* of donations is fantastic…perhaps, a desperate plea to get the fvck out.
Comment by Jeff Smathers | July 17th, 2007
I was listening to one of the conservative radio pundits saying that Ron Paul would not be his candidate because he (Ron Paul) doesn’t think we should be fighting in wars…..No one wants wars, but if faced with a real direct danger of an attack on our soil, I am sure he would be a real commander-in-chief and protect our nation as our constitution allows.
That is the key, what does our Constitution say?…All of our elected leaders are using it as a floor mat to make clearly un-lawful acts to meet their needs and to further the NWO agenda.
Comment by Anisha Dunne | July 17th, 2007
It matters not to me that he is Republican or a Democrat. What matters is that he is not bought or sold by any lobbyist, that he has been consistent in the reasoning of his votes and they are based on whether a bill is Constitutional or not! That his only allegiance is to our Constitution and due process of Law and nothing else! That is what INTEGRITY is! When we look in history for those statesmen for whom we have the greatest respect and love towards, it was because their hearts and conscience were gravely aligned with the brevity of their decisions. This is why I love Representative Ron Paul. He imbodies the very spirit and letter of our founding fathers’ intentions to serve and protect this Celestial Document from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! I will not only vote for this man and what he represents, but I will also go out and do what I can to support his campaign. Finally, a statesman I can truly support with my heart and my conscience!
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Comment by Enough is Enough | July 17th, 2007
Ron Paul is, in my opinion, a fraud. Do the math. He pretends he is an outsider but he has been in Washington too long. Part of his “bait and switch” platform is saying he is against the war in Iraq but being for a national sales tax. What, you ask? Well, Ron Paul wants to give the top 20% that own 95% of all the wealth in the US a total income tax break. Who do you think gets hurt the worst by a national sales tax? Everyone except the rich!! When they finish off the rest of America’s middle class with free trade (which Ron Paul is for) and temporary worker visas, we the forgotten & soon to be eliminated middle class will all be enslaved. And how do you collect that sales tax? A national ID card with the “mark of the beast?”
You can’t just buy the pretty package, you have to unwrap it and look inside to see what you’re really getting. It’s multi-dimentional.
Comment by Ben Pittam | July 17th, 2007
Vote Ron Paul and you cast a vote for a constitutional Republic. Only man for the job.
Comment by Mr Wood | July 17th, 2007
I’m one of those countless (former?) Republican’s who stayed away from the polls in 2006. If the Republican Party doesn’t decide to choose Ron Paul in 2008…I’ll be going a step further in 2008. I’ll be voting for Hillary…my God I hate her with a passion. Ron Paul is America’s LAST chance…
Comment by JERRY MCGUIRE | July 17th, 2007
I WAS HARD CORE DEMOCRAT UNTIL RON PAUL WE ARE WORKING IN CLEARWATER FLORIDA EXTRA HARD TO BE THE LARGEST SUPPORT GROUP IN AMERICA BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN RON PAUL HE IS THE BEST SINCE ROSEVELT HE DO SENT NEED THE ZIONESTS MONEY LIKE HILLARY AND RUDY HE HAS AMERICA AND HIS WORD IS SPREADING LIKE WILD FIRE SO KEEP ON SUPPORTING AMERICAS #1 CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT YOU KNOW HIS NAME RON PAUL
Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 17th, 2007
#94: We are under attack (the Federal Reserve)…and only Ron Paul is talking about it, has been fighting it, and would eliminate it if President…at great risk (Lincoln, Garrison, McFadden, Kennedy, Jackson).
#97: Check out HIS RECORD. It *IS* hard to believe, but he is the real deal. PLEASE check it out.
#99: Ron Paul isn’t our last hope, but he is a rare golden opportunity. Hmmm, with the North American Union at our throats, perhaps he is our last hope.
But Hillary? No. If RP is not a presidential candidate, everyone should take the whole election day off and buy a gun…that’ll get their attention.
BTW: The New World Order is being funded by our debt. Get out of debt…and question the income tax!
Comment by Iconoblaster | July 17th, 2007
If anything ‘unusual’ happens to silence Ron Paul… We will be left with no other recourse than that which our founding fathers took against their King George.
Comment by bob shwartt | July 17th, 2007
short and tall, big and small, ron paul fits em all. go ron-buddy!!
Comment by Phreadom | July 17th, 2007
I just posted a much expanded version of this on my blog at http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-paul-is-most-financially-military.html
Credit given in the article.
Thanks.
Comment by Sam Bugle | July 17th, 2007
I am a registered democrat.. but after hearing Ron Paul.. I am voting for him!
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Comment by Prof Chaos | July 17th, 2007
I’d be willing to vote for Paul. As soon as I figure out what he stands for.
Comment by Realist | July 17th, 2007
No more wars for Israel, Crush AIPAC (unregistered lobbyist for a foreign gov’t), CLOSE the borders, Ignore the Neocons death gasps as they post FALSE info about RON PAUL in here, bury the IRS, and SLAM the door on the (non) Federal Reserve.
REMEMBER THE U.S.S. LIBERTY!!!!!!!!
Comment by Ken Boettger | July 17th, 2007
#101.
Great idea. If Ron Paul is forced out, everyone should buy a gun! That is an awesome idea. And it would catch the attention of the politicians as well as prepare for the next step which would be justified at that point…
Motto: “Ron Paul or buy a gun! Either way we’ll get er done.”
Everyone is a soldier for true democracy. If you do not believe that, you have no business in this country. Some benefit from the freedom as long as they don’t have any risk or cost. Such people suck the system dry and have bsolutely no integrity. Life is full of risk. And the cost associated with the principles of democracy are one of them. Nothing in life is free. Not even freedom. It must be earned. Each generation must pay its dues in risk and sacrifice to uphold the rights, liberties and freedom for themselves and their neighbors.
The greatest values in life are found in the greatest challenges. We have an impressive challenge before us. The question is, will you rise or run from it?
Ron Paul or buy a gun. Either way we’ll get er done!
Ken Boettger
Ellensburg, WA
Comment by Ken | July 17th, 2007
Separation of church and state? There’s no such thing in the US. That’s from the Soviet constitution. Read it! The Supreme Court in 1879 ruled that this a Christian country in Holy Trinity Church vs. the US. Educate yourselves. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate with the guts to support the US Constitution unlike Bush who said it was “just a G–Damn piece of paper.
Comment by s35wf | July 17th, 2007
I support Ron Paul because he receives no $ from lobbyists or special interest groups. He believes in small gov’t not federal large buracracies. He voted against the iraq war, voted against Patriot Act. Would abolish the Federal Reserve & IRS. Would restore soverignty to our country. Would bring back our currency to be backed by gold/silver standards. He is also for decriminalizing pot. And has a non-intervention policy for foreign affairs. Ilike the non-intervention policy for home use also
He also is against the Real Id act.
I like RON PAUL!
Comment by Donald R Bromley | July 17th, 2007
Dr. Ron Paul is the man to lead his people to freedom, go Ron we love ya.
Comment by Rabbit | July 17th, 2007
So many MORONS keep on parrotting the same falsehoods about Ron Paul being anti-gay or mixing religion and state.
I am Australian and know these are complete lies. PAUL is the most libertarian, yet true republican candidate at the same time. It seems you fools who keep parrotting the lies, the latest being Samantha, are incapable of reading anything. Why don’t you stop babbling your patent falsehoods and actually look at the references people have given you? What makes you persist in telling things others have repeatedly told you with refernces to prove, are false?
Are you deliberately trying to cover up the truth? If so have a look and see how little effect you are having.
If I was living in the USA, I would already own some very big guns. I am surprised you all take it for granted at this point there will even BE an election in 2008. If you are certain of this, then you have not been paying attention. Especially to Bush’s most recent couple of declarations of personal power.
Comment by Rabbit | July 17th, 2007
Oh Good. I see the Samantha is now gone. Best way to deal with deliberate lies. Once a lie has been repeated more than twice in a thread I would kick all repeats of the lie off too.
Comment by Joe Sheperd | July 17th, 2007
#17 comment is likely from the same shill who spams craigslist with anti-Paul propaganda. No one with a brain could accuse Dr. Paul of those things.
Comment by Enough is Enough | July 17th, 2007
I can’t understand you Ron Paul libertarians. You think you’re free when you are in reality a captive consumer under the thumb of corporate monopoly control that Congress refuses to regulate because of the huge amounts of campaign contributions they receive. One huge water corporation, one huge energy corporation, one huge healthcare corporation, one huge oil corporation, one huge food processing corporation… that can never be voted out of power is not my idea of liberty and freedom. That’s where we’re heading when you use the argument of free markets, i.e. Libertarianism that ends up effectively justifying free monopolies. No thanks to corporate socialism.
Look at all of the private companies & contractors currently in Iraq that are government funded so that the huge, rich oil companies can steal the Iraqi oil through private sharing agreements. That’s why we’re still in Iraq.
Our constitution says of, by and for the people — no where were corporations or the rich mentioned. What we have is the best democracy that money can buy. I think that’s the biggest problem we face and it cannot be resolved with a Libertarian solution.
Comment by eaglescout | July 17th, 2007
“Look at all of the private companies & contractors currently in Iraq that are government funded so that the huge, rich oil companies can steal the Iraqi oil through private sharing agreements. That’s why we’re still in Iraq.”
Ron Paul is against government subsidies or “corporate welfare”. He wouldn’t take us to Iraq, and he wouldn’t pay contractors to go either. In a libertarian society, rich oil companies are on their own. I recommend you study libertarianism. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Comment by Guy Rugby | July 17th, 2007
My son is a serving officer and graduate of one of this country’s “Trade Schools”. He gave money and is actively
supporting Ron Paul. I am also a Viet era Vet and alumnus of the same “Trade school” my son attended. (some coincidence)
I too gave a significant contribution to Dr. Paul.
