Comments on: Worst Ron Paul Ad Ever http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/ Atomizing the truth (An academic journal). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:12:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Reanna Lojek http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-496115 Reanna Lojek Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:20:28 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-496115 sorry every other way I was able to post above URL was rejected. Can somebody repost this nicely. sorry every other way I was able to post above URL was rejected. Can somebody repost this nicely.

]]> By: Jim http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1717 Jim Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:45:44 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1717 It's a terrible ad in implying that individuals are chattels of a state. Student visas are often used as a vehicle for political dissidents or would-be dissidents to escape a dictatorship overseas. That happened over and over again during the Cold War. Many of the people today involved in building democracy there after local communist regimes were overthrown by spontaneous revolution (not at our taxpayer expense) are people who had studied in the US on student visas a couple decades ago. It’s a terrible ad in implying that individuals are chattels of a state. Student visas are often used as a vehicle for political dissidents or would-be dissidents to escape a dictatorship overseas. That happened over and over again during the Cold War. Many of the people today involved in building democracy there after local communist regimes were overthrown by spontaneous revolution (not at our taxpayer expense) are people who had studied in the US on student visas a couple decades ago.

]]> By: eaglescout http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1715 eaglescout Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:49:16 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1715 Well, I supported Ron Paul because I thought he was beyond using ignorant language and dishonest scare tactics. This is the sort of language and propaganda you hear from Giuliani and Tancredo. Not Ron Paul. Well, I supported Ron Paul because I thought he was beyond using ignorant language and dishonest scare tactics.

This is the sort of language and propaganda you hear from Giuliani and Tancredo. Not Ron Paul.

]]> By: Jeffrey Bubb http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1714 Jeffrey Bubb Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:24:47 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1714 OK, so you have a problem with the term "terrorist nation". I suspect the Paul campaign used that term so that the idea of securing the borders could be better understood by the general public. If you don't use "terrorist nations", then you'd have to use language such as "Nations that harbor terrorist" (which, in the end, is a terrorist nation), or "Nations where terrorist originate from", or "Nations that don't fight against terrorist". As you might think, getting the idea across suddenly becomes more complicated. I think Ron Paul still believes in free trade, friends with all nations. But I also think he understands that certain nations are breeding grounds for terrorist and he has to do SOMETHING to protect our borders. The language in the ad is clear. I think you have to look past the actual words being used and instead focus on the endgame philosophy. OK, so you have a problem with the term “terrorist nation”. I suspect the Paul campaign used that term so that the idea of securing the borders could be better understood by the general public. If you don’t use “terrorist nations”, then you’d have to use language such as “Nations that harbor terrorist” (which, in the end, is a terrorist nation), or “Nations where terrorist originate from”, or “Nations that don’t fight against terrorist”. As you might think, getting the idea across suddenly becomes more complicated.
I think Ron Paul still believes in free trade, friends with all nations. But I also think he understands that certain nations are breeding grounds for terrorist and he has to do SOMETHING to protect our borders.
The language in the ad is clear. I think you have to look past the actual words being used and instead focus on the endgame philosophy.

]]> By: Ron Paul’s Contradiction » The Truth @ The Spin Factor http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1713 Ron Paul’s Contradiction » The Truth @ The Spin Factor Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:57 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1713 [...] « Previous | [...] [...] « Previous | [...]

]]> By: eaglescout http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1708 eaglescout Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:17:10 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1708 "What’s your problem? The fact that he said something that isn’t “nice”? The ad hits the spot of what his border policy is: Get control over it! There’s noting “bad” about this ad." It's inconsistent with Ron Paul's rhetoric. The problem isn't in denying visas. It is in calling a nation a "terrorist nation". Like I mentioned before, it's the same propaganda used to justify the war on terror. Therefore, I do not approve of it. “What’s your problem? The fact that he said something that isn’t “nice”? The ad hits the spot of what his border policy is: Get control over it! There’s noting “bad” about this ad.”

It’s inconsistent with Ron Paul’s rhetoric. The problem isn’t in denying visas. It is in calling a nation a “terrorist nation”. Like I mentioned before, it’s the same propaganda used to justify the war on terror. Therefore, I do not approve of it.

]]> By: Making Sense http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1705 Making Sense Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:34:03 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1705 What we love most about Ron is that he has the guts to say what needs to be said, and that he has the intellectual capacity to make sense. Not allowing