He and I are both big Ron Paul supporters. We believe that only he or a Mike Gravel type person can save this country
from becoming a imperial carcass just like the Roman Empire
years ago.. Unfortunately our politicians don’t know how to read history or understand it because we are doomed to repeat it and will be brought down from within by mercenary
armies and foreign troops in our nation while our troops are being slaughtered in foreign lands in frivolous engagements. It’s not “God bless america” anymore…
it’s “God save the USA” !!
Comment by Anisha Dunne | July 17th, 2007
Perhaps those of us who support Ron Paul because we know intrinsically why we support him, can forgive the ‘pawns’ of the mind control machine who take the time to write in here and believe they have something to add. Though I will not dare throw pearls to swine with your mentality, I, nevertheless have something to say to you.
The brevity of what is at stake right now in our country is not for the faint-hearted, the mealey-mouth, the moron, or the coward. We are witnessing a clarion call to all those souls who are waking up, and all those who have been waiting for all the others to wake up. Our hearts vibrate towards a glimpse of a blissful vision that is not here yet, but may yet come only by the ‘free will’ of those whose hearts are pure.
Perhaps you write cynically here because you lack faith in your own dreams. It is sad and a shame that you do not pursue your dreams for this amazing experiment called, ‘The United States’. You need only read the history of how this country came to be, and, if you have a pure heart, you would feel the trepidation that each early American felt as they took sides. It required conscience then, and it requires a conscience more than ever today! Think for yourself and trust only your inner guide. This is not a ‘war on terror’, no, there is a much bigger war going on in plain sight. Its always been a war for our minds in case you have not noticed it. The more you pay attention, question, and think only for yourself, you will begin to notice how the media passes ‘illusions’ off for reality. I invite you to educate yourselves. Perhaps when you are ready, you too will come of your own free will and join hearts with us!
Comment by Rabbit | July 17th, 2007
Amen to Anisha Dunne.
It is a tragedy that those who spew forth their short vitriolic disinformation, laced with self projecting ad-hominem as a rule, have become the FACE OF AMERICA. Another answer to the question which seems to mystify the America we see, “Why do they hate us?” especially when asked about why the WHOLE WORLD is in democratic agreement about hating the USA. Is to say these people, these willfully ignorant, hubris filled, empty slogan spouting hypocrites are why we hate you.
It is good and proper that these mealy mouthed mindless soulless morons cannot bear the site, sound or mention of Ron Paul. NOw ignore the cretins, and replace them wiuth an image more in keeping with the very impressive figure of Ron Paul. NO MATTER what banner he runs under, THAT man is the finest example of leadership and good decent values in an experienced politician, I have seen in my life. I ENVY the USA, the mere CHANCE to have a president of such calibre.
IF you do not get this man for your next President, assuming you even have an election to look forward to, then you, as a anation, will deserve, EXACTLY, what you then get.
God help us all, if this is so, no matter which of the two or three pre-selected, (by the real powers) candidates you get, I predict we will all soon be forgetting Bush’s regime, as having been eclipsed by an even greater evil with already provided dictatorial control..
Mostly though, for you will need it more than anyone by then, God help YOU!
………….an Australian Rabbit
Comment by Anisha Dunne | July 17th, 2007
I would like to help you understand that ‘corporate monopoly’ has nothing to do with ‘free market’. It is just that, a monopoly. Morally and ethically those running these monopolies are ‘cheaters’ of the worst kind. But even more criminal are those legislators who passed bills through congress allowing cheaters to thrive. If all or most of our representatives in congress were true to our Constitution, this could not occur. However, since the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913, the days of ‘free’ markets were over. The Federal Reserve is not ‘Federal’, but has been ‘owned’ by a private syndicate of bankers who print our money for pennies but charge the face value of each bill to us, they were to dub, taxpayers, and charge huge interest to boot. We have been the fourth generation of ‘tax slaves’. All of this is very unConstitutional, of course. I encourage you to google Aaron Russo’s film, ‘America, Freedom to Fascism’. You may begin to see how one thing leads to another, as you become, ‘educated’.
Comment by Melody | July 17th, 2007
Anisha I couldn’t have said it better myself! GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Jeff | July 17th, 2007
We have to find a way to spread Ron Paul’s message far and wide, and get him elected as Prersident in 2008. This is the best hope for saving this country.
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Comment by sky | July 17th, 2007
I love all of you in the military and hopefully Dr. Paul will bring you home soon. No one else is trying as hard as he is to make that happen for you.
We’re all proud of you, and want you safe.
Come home.
sky
Comment by Anisha Dunne | July 17th, 2007
Greetings and hats off to you, Aussie Rabbit, for your spirit and recognition! I am a Canadian who is now an American, and no matter what the outcome, I’m here to stay! I was raised with the grave story of this country and its fierce fight against British imperialism. Nothing has changed since this country’s inception except to say, the sinister imperialism part went hidden after 1789, then morphed into a much more sophisticated mind control machine at the beginning of the 20th century! The illuminati learned how to play ‘Wag the Dog’ on the innocent public. They learned about our reactions by the ‘War of the Worlds’ experiment in the 30’s and soon after that, the Nazi experiment, and on and on….
The ’seemingly’ impossible wisdom that will be required by each American to overcome such sophisticated illusions is just breathtaking in its possibilities, yet, I am very very optimistic that the outcome for wake up is here! They might be able to use their sorcery for ‘mind control’, but what ‘they’ seem to have a problem controlling is, ‘CONSCIOUSNESS’. Consciousness is forever expanding with us humans. No matter how much chemtrails they dump on us, poisons in our waters, noxious things they put in the vaccines, chemical sprays and genetically modify our foods, they cannot seem to control the ‘divine’ part of us! And thank the Supreme Being for that!
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Comment by Erik John | July 18th, 2007
This is fantastic news and if Rep. Paul can raise just 10 million his thrifty but effective campaign will absolutely give Rudy Julie, Mitt and Fred Tom a dog fight. On another note I hope Ron gets a chance to expose what’s being hidden from the public in Federal, State and Local (CAFR’s) Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports. You can learn all about it from Walter Burien at http://www.cafr1.com
Comment by republicansscareme | July 18th, 2007
I’m gald to hear that military people are supporting Ron Paul for President. It just proves that military people are as just as smart as everyone else. Maybe more so.
I’m a Democrat but like would like the chance to vote for Ron Paul. I don’t consider Paul a Republican, althought he is running under that party name. Ron himself explained that he did it for practical reasons. I accept that.
I know he is really a Libertarian, which raises its own questions. At least he’s not a Republican or establishment Democrat (Clinton, et al)
Some of Ron’s ideas seem very farfetched and bad ideas at worst. Eliminate the income tax? Is there a laugh machine in the room? Also, letting the free market take care of all our problems is very dubious idea. Blind belief in free markets has given us Presidents like Dubya and Clinton.
But I like Ron Paul for the same reason everyone else likes him: He seems like a ’straight-shooter’.
Comment by unconvinced | July 18th, 2007
poster #110
that decision was handed down in 1892, not 1879, and it in no way related to the constitutional prevention of the us govt establishing or sustaining religion, christian or otherwise.
it’s that kind of self serving interpretation of the law that is destroying this country. i am more fearful of american, right wing, evangelical, christians than i am of al quaeda. al quaeda ain’t tryin’ to usurp the authority of the us constitution with self serving interpretations fed to unthinking “faithful” voters.
Comment by Drew | July 18th, 2007
Great news!
Maybe they should do a study of veteran contributors. Count me as one vet. contributor for Ron Paul!
Comment by Anita Franklin | July 18th, 2007
Wow, there are a lot of interesting comments here. There are still quite a few posters who believe what they hear through mainstream media. Heads up guys…you are being lied to EVERYDAY.
Mainstream media is owned by corporations who don’t want Ron Paul. He is a HUGE threat to their control of the government. He can’t be bought therefore, they can’t control him.
Has mainstream media told you that Ron Paul has not taken any government paid junkets? He pays his own way where ever he goes.
And how about retirement? Bet you didn’t know that he DOES NOT participate in the government retirement plan. He will retire on the salary he made as a doctor, not as a congressman.
Ron Paul has never voted for a congressional pay raise or received one! Any additional money went to charities not into his pocket.
He has been a TX congressman for 10 terms. 10! He can’t be all that bad if his constituents keep voting him in all those years.
Care to hear another part of his campaign platform mainstream media won’t tell you? He intends to dissolve the IRS! That money goes to feed war campaigns and big government, not into our economy to assist U.S. citizens.
Imagine how much more money you would have if 30% of your income didn’t go to feed the political war machine.
As far as taxes go, Ron Paul has NEVER voted to raise taxes. He believes that we pay enough now. A flat tax would stop the massive sucking sound we hear as big government drains us of our hard earned income.
The man always has and always will defend the Constitution and YOUR individual rights and freedoms, whatever you choose.
Follow these links and read TRUTH for a change. There are many more links but, these are good for starters.
http://www.restoretherepublic.com
http://www.lonelanternsociety.com
http://www.ontheissues.org see the TRUTH on voting records for your elected officials.
Nuf Said
Comment by Ron | July 18th, 2007
I am a Canadian, so I usually just sit back and read these blogs, but today I had to comment.
I just want to say that I am so glad to see that so many Americans have woken up to the Bush Govt. It’s been a long time coming! For the past five and a half years, I personally have been very frustrated over this new Nazi-like regime forming under our very noses. I say “ours” because ALL North Americans are under the influence of the U.S.A.. ie: My fellow Canadians are fighting and dying in Afghanistan, along with your soldiers, even as I am writing this! Anyway, I could never imagine how so many Americans could be duped for so long! Thank God your waking up!
I can’t vote in your elections, but if I could, Ron Paul would be my ONLY consideration. He is what I think of as a TRUE American! He embodies all that is good and decent in a man and is the ONLY candidate with any integrity and honesty. The only real alternative to the rest of the candidates! The rest are on the ballot to let you think you actually have a choice in how your U.S. is governed. Even your Democratic party has forgotten “the people”… because I believe most politicians today are just paid-in-full clones for the coming New World Order!
As this 2008 election draws near, my only fear now is that there is not another “convenient?” 911 terrorist event, that will allow G.W.Bush to instate his plans for marshal law and his new dictatorship. Then, he can install his New World Order without any more distractions!
…in one of his speeches, I remember him jokingly saying, “It would be so much easier, if I were dictator” … most just laughed it off, but now it seems to be more prophetic than just casual joking.
I would suggest that instead of arguing who is the best choice for your next president, ALL (North) Americans should get on their knees and ask God for His help in ridding us of this corrupt and evil government. Then also pray that there really is a 2008 election, so you can actually choose a new president. Sadly, I have my doubts that America will ever see another election!
Now, even though it’s been thrown out of most organizations, I can still remember the Lords prayer, where it says, “and deliver us from evil”… Hmm, coincidence? …I think not. Maybe NOW is the time to bring back the Lord’s prayer? If not in government…at least in our own homes. NOW is the time to do it…tomorrow may be too late! I see concentration camps sitting empty right now, inside your borders…and they apparently are not for illegal aliens…so who are they for? …Resistors? …to what?
May God help us all! …
Thanks for your time… Ron
Comment by jack | July 18th, 2007
I think #17 “Paul”, and #67 “Tammy” may be the same person trying to spread the same negative comment.
Note the similar writing style and identical mis-spelling of “goverment”.
Comment by jack | July 18th, 2007
I just saw #82’s comment, adding #29 “citydweller” to the list, and I agree. Note again the writing style and the SAME mis-spelled “goverment”.
Comment by Allen T | July 18th, 2007
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between” Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like “America Deceived’ from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and end this madness.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov’t Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
Comment by mrconservative | July 18th, 2007
Ron Paul is the BEST candidate for president in either party.
Comment by Richard | July 18th, 2007
Its obvious that the main stream media is trying to bury Mr.Paul. SPEAK OUT AMERICA…This could be your last chance to get your country back.
Comment by Jerry | July 18th, 2007
Ron Paul claims to be a constitutionalist and therefore I can support no other candidate but Mr Paul. I am a registered Republican, but I cannot vote for any of the other Republican candidates. I would rather vote for Hillary and stand back and watch the fireworks! That witch will sink the NWO….
Comment by Melanie | July 18th, 2007
Ron Paul is the only true patriot running for the office of President of the United States. If he is not elected, by by USA as we know it.
Comment by Illinois Libertarian | July 18th, 2007
For the straight dope on what gets reported and what does not – check http://www.fec.gov – you’ll see that candidates and their committees are required to REQUEST the information from donors (Some say “requested” – which means a donor didn’t supply it and the committee is attempting to get it)
Contributions that ADD UP TO less than $200 per person will not show up on the FEC report – so “multiple small locations” (under $200 per year per donor) will not show you or your employer on the FEC filing.
Employers like “U.S. Army” or “USMC” would add to the numbers compiled.
As for Veterans – Not sure – but would guess that someone on a military pension (or disability) could list the branch they served as their “employer.”
Again – check this out for yourself – http://www.FEC.Gov
Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 18th, 2007
#102 “If anything ‘unusual’ happens to silence Ron Paul…We will be left with no other recourse than that which our founding fathers took against their King George.”
Amen. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. by Thomas Jefferson.
#108 “No more wars for israel…” Damn skippy.
#109 “Ron Paul or buy a gun! Either way, we’ll get er done.” Hell yes.
#119 “The brevity of what is at stake right now in our country is not for the faint-hearted, the mealey-mouth, the moron, or the coward. We are witnessing a clarion call to all those souls who are waking up, and all those who have been waiting for all the others to wake up.”
Pure poetry…a clarion call.
Comment by Herb McKirgan | July 18th, 2007
Go Ron Paul – AMERICA’s HERO! Grow a garden, buy a gun, get young voters attention to how important they are (or how dead they will be in bush’s war efforts), become involved, stand up & tell the truth, learn the Constitution, and vote FOR America – vote Ron Paul!
Comment by Ron | July 18th, 2007
http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer160.html
Comment by Ron | July 18th, 2007
Ron Paul is changing Democratic minds… http://www.rense.com/general77/ronn.htm
Comment by George Andonyan | July 18th, 2007
Ron Paul is a wack-job and so are his supporters. This guy has about as much of a chance as hell does in freezing over. George
Comment by Mr Wood | July 18th, 2007
#101 “#99: Ron Paul isn’t our last hope, but he is a rare golden opportunity. Hmmm, with the North American Union at our throats, perhaps he is our last hope. But Hillary? No. If RP is not a presidential candidate, everyone should take the whole election day off and buy a gun…that’ll get their attention.”
Take a trip through the midwest, through the northwest or even the northern-most parts of the south. Talk with people along the way. You might be surprised to find about 1 in 6 people throughout are ALREADY refugees. People are fleeing California, Texas and other areas at drastic levels. The largest refugee plight in human history is happening to the southwestern part of the good ‘ol USA…right now…right here. The dismemberment of the USA isn’t theory or some strange conspiracy theory, again, it’s occurring RIGHT NOW. And you haven’t seen anything yet, go south on I-35 from Dallas/Fort Worth and witness the construction of the genocide highway, 8 football fields in length to integrate the Mexican population into the USA. It’s being build…right now.
Myself? I was a real estate investor/landlord, I have a university degree…but I live in a 6′x6′ pop-up tent until I can get re-established. It’s little different than watching refugee plights overseas or in black-and-white film, but it’s ignored. I shouldn’t have to move 100’s of miles away to relocate BACK INTO THE USA! I never moved but Mexico came to me.
For those with wisdom listen carefully, there will not be a USA if the Republican Party doesn’t choose Ron Paul in 2008. If Republicans want another neo-con, reject Ron Paul, abandon freedom…and select Gulliani, McCain or some other neo-con. Then I’ll give them what they want and vote for Hillary after the primary. Ron Paul IS indeed America’s LAST hope…
Comment by Joe Spenner | July 18th, 2007
HILARY? Think! “Commander in Greif of U.S. Military.” Mercy!
RUDY? — Should type: “Slant Drilling,” in search box.
Others should spend election at either “Bohemia Grove,” or with Bush Tribe at “Skull & Bones,” leaving the best winner,
Those who contribute BIG MONEY, who also want BIG HARVESTS.
“RON PAUL, IS BEST OF ALL!” Ron, really is best of all!
Joe Spenner
Comment by Jim Evans | July 18th, 2007
Some of this great support for Ron Paul renews my faith in
a few of the people of this country. I just hope we can
generate enough support to get him in the “White”House. We
also need to clean out the other branches of government.I
have bought my guns.
Comment by Wendy Campbell | July 18th, 2007
Ron Paul is OUR MAN for President of the USA!
Comment by YAHG | July 19th, 2007
I do not believe our freedom should require a majority, or honest government.
I will vote for Ron Paul, but even if elected the state will rise again unless we destroy it.
When one man takes the output of another man’s labor and then decides what to give back to the first man, the first man is a SLAVE.
ALL taxes are slavery. You have a right to personal sovereignty.
Buy your guns whatever happens, remember that congress will still be full of apologists to power. They can impeach him and we all know the media has the power to convict innocents.
Vote Ron Paul, buy more than one gun, and remember no one has a right to your property.
That and go spell check!
Comment by Enough is Enough | July 19th, 2007
You Ron Paul loyalists amaze me. If Ron Paul was the noble man that you would have us believe he is, at this point in time in our country he would be leading the brigade for the legal and lawful constitutional removal of corporate pupit Bush from the office of president. God knows the majority of the Americans are ready for that. However, Ron Paul has more important things to do, like promoting free trade, a national sales tax, no national health care, no national social security system…. Translation: the top 20% that own 95% of all the wealth in this country would love that.
They would finally have the last remaining tools to take all of the wealth away from us and permanently enslave everyone else. I think you people are either incredibly naive or some of you may actually be covert cynical pawns of the establishment. Only God knows the truth. Let’s legally impeach the monsters in the White House and take a deep breath and sort all of this out before we start picking out real representatives of the people for 2008.
PS: I can’t stand any of the mainstream, corporate Republicans or Democrats currently running for president, especially Hillary Clinton!
Comment by George Andonyan | July 19th, 2007
Dr. Paul is my hero who’s not selling a charlatan candidate but spreading the message of a movement.
I did not make the following comment #146. . .
“Ron Paul is a wack-job and so are his supporters. This guy has about as much of a chance as hell does in freezing over. George
Comment by George Andonyan | July 18, 2007″
Prank by my buddy Robert “Bobby” Garcia about what he thinks about a “splinter” candidate. Anyone having the talent, patience, and some good material to deal with a deluded GOP’er (Bush-supporter) can wake him up at garciar@cooley.edu
Comment by ray a cogo | July 19th, 2007
Congressman Ron Paul and the Permanent Revolution.
Congressman Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party. He has been repeatedly “elected” to office by the Republican and “independent” voters of his District in Texas. Presently Ron Paul is “running” for the presidency. He is backed by many organizations that consider themselves the Voice of American Patriotism., the Saving the Republic Community.
How many of these “Republican” voters, party members, and his many “Patriotic-Pals and Patrons” know the Republican Party is a member party of the International Democrat Union (www.idu.org). When one reads the propaganda at the IDU web cite the individual will come to understand the IDU determines all policies and campaign strategies for all the member parties to include the Republican Party USA.
The Congressman, to say the least, does not fit the stereotype of any of the several different types of IDU-Republican presidential candidates. This reality becomes quite clear when an individual comes to understand Ron Paul is the only “presidential candidate” from either the Third Way-Democrat or IDU-Republican “front-runners” that openly recognizes the existence and reality of the Permanent Revolution.
Congressman Ron Paul possesses another quite noteworthy distinction. His candidacy has filled the political void/vacuum created by Patrick Buchanan’s retirement from the “Third Party Politics” of the Saving the Republic Community located on the Right Extreme of the False Political Spectrum . Ron Paul now has the privilege to lead millions of well meaning Americans astray with false hopes and catchy words of sophistry…through the use of the many Fabian-controlled Perestroika Type-II Conspiracy Theory groups.
Ron Paul’s presidential bid will be as “successful” as Buchanan’s. This “success” will be traced to one very important campaign tactic…it is the “I really don”t want to win” syndrome. Despite “all truth” being on my side…I will not use any of these truths to provide and promote a candidacy resulting in the occupation of the White House.
Please understand, American Counter-Revolution is not invoking the political concept “Ron Paul can’t win” or any other Third Party candidate for that matter. It is the position of the American Counter-Revolution Dr. Ron Paul has no intentions of winning.
To further clarify the position of the American Counter-Revolution concerning the Congressman’s candidacy…it is the belief of American Counter-Revolution the first presidential candidate that makes exposing the reality of the Permanent Revolution his or her central campaign plank…that brave and Patriotic individual can win the presidential election in 2008 or 2012.
Ron Paul could be president. He truly understands the Permanent Revolution is real. Yet in all the public-premature Republican primary debates He has participated in…He not once mentioned the Permanent Revolution.
If the Congressman is not willing to play his most important trump card exposing all of his opponents as Agents of the Permanent Revolution in front of a “national audience”…can we expect him to be able to do what is necessary to win? If he hasn’t placed the issue of the Permanent Revolution on the table of public-premature-presidential debate can we trust him to override IDU Republican Party control…should by some chance he wins in the primaries?
Will the Ron Paul campaign be able to separate Democrat and Republican Followers from the Fabian controlled Elite of the One Party Perestroika Vote Fraud Mechanism?
By exposing the Permanent Revolution Dr. Ron Paul could separate the Followers from the Fabian Elite simply by informing the American Republic The Fabian controlled Permanent Revolution operates through two international Socialist organizations…The Third Way and the International Democrat Union.
Dr. Ron Paul could point out the simple facts that the Democrat Party is controlled by the Third Way (through the Democratic Leadership Council) and the Republican Party is a member party of the International Democrat Union…both organizations are Fabian creations.
Will Ron Paul be able to Politically Fuse all of the many Followers of the alternative Perestroika-political groupings (controlling the Political Refugee Class) that exist outside of the One Party Vote Fraud Mechanism? This may prove to be a most difficult task when one considers the vast majority of alternative political groupings are all (one way shape or form) Perestroikas set-up and operated by the various Fabian Elites. In this situation the Congressman must again be able to separate the Followers from the Fabian controlled Elites…this will take real political courage…the courage necessary to be President.
Now for another important question concerning Ron Paul’’s candidacy. If the Congressman loses the Republican primary in 2008 will he seek the presidency as an independent?
If Ron Paul can answer “yes” to all of the above questions…Ron Paul can win. If He answers “no” to any of the above questions…Ron Paul does not intend to win…and we can really call him Dr. NO.
One last important question to ask about the Ron Paul candidacy. Are the followers of Ron Paul ready to acknowledge and then expose the Permanent Revolution? After all, Ron Paul is an Elite leader of the Saving the Republic Community…and a member of the IDU-Republican Party.
This Republic needs an independent and strong willed person to repeat to all of this Nation and the entire World:
THE PATH OF PERMANENT REVOLUTION…
…IS NOT THE PATH OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION!
Ron Paul already understands this…or so he says. Only time will tell.
Toto
Comment by Gere Stokoe | July 20th, 2007
GOP TRYING TO PRETEND THAT RON PAUL DOES NOT EXIST
The NRSC (National Republican Senatorial Committee) has mailed (snail mail) a Presidential Preference Poll out. Ron Paul is not included.
This poll includes Gilmore (dropped out), Fred Thompson (hasn’t announced), Newt Gingrich (hasn’t announced), Chuck Hagel (hasn’t announced), John McCain (less money on hand than Ron Paul), Brownback, Tommy Thompson, and Duncan Hunter (these last 3 combined have raised less than Dr. Paul).
KerryVsBush, BushVSGore, BushVsClinton, FordVSCarter. ALL were CFR,TRILATERTAL, BILDERBERGERS. All their cabinets filled with CFR,TRILAT and Bilderbergers. Same this election if Top Tier Candidates get the nominations again. Watch the owned & sold out Main Stream press try to manipulate the voters: You must vote for the lesser of two evils, No one else can win. Don’t throw your vote away. Same BS decade after decade. Wake up America! Search Ron Paul for the answers to fascist globalism.
Comment by dietoglobalisationandimmigration | July 20th, 2007
I’M NOT AMERICAN BUT I HAVE UNDERSTAND THAT WHO RULES AMERICA TODAY HATES AMERICANS AND KEEP PUSHING FOR THE TERRIBLE CRIMES OF MASSIVE IMMIGRATION AND GLOBALISATION ALL OVER THE WORLD IN AN ATTEMPT TO DESTROY THE IDENTITY OF AMERICA AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD.
RON PAUL IS THE ONLY REAL OPPONENT TO THESE CRIMES,THE NEXT AMERICAN ELECTION WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IN HISTORY AND IT WILL DECIDE IF THE WORLD WILL RETURN TO FREEDOM OR IF WILL SINK IN A TRAGIC DICTATORSHIP.
GLOBALISATION AND IMMIGRATION ARE THE WEAPONS THE CARTEL IS USING TO CONQUER THE WORLD,THESE CRIMES MUST BE STOPPED NOW!
Comment by fephisto | July 20th, 2007
I’m pretty sure #17 is a satire.
Comment by Doug | July 20th, 2007
After reading some peoples comments about Ron Paul, I am left wondering which garbage can they are getting their information from. Those who say Ron Paul wants to dictate how they should live their lives and he promotes hate, truly have no idea who Ron Paul is and what he stands for. Get your facts straight before spewing your hate views, or keep your piehole shut.
Comment by Give me liberty or... | July 20th, 2007
# 72 Tammy is it? Oh my GOD! Rudy is more middle of the road?, well if you consider the ditch the middle your right on track. If defending the principles enshrined in the Constitution is too far right then I must be in the opposite ditch. Ron Paul has more integrity in his pinky finger nail tip than any other candidate on either side of the fence combined. We all must know the serious danger this country is in and it needs to be fixed, voting the same type of lying political figure would be insanity. Voting the lesser of two evils, is still evil.
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The Fabulous “Liberty” Under Neo-Con Siege, Part 1….
The Fabulous “Liberty” Under Neo-Con Siege, Part 1.
[From: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patrickjbuchanan/2007/07/20/how_empires_end?page=full&comments=true
(Townhall comments on a Pat Buchanan column, “How Empires End.”)]
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Comment by brettrix | July 23rd, 2007
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Wake up Americans !!! before there isn’t anything worth waking up for.
Ron Paul is the truth and it is making some people very uncomfortable
Help Ron Paul’s campaign by going to his website and volunteering to call Iowans – we need to win that Straw Poll in early august
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Ron Paul is our best hope for freedom, prosperity and self-determination. Please support his candidacy in any way possible.
Comment by Joe | July 24th, 2007
The best chance at getting our man into office? SPREAD THE WORD! He may not have the money, but he’s got the loyal, dedicated following willing to do the dirty work for him! That can’t be bought with money!
Comment by Steve | July 24th, 2007
It’s sad the media isn’t taking Ron Paul seriously. That just shows you how screwed up this country is.
Maybe some people are right, there is no hope. It’s hard to believe the status-que has that much power.
I pray that’s not the case.
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Comment by Amy Proctor | August 3rd, 2007
The military does NOT love Ron Paul. Why do I suspect you people are not active duty or a family member??
I’m sorry, I’m trying to figure out what the hell you’re talking about. Did the owner of this blog concoct these stats? The Finance Reports show, for example:
ARMY 100.00 Ron Paul
ARMY AIR FORCE EXCHANGE SERVICE 225.00 John McCain
How that makes Ron Paul the frontrunner I just don’t get.
First of all, what is “Army”? The United States Army? Employees of the U.S. Army include federal workers and contracted workers.. neither are soldiers. $100.00 is probably from one federal worker. Hell, John McCain got more of a donation from the AAFES! That’s the equivalent of a military JC Penny on post.
My hubsand is active duty Army and an OIF vet. I’m a federal contractor working on post. I am paid with non-appropriated funds. We are surrounded by every rank imaginable and we know of no one who can stand Ron Paul but admire all the other Republican candidates. And give to them. To say an employee of the Army, again, whatever the hell that means, gave $100 to Ron Paul is hardly noteworthy.
You even noted in your entry that: “These statistics include the contributions of employees who recorded or indicated their military branch. Contributions where no employer was specified were naturally not included.” We give to Republican candidates the year of the election and don’t list our employer when we do so. These figures are skewed and bad reporting.
The evidence will be in the primaries, or before. Republicans by about 70% support the war in Iraq. If Ron Paul were the frontrunner I’d say you might be right with these stats, but the opposite is true.
As a military wife for 14 years I can tell you your point is nonsense. The military does NOT support Ron Paul. Period. No one takes him seriously and we all understand how flawed his thinking is on Iraq. Dangerously flawed. McCain is the frontrunner because of the war on terror and we support that.
Comment by eaglescout | August 3rd, 2007
Even FOX News has eventually confirmed our data: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs .
Comment by Anisha Dunne | August 4th, 2007
For those out there, who, for whatever reason, never got the ’second greatest story ever told’, I make this offering to you.
So profoundly breathtaking were the collective minds and hearts of those beautiful souls who risked all to give birth to those very words that made up our three precious documents. So careful and deliberate were they in their intentions.
Nothing short of ‘high’ consciousness would have been capable of projecting a ‘dream’ so precious and so unique in the world of their time and ours today. Each would have earned their wisdom living in that crucible of ‘old world’ imperialism fraught with its hideous treacheries of the individual; Religion, Imperial Kingship, and Bondage!
It would have been required from these men, such intense desire and high consciousness in order to imagine all the possible evils that thrive in the minds of those who desire nothing more than absolute power and control of people and resources.
These early Americans knew this all too well. It was, and still remains to this very day, ‘the human condition’. It only differs in the sophistication of their mass ‘mind control’ techniques, their technologies, known and ‘unknown’ to all of us, and of course, their ‘paid’ agents properly placed, who may or may not be ‘manchurian candidates!
Our Founding Fathers’ focus upon this desire for freedom of the ‘individual’, the guarantee of free market exchange, without undue interference being based on the gold standard. That property rights and laws to protect the republic and the individual from tyranny whether foreign or domestic, were the true ‘American Dream’ (and yes, it meant white men, they didn’t get to that level yet).
These ‘manifestos’; our Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, would become the very templates to make manifest a declaration of sovereignty from its previous ‘controllers’.
Why do you suppose they claimed this new nation to be a ‘Christian’ nation if they were so wary of the evils of religion? Do you think they were defining ‘Christian’ in terms of how we associate modern ‘right-wing’ Christianity? Hell no!
When they declared our nation Christian, the whole modus operandi of these ‘templates’ were a powerful act of ’spiritual architecture’ to engineer a system that could make manifest the very ‘teachings’ of Jesus, thereby increasing the probability of people ‘living’ these teachings for the benefit of all of us.
These templates were designed to ’shift’ the paradigm to create a new crucible where men would become their own kings! They knew this would attract only the very best from out in the world, but also the very worst. Let the chips fall where they may. ‘Nothing worth having is ever easy’ and shouldn’t be! These brave and honorable men were the first and truest ‘Libertarians’, delighting in carrying on the ’spirit’ of that so amazingly brave one, Jesus himself!
Can you imagine the outrage of the ‘controllers’ to such an affront? Those ‘parasites’ who enjoy and rely on a ’slavery’ system for their existence? They ‘despise’ these teachings of Jesus. They can be nothing short of Satanic! What do you imagine they would do? These very ones decked out in their finest silk embroidered jackets and powdered wigs with smirks on their faces as if to say, “Well, we’ll let you think you’ve won for now, but in time, you will all be our slaves one way or another!” Hence, the Federal Reserve!
These early visionary Americans also knew that the installation of these templates were no guarantee that this ‘dream’ republic would last into the future UNLESS the ‘flame of desire’ for freedom from tyranny in all its infinite possibilities, could be properly ignited upon each person from one generation to the next!
Hence, public education in a one room school house! The finest and most refined education in the world! These school rooms were nothing short of ‘temples’ where each child would be blessed with their ‘inherited’ flame, and carry it in their own hearts during their entire lives.
Hence, the solemn importance of ‘being an American’, is to honor that flame!
Talk about fragility of faith and trust! Whoa! Imagine these dark controllers seeking every which way to undermine such a ‘fragility’! There would be enormous opportunities for generations to come for these controllers.
Instead of a ‘flame’, these ones received ‘the smirk’. The ’smirk’ would always be a reminder to them of their mission on earth.
Today. We witness unenlightened people(thanks to the dumbing down of American education), mindlessly waving our national flag and professing to be ‘patriots’, while those dark agents in power, greedily expunge the very laws and rights that ‘define’ being an American! Imagine that!
Oh, and while they take a sledgehammer to ‘being an American’, ‘the decider’ with the swagger and the slurred speach, arrogantly declaring to the media with his inherited ’smirk’, “…Its just a goddamn piece of paper!” (You know which one I’m talking about).
If Dr. Ron Paul, a Libertarian candidate for president, takes a stand like that of our Founding Fathers, and basically, also what Jesus did with the Pharisees and other controllers, what will each of us do to ensure his success?
Where will each of us stand in all this as Push is now coming to shove!
Those would-be ‘controllers’ of our spiritual wills under the auspices of ‘the church’, did not have carved in great morbid detail, the torture of Jesus upon the cross for ‘artistic’ decoration purposes now, did they? Oh no.
This incredibly powerful image would be absorbed into our subconscious programming in such a brilliant way as to say, “Do you see what happened to that man who claimed to live such wondrous teachings? Well, if you think you will follow in his footprints, then, his fate will most certainly be yours too!
Try to prove this was NOT their intentions!
No wonder those around the world are incredulous with us!
They, the world spectators, more than anyone else, wish to see us Americans re-claim the legacy we inherited. We owe it not just to ourselves and our progeny, but to the whole world!
And so I say in memoriam and tribute to those beautiful souls whose legacy has barely made it through the last century and is all but forgotten today, Namaste! Thank you for these precious gifts!
May each of us Americans in these very auspicious times, be conscious and worthy of such a gift! Even if it means risking all property and life, like our Founding Fathers did. Indeed, like Jesus did for the Truth!
Oh yes, and uh, thank God for the internet!
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Comment by Ron Yarnall | August 6th, 2007
There are men who choose to acknowledge and respect, and to sometimes even love, their creator — who is most commonly called “God.” For such men, God is the ONLY “government” they will ever need or want. They obey HIM! It is enough!
For the rest of humanity, for the rest of “you,” for the rest of “us,” without “other” government “they” [or "we"] would quickly self-destruct. Can any adult disagree? For any and all who refuse both guidance and control by the creator, who is God, governance and control by [other] agencies is necessary. For this purpose, the governments are invented. There are “religious” and “secular” varieties in various times and various places but the purpose of all is the same: to preserve the species; but to “substitute” for God!
My current perception is that Ron Paul is the only declared candidate for U.S. President who understands such precepts.
The “designers” of the founding documents and functioning elements of the United States of America clearly understood these precepts. For proof, read their essays and letters!
Folks who neglect (or refuse) to be controlled by God must be and will be controlled by other men.
Upon careful investigation, you will discover that many of those other men are themselves being guided and controlled (most probably beyond their understanding and knowledge and most certainly against their will) by “other” spirits; that is, by a spirit or by spirits that are not God.
Those “other” spirits, who are not creator or creators, have chosen to refuse to respect and serve THE creator. They hate him; but he controls them! Those rebel spirits, throughout this present age, are permitted to rule over rebellious men; a most practical and workable system! It has been so since the first generation of humans. Every devout materialist, which includes many of our elected and self-appointed leaders, men (and a few women) who deem “spirit” as nothing more than a “creature of fiction,” does not [and can not] understand these precepts. By closing his (or her) mind even to the possibility of a creator, they close their mind to the reception and retention of truth [ref: Romans 1:22-32].
…submitted with my compliments to Anisha Dunne (#170)
Comment by Arishmary | August 8th, 2007
O H M Y G O D!!!
Comment by kellann | August 9th, 2007
Some people who commented are SERIOUSLY misinformed about Ron Paul. OF COURSE he wants separation of church and state! He’d have it no other way! He’s not anti-gay…he’s simply said that we get our rights as individuals not because we’re a “group” or a “minority”. If you want to know where Ron Paul stands on the issues…read the constitution. You know..that document weve been destroying for the last 6 years?
Comment by ray a cogo | August 10th, 2007
Ron Paul and the Permanent Revolution
Part II
There is one major stumbling-block to a successful “Ron Paul for President” campaign. This obstacle is most obvious.
There is no unity whatsoever in the Saving The Republic Community, Right Extreme from the False Political Spectrum. The Saving the Republic Community is severely divided by literally thousands of Type-II Conspiracy theories. Please view the “Political Model” provided by the American Counter-Revolution. The Saving the Republic Community occupies the lower, bottom Right of the diagram.
Ron Paul, despite being the Libertarian Party 1988 presidential candidate, is the “leading” presidential candidate for the Saving the Republic Community. But…there exists an already established and “organized” Saving the Republic Community party…the Constitution Party.
YES! Ron Paul won the televised IDU-Republican-Presidential-Candidates-”Debates.” So what!
Ron Paul, member of the IDU-Republican Party, needs to be able to harvest every vote that exists in the hands of the Saving the Republic Community…in order “to win.” The Constitution Party stands in his way. Why?
The Constitution Party is the only Right Wing (on the False Political Spectrum) “Third-Party”alternative political party to survive the 2004 “elections.” The Constitution Party is a party in complete disarray over one issue that has “split” the party…abortion…thus reducing the “electoral-influence” of the party. With the issue of abortion aside….there is not much difference in Ron Paul’s campaign and the Constitution Party’s political position.
Simply stated: the existence of the Constitution Party and the Ron Paul presidential campaigns automatically “splits the vote” of the Political Refugees (the Followers of the Elite of the Saving the Republic Community). Both the Ron Paul and the Constitution Party political positions are based on some similar form of a Type-II Conspiracy Theory. A Constitution Party candidate will siphon off the much needed Ron Paul votes in 2008…should the Constitution Party come up with a “viable candidate”…such as Pastor Chuck Baldwin.
This situation will create a conundrum for the Right Wing of the False Political Spectrum. Who is the true voice of the Saving the Republic Community? Presently the Constitution Party, despite the growing wave of support for Ron Paul in the Saving the Republic Community, remains “neutral” in its support of the last “Great White-Hope.”
This reality is easily visualized in a two part essay published by http://www.newswithviews.com on July 7, 2007 written by Mary Starrett, Communications Director for the Constitution Party, “Dr. No, The Three Musketeers and the Seven Dwarfs.”
Mary Starrett’s opening sentence (paragraph) makes a most valid observation,
“There’s reluctance among conservatives to see the ideological flaws of the current crop of president-wannabes but unless we’re willing to line up each one of the 11 Republican contenders and strip off his 3 piece posturing to look deep into his political past, we’ll simply be fooling ourselves (again) when it comes to supporting a candidate for president.”
American Counter-Revolution totally agrees, unless we look deep into a candidate’s political past “We’ll simply be fooling ourselves (again)”. And when one is “looking” into the political past of a candidate…this retrospection should also include the reality and existence of the Permanent Revolution.
Mary Starrett then reinforces her opening statement with the following accurate observation about the Saving the Republic Community,
“Much like a woman who wants to get married so badly she ignores those “deal-making flaws…We just don’t want to face the truth…” (Emphasis added)
Again, American Counter-Revolution agrees…Patriots don’t want to face the truth…the Saving the Republic Community refuse to recognize the reality of the Permanent Revolution. This observation becomes quite clear in Part 2, page 5 of “Dr. No…”(as printed from http://www.newswithviews.com),
“Ron Paul: The Congressman from Texas is quite simply, ‘the best they’ve got’.”
This simple “declarative-sentence” speaks many volumes. Please read this sentence several times. What can we learn from this simple sentence?
Mary Starrett views Ron Paul as a Republican…not an IDU-Republican controlled by the Fabian Society. This “political reality is OK.” Ron Paul (as well as his ‘Patriotic-Pals’) does not openly recognize he is a Fabian-IDU-Republican.
If Mary Starrett was aware of the Permanent Revolution, She should/would have made “an issue” of Ron Paul’s affiliation with the Fabian’s controlled IDU-Republican Party…thus giving “Her Party” a propaganda edge as a “Third Party” competing for Saving the Republic Community votes…but she did not!
Mary Starrett is not unaware of the dilemma presented by the Ron Paul IDU-Republican presidential bid,
“The dilemma we have is that we cannot sit around and wait to see what the Republicans are going to do but build an ark that true Constitutionalists can find refuge on when it dawns on them that the Republicans and Democrat parties will let them drown.”
American Counter-Revolution agrees. Please admit “the waters around you have grown.” But please understand..the Constitution Party is definitely not the “ark that true Constitutionalists” will be seeking with the failure of the Ron Paul IDU-Republican Party presidential bid. The Constitution Party does not recognize the reality of the Permanent Revolution.
The Constitution Party does not recognize the reality of the existence of a unified American/British Capitalism (directed by Fabian ideology) seeking to establish a unified Capitalism. Remember…International Socialism is completely impossible without an International Capitalism as the sole means of production for Planet Earth.
The final impact of the Constitution Party will be important…but barely noticed. The Constitution Party will only “split the vote” of the Saving the Republic voter. Thus…resulting in another Fabian victory “at the polls.”
-Toto
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Comment by Roy, Pensacola FL | August 15th, 2007
Why is the main stream media is blocking or boycotting Ron Paul. I am a life long Republican. I am also an Iraqi War veteran and disabled veteran. Is this America or a conspiracy state. He is the only candidate. The rest are all the same. I can’t tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans any more. I beg you please help Ron Paul save our great Republic. To me my friends and family he is our only and best hope. For our children for our future, we must have a tomorrow . The country cannot go on as is. I beseech you to more robustly cover this great American. Restorer of the Republic and possibly the last defender of the Constitution.
Sincerely,
RFD
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RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!
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Comment by Nick | September 8th, 2007
Does anyone really look at the stats, and read the * exceptions?? or just regurgigate whatever the title of the website tells you???
Maybe you all didnt notice, but all miltary personnel donated a paltry $25k to Ron Paul, and $17.5k to Giuliani. Do you all really think thats all the military people donated?? Oh, yeah, you all forgot to read this little tidbit.
“*Note: These statistics include the contributions of employees who recorded or indicated their military branch. Contributions where no employer was specified were naturally not included.”
So this study is obviously flawed, and totally inaccurate. How are they recording the donations from military personnel who didnt state they were from a branch?? Talk abou the spin, no wonder this website is called TheSpinfactor. LOL. You’re all a bunch of sheeple. Romney or Giuliani will get the Republican nod.
Comment by Mick Russom | September 12th, 2007
RON PAUL 2008
This may be the last revolution that doesnt require a Gun.
Washington needs a doctor not a politician.
Legalize the constitution, vote Ron Paul.
Think for yourself, question authority!
Vote against the authoritarian totalitarian regimes of the Democrats and Republicans. This is AMERICAAAAA, kick those criminal
beltway thugs down the well.
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record
* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.
Learn more about Ron: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
Comment by TestName | September 22nd, 2007
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Comment by Eagleye | September 28th, 2007
BEFORE CABLE & FOX; All we had was liberal ABC NBC & CBS for decades. Now we have CNN added to the CFR “Left”. A huge portion of Americans were absolutely tired and disgusted with liberal slanted “news”. That is why FOX was/is so popular. I hope TRUE Conservatives, are waking to the fact that Murdock’s Fox, and its highly paid MOUTHS are the “right” Fascist/NEOCON arm of the Banker’s CFR/Bilderberg. Only Ron Paul is dedicated to reversing their globalist/NWO agenda.
Comment by Eagleye | September 28th, 2007
UNDERSTAND; both parties are complicit in war mongering. They covered up; Waco, OKC, Ruby Ridge, USS Liberty attack etc. Both complicit in subjugation to Federal Reserve. Two rotten parties sharing the spoils by maintaining the fraud that voters are given a real choice. Fascism or socialism; no Constitutionalism, no Populism, or true liberty allowed by their NWO controllers.
Mike Gravel is the only dedicated ANTI-CFR Democrat
Ron Paul is the only dedicated ANTI-CFR Republican
Comment by Eagleye | September 28th, 2007
NO TO Rocky’s CFR/TC/Bilderberger AGENDA
**Only Ron Paul & Mike Gravel are ANTI-CFR
Rudy Giuliani – CFR (R)
Fred Thompson – CFR (R)
Mitt Romney – CFR (R)
John McCain – CFR (R)
Newt Gingrich – CFR (R)
Hillary Clinton – CFR (D)
Barack Obama – CFR (D)
Christopher Dodd – CFR (D)
Bill Richardson – CFR (D)
Rockefeller CFR candidates and incumbents in both parties must be exposed and ousted. They are destroying our Constitution. YTsearch: David Rockefeller Fears Ron Paul
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Comment by Jim Hillhouse | December 1st, 2007
Has anyone scrubbed these numbers independently? I’m looking at the FEC Q2, Detailed Summary, 17 (a) numbers, which are for individual donors, that for Paul and McCain are:
Paul $2,364,238
McCain $11,166,632
and using the %’s given here result in:
Paul (49.5%) $1,170,298
McCain (34.6%) $3,863,655
for total Military donations.
Given these %’s, McCain, Romney, and Giuliani have military donations orders of magnitude larger than Paul. Where are these numbers coming from?
Comment by Freddy | December 1st, 2007
Good fact-check, Jim Hillhouse. Once again, the Ron Paul supporters show that facts are not important when you have blind faith.
Is Ron Paul a religion?
Comment by Sand | December 1st, 2007
Jim, you are completely misinterpreting the information. The percentages come from the percentage of total military donations, by which Ron Paul leads all candidates.
Freddy, don’t play dumb. Your intellectual dishonesty is sickening.
Comment by Freddy | December 2nd, 2007
Hey, Sand. Funny seeing you pop up here, after the way you fled from “Ron Paul to emerge as “folk hero of this election”.
http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/08/28/tucker-ron-paul-to-emerge-as-folk-hero-of-this-election/
Not only did Sand FLEE the discussion there when the facts came in, but he whined that I did not answer his questions ONE DAY AFTER HE ASKED! LOL!
Sand “Freddy, I’m surprised you didn’t comment on what I wrote.”
Well Sand, it’s been OVER TWO WEEKS that you have FAILED to answer the facts there. That’s a lot longer than one day. How do you justify your apparent hypocrisy?
Wouldn’t that count as “intellectual dishonesty”?
Or is that just plain old fashioned dishonesty?
(Note- I posted a similar response in a similar forum. Just in case you conveniently forget to notice one.)
Finish up what you fled from over at “folk hero” and I’ll be glad to tackle these fishy numbers of yours.
Meanwhile, any Democrat in the race will both end the war AND protect our abortion rights. So-called libertarian Ron Paul can not say the same.
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Comment by Freddy | December 2nd, 2007
Great job with that pingpack.
1) It fails answer ANY of the questions in this thread.
2) It fails to add any useful information.
3) It fails as actual English.
Meanwhile, any Democrat in the race will both end the war AND protect our abortion rights. Same can’t be said of flip-flopper and weekend libertarian Ron Paul.
Comment by Navy Gunner | December 3rd, 2007
The Mainstream Media is doing everything they can to stop Ron Paul… I think the GOP believes we are all a myth, they cannot believe the numbers that Ron Paul is generating, he is getting money and poll support from the real America… The Taxpayer who has to pay the bill that the Congress and The Pres ring up. We need real change, Ron Paul is that change. Why is the GOP selling it’s soul to special interest??? I am in the military, and I am here to tell you there are many servicemen and women fed up with this war. If we are going to fight, let Congress declare war on a country, not a tactic. We are going so far in debt, no one seems to care. Ron Paul is spot on with every issue, the Press can get no dirt on this candidate, his integrity is solid. The Navy Gunner says… Elect Ron Paul 2008.
Comment by Sand | December 3rd, 2007
Freddy, I didn’t see your response, then. Either way, you are exaggerating the nature of our exchange, and the ping back has nothing to do with me. It is automatically created when someone links to this page.
As for your assertions about the war, it might interest you to find out that none of the three main Democratic candidates intend to leave before 2013. Yes, Ron Paul opposes abortion and I disagree with it, but I’m not a single-issue voter.
Comment by Freddy | December 3rd, 2007
Congratulations, Navy Gunner, on winning the Ron Paul Spambot of the Week.
Navy Gunner FAILS to answer any of the questions raised that call into question the entire premise. Navy Gunner fails to contribute much of anything to the discussion at hand. Except this gem:
Navy Gunner: “Why is the GOP selling it’s soul to special interest???”
Uh, you think that’s a new thing? Have you been asleep since Eisenhower warned us about the takeover by the Military-Industrial complex? Have you failed to notice that the Republicans have been a wholly-owned subsidiary of beltway contractors\Big Oil\Big Pharma\Etc. at least since Nixon?
Despite their rhetoric, Republicans have been anti-libertarian. The only liberties they have cared about are the liberties of big business. And Ron Paul is more of the same. Ron Paul has proven that he will sacrifice our civil liberties like abortion rights at the federal level.
Meanwhile, any Democrat in the race will both end the war AND protect our abortion rights.
Comment by Freddy | December 3rd, 2007
Sand tiptoes back into the debate with this mea culpa:
Sand “Freddy, I didn’t see your response, then.”
LOL! And the Bush administration didn’t know that “Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the US” meant that the US had a warning of an attack in the US. Riiiiight!
1) Even if we accept Sand’s less-than believable excuse, now Sand HAS seen response #104 over in the misnamed “folk hero” thread. So where is your response?
Sand attempts to save face: “Either way, you are exaggerating the nature of our exchange”
2) How am I exaggerating anything? Be specific.
Sand then throws up a straw man/false defense of himself:
Sand “the ping back has nothing to do with me.”
3) When did I say the ping back had anything to do with you?
Sand “As for your assertions about the war, it might interest you to find out that none of the three main Democratic candidates intend to leave before 2013.”
4) Prove it.
Sand, I have already corrected you on this. Here’s the response I wrote over in “folk hero.” If you had bothered to respond over the last 2-3 weeks, we wouldn’t be having this discussion here.
5) In the debate where that 2013 question was asked, Clinton said “it is my goal to have all troops out by the end of my first term” with only a protective and anti-Al Qaeda residual force left. Obama’s plan calls for All Combat Troops Redeployed from Iraq by 2009. Combat troops out with only a protective force left is the position of most Democrats, so it is NOT a betrayal of the party. Now that you have the facts, do you now support Pro-Choice Clinton or Obama or Edwards over anti-abortion Ron Paul?”
Sand: “Yes, Ron Paul opposes abortion and I disagree with it, but I’m not a single-issue voter.”
The “single issue” here is character. Whether Ron Paul has integrity. He does not. Whether Ron Paul is honest or not. He is not. Whether Ron Paul can be trusted to do as he say.
Based on his actions, Ron Paul CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
The issue is whether Ron Paul will be true to libertarian principles or sell out the worst elements of the Republican Party. Ron Paul sells out.
The answer is that Ron Paul Ron Paul violated his libertarian principles and betrayed his word to leave it to the states by voting for FEDERAL BIG GOVERNMENT RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTION.
Ron Paul is a moral failure who panders to the religious right.
Any Democrat in the race will end the war AND protect our abortion rights. Ron Paul cannot say the same. Ron Paul fails.
Comment by Goody | December 3rd, 2007
Ron Paul, a man who in his 1988 Libertarian bid for president said he would do away with the FBI and CIA, abolish the public schools, eliminate Social Security and all farm subsides, and withdraw from NATO. He also voted against resolutions calling on the governmeent of Vietnam to release political prisoners, and on the Arab League to help stop the killing in Darfur.
According to one of his supporters, this is a man with integrity? WOW!
The Ron Paul Revolution, Motto: “Ron Paul or buy a gun. Either way we’ll get er done!” Just imagine one of these kooks in an office.
Comment by Freddy | December 3rd, 2007
That’s some amazing stuff, Goody. I didn’t know all that. Do you have some links? That’s even nuttier than I had known.
Ron Paul is a false savior for Republicans who have turned against the war. This is a time like 1992, when it’s time for intelligent Republicans and libertarians to turn to the Democrats.
Comment by Sand | December 3rd, 2007
Well, Freddy, I didn’t “FLEE” the discussion; that’s your mischaracterization of the exchange. I merely overlooked your response because you have a tendency to post walls of irrelevant text.
Regarding the ping-back, you replied as if you thought it was intended to answer your “questions” in this thread, and since you have engaged in direct conversation only with me, it appeared you were inappropriately addressing me.
Regarding (4) Look at the transcripts from the most recent Democratic debates. http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11680
On (5) “Combat troops out with only a protective force left is the position of most Democrats, so it is NOT a betrayal of the party. Now that you have the facts, do you now support Pro-Choice Clinton or Obama or Edwards over anti-abortion Ron Paul?”
No, it gets more complicated than that. As you can see in the article I cited, leaving Iraq ASAP (though very important) is the small picture. The big picture is our foreign policy. Hillary and Obama don’t seem very averse to attacking Iran, and they are not in a hurry to leave Iraq.
Criticizing Ron Paul’s character based on that is a little odd given he is the most consistent member of congress, and the most consistent candidate running for president.
Comment by Freddy | December 5th, 2007
Sand defends the way he disappeared right after the FACTS came in:
Sand “Well, Freddy, I didn’t “FLEE” the discussion; that’s your mischaracterization of the exchange.”
6) Then how would you characterize it? This board is littered with Ron Paul supporters who all fled after I used actual facts to counter their ignorance of Ron Paul, the Constitution, and reality in general. How did your three-week disappearance look any different from the way they all slinked away?
7) How else can you explain the way you abruptly vanished after being so intensely over- involved in the discussion that you actually complained about not getting a response the day after you posted?
Sand tries to get us to believe: “ I merely overlooked your response because you have a tendency to post walls of irrelevant text.”
9) “walls of text?” So there was so much text that you couldn’t actually see it? Explain how that works.
Sand “Regarding the ping-back, you replied as if you thought it was intended to answer your “questions” in this thread,”
10) “As if?” So you are already admitting that is pure speculation on your part. In fact you are once again wrong. I replied that it failed to answer ANY issues here INCLUDING MINE, thus making it an irrelevant post. Also, it is fun to point out the irrelevance of these content-free self-congratulatory Ron Paul posts. Why is it that so many pro-Ron Paul posts are irrelevant spam? Could it be because Ron Paul fans are such a tiny percent that they overcompensate for their Napoleon complex by being over-involved and spamming posts regardless of content or meaning?
Sand: “since you have engaged in direct conversation only with me, it appeared you were inappropriately addressing me.”
11)Look up, Sand. You’ll see I engaged in direct conversation with more than you– Jim Hillhouse, Navy Gunner, Goody. And that’s just on this page- to say nothing of the rest of this board. And I engaged in direct conversation with Jim Hillhouse before you even posted on this page. So you have been caught in an untruth. Are you IGNORANT of plain facts or did you chose to LIE?
12) Sand: “Regarding (4) Look at the transcripts from the most recent Democratic debates. http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11680”
13) So what? One anti-war blog is your response?
14) So what it a tiny minority of anti-war left are unhappy with the mainstream Democratic candidates? Big deal. The vast majority of Democrats are very happy with the majority candidates’ thoughtful approaches to ending the Iraq war. Or else Kucinich would have more than low single digits.
The FACT IS SAND IS WRONG ABOUT HIS 2013 CANARD. Sand, when you actually have the intellectual firepower to actually debate the FACTS I presented about your distortions of the positions of Clinton and Obama, I’ll be waiting. Where are your actual answers to the actual FACTS I presented about Clinton and Obama’s positions?
I said “Combat troops out with only a protective force left is the position of most Democrats, so it is NOT a betrayal of the party. Now that you have the facts, do you now support Pro-Choice Clinton or Obama or Edwards over anti-abortion Ron Paul?”
Sand replied: “No, it gets more complicated than that. As you can see in the article I cited, leaving Iraq ASAP (though very important) is the small picture. The big picture is our foreign policy. Hillary and Obama don’t seem very averse to attacking Iran, and they are not in a hurry to leave Iraq.”
15) You cannot brush aside facts by saying “it’s more complicated” and switching to Iraq. The firm support among the vast majority of Democrats for the Iraq position of Clinton, Obama, and Edwards cannot be swept away. It is factually true. How does your attempt to change the subject change that FACT?
16) On Iran, Clinton, Obama and Edwards are also with the majority of Democrats. (And the majority of Americans). Do not rule out military action if it is truly justified by an imminent threat, but do not rush to war without any real threat like Bush and the Republicans did. What is your problem with that rational position?
Sand “Criticizing Ron Paul’s character based on that is a little odd given he is the most consistent member of congress, and the most consistent candidate running for president.”
17) Prove it.
18) “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds” -Emerson. Fortunately, the misrule of the Bush administration has ended most Americans’ foolish belief in the sanctity of consistency for consistencies sake. There is a lot of room between Bush-style inflexible consistency and Ron Paul’s utter hypocrisy.
Bush was also the most “consistent” candidate running. Consistently incurious, consistently convinced of his own infallibility, consistently unable to learn from being wrong, and consistently wrong. So you are proud of Ron Paul’s similar consistency?
Comment by Sand | December 5th, 2007
I can safely ignore 6 through 9 since you are arguing petty semantics.
(10) Yes, I admitted speculation on my part regarding you motive. Why do you feel a need to be combative about it?
Regarding content-free posts, I agree. People ought to comment on the article.
(11) See 10
(12-14) Yes. An anti-war website should suffice if the reasoning is valid.
Hillary and Obama routinely try to have it both ways. They vote for the war, they claim they want to leave, and then they discuss attacking Iran, then they vote to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ‘terrorists’. Then they talk about redeploying as if it meant anything other than continued presence in the area. In the end, they have the same foreign policy as George Bush. They just happen to be in the wrong party.
15) First, I don’t know what facts you keep referring to, since you have hardly stated any, nor provided citations to said facts. Second, Iraq is part of the war on terror, foreign policy, and a major reason I’m voting for Ron Paul; and furthermore since your question was whether I would now vote for Hillary or Obama based on your “facts” (which facts?), it is entirely appropriate to explain exactly why I won’t vote for Hillary or Obama.
Nice job with your straw-man non-sequitur.
(16) I believe that, too. But Democrats were expecting a quick withdrawal from Iraq, and they are not likely to get it based on the top Democrats’ rhetoric.
(17) Look at his record. He nearly always votes against federal funding; everyone else flip-flops or takes money from special interests.
(18) Bush’s “consistency” is related to the characteristics that make him a terrible president. Ron Paul’s consistency relates to positive aspects such as nearly flawless voting records and transparency of government.
You seem like a very angry and cynical person. You keep looking for “dirt” but instead you make baseless accusations and attacking my character. Instead of exaggerating or fabricating minor flaws in Ron Paul, why don’t you tell me why your candidates are so great? Or at least try to respond more civilly.
Comment by Freddy | December 11th, 2007
Sand continues to tell UNTRUTHS about the Democratic candidates. Warning: FACTS below:
Sand: ” Instead of exaggerating or fabricating minor flaws in Ron Paul, why don’t you tell me why your candidates are so great?”
First of all, I TOLD SAND MANY TIMES why the Democratic candidates are “so great.” Here it is again:
a) All Democratic candidates will end Bush’s failed war. OK, Ron Paul will, too. BUT-
b) All Democratic candidates will preserve and protect our privacy rights. Ron Paul FAILS, since Ron Paul LIED about leaving abortion laws to the states. AND-
Ron Paul betrayed his pledge by voting for the iron fist of government intervention into our private reproductive decisions. AND-
Ron Paul sponsors MORE Federal laws that will impact abortion rights.
(As I recall, Sand STILL has not explained his full opinion on abortion rights, even after being asked directly elsewhere. Right?)
c) All Democratic candidates will reform the US spy agencies, restore the hunt for Bin Laden in Afghanistan and elsewhere, improve the public schools, and mend Social Security. They will NOT ELIMINATE ALL THOSE IMPORTANT THINGS.
20) What’s Ron Paul’s position on those issues?
Sand: “I can safely ignore 6 through 9 since you are arguing petty semantics.”
LOL: Sand says that questions challenging him to back up his assertions with actual FACTS is “petty semantics.”
Sand “(10) “Yes, I admitted speculation on my part regarding you motive.”
20) You admitted it only AFTER I CAUGHT YOU AT IT. But you still have admitted you were WRONG about the other things I have CAUGHT YOU AT. Like when you said “since you have engaged in direct conversation only with me…” But you were WRONG, since I had engaged in direct conversation with more than YOU. Do you FINALLY admit that you were wrong?
Sand “Why do you feel a need to be combative about it?”
21) LOL! That’s pretty funny considering that your FIRST POST TO ME ON THIS PAGE SAID “Freddy, don’t play dumb. Your intellectual dishonesty is sickening.” LOL! Is that not “combative?”
22) Could this be another example of Sand’s psychological projection- projecting onto me labels that more accurately apply to SAND?
Sand “(12-14) Yes. An anti-war website should suffice if the reasoning is valid.”
First, the “reasoning” on your PRO-ISOLATIONIST website is NOT valid, as I have already pointed out. It is full of half-truths and smears and personal attacks. Further, do you realize that the line above utterly FAILS to answer the question? For your convenience, I’ll repost:
23) So what if a tiny minority of the anti-war left are unhappy with the mainstream Democratic candidates? Big deal. The vast majority of Democrats are very happy with the majority candidates’ thoughtful approaches to ending the Iraq war. Right?
Or else Kucinich would have more than low single digits. Right?
Sand: “Hillary and Obama routinely try to have it both ways. They vote for the war, they claim they want to leave,”
24) Obama did NOT vote for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. So Obama did NOT vote for the war. Are you misinformed? Or playing semantics?
Sand: “ and then they discuss attacking Iran,”
25) So what? Even Ron Paul has “discussed” attacking Iran. Since when is “discussing” something you oppose under most circumstances the same as “trying to have it both ways”? Clinton and Obama’s “discussions” about attacking Iran say that they don’t take the option off the table if necessary to defend this country. Does Ron Paul say he won’t attack Iran to defend the US?
Sand “then they vote to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ‘terrorists’”
26) Sand, Obama did NOT “vote to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ‘terrorists’” You FAIL again. Prove Obama voted to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ‘terrorists’ or admit your are WRONG!
Sand “ Then they talk about redeploying as if it meant anything other than continued presence in the area.”
27) There you go again with your “as if.” You have already had to admit on this page that your “as if” is PURE SPECULATION and NOT FACT. Right?
28) And it is PURE SPECULATION ON YOUR PART HERE TOO. Right?
29) In fact, Clinton and Obama and Edwards have all be clear that redeploy means combat troops out of Iraq in the first term with only a residual force for things like embassy protection. What’s Ron Paul’s plan for embassy protection?
Sand “In the end, they have the same foreign policy as George Bush.”
30) Unbelievably wrong. Bush’s policy is staying in Iraq with no end. Clinton and Obama and Edwards have all pledged to end the war and bring the troops home. Again, the vast majority of Democrats are very happy with the majority candidates’ thoughtful approaches to ending the Iraq war. Or else Kucinich would have more than low single digits. RIGHT?
Sand: “15) First, I don’t know what facts you keep referring to”
31) Did you actually read what you are responding to? I said “The firm support among the vast majority of Democrats for the Iraq position of Clinton, Obama, and Edwards cannot be swept away. It is factually true.” You tried to say that it was a betrayal of the Democratic party for Clinton, Obama, and Edwards to not take Russert’s “all troops” pledge. It is not, because the majority of Democrats HAVE THE SAME POSITION ON IRAQ AS CLINTON, OBAMA, AND EDWARDS. Democrats support having a residual force for things like embassy protection as long as most troops are out and we are no longer patrolling a civil war. Do you now understand at least that one FACT?
Sand “(16) I believe that, too. But Democrats were expecting a quick withdrawal from Iraq, and they are not likely to get it based on the top Democrats’ rhetoric.”
32) Wrong again. The “rhetoric” of the top Democratic candidates is ending the war in their first term. Tell us Ron Paul’s plan for getting out of Iraq. What are the details? Are there any? How many troops by when? How much military equipment gets left behind? What about protection of humanitarian workers? How about embassy protection? And so on…
Sand “(17) Look at his record. He nearly always votes against federal funding; everyone else flip-flops or takes money from special interests.”
33) Ron Paul flip-flops by piously voting against earmarks, but then takes GOBS of money in earmarks. If it turns out that Ron Paul has flip-flopped by taking money from lobbyists, what will you do?
Sand “You seem like a very angry and cynical person.”
34) There you go again with your SPECULATION and lack of facts. Could it be that Sand is psychologically projecting again?
35) Cynical: “distrusting or disparaging the motives of others.” Which “angry and cynical” person said these:
“ …Your intellectual dishonesty is sickening.”
“…dumb”
“…I hate”
“…you are more interested in partisan hackery”
“…Are you done being idiotically combative?”
Any Democrat is better that Ron Paul at ending the war AND preserving abortion rights.
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That’s some amazing stuff, Goody. I didn’t know all that. Do you have some links? That’s even nuttier than I had known.
Ron Paul is a false savior for Republicans who have turned against the war. This is a time like 1992, when it’s time for intelligent Republicans and libertarians to turn to the Democrats.
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“Comment by baker41 | July 16th, 2007
This breakdown of contributors confirms what is already know, and that is that the most educated and politically savvy military people are in the Navy and Air Force, not the army or marines. But I am very glad to see that all branches of the military support Ron Paul over any of the other candidates.”
You, my friend, need an ass-kicking – the Marines are the smallest DoD branch and therefore obviously contribute less. As for the Army, well, we’ve always had our doubts about them…
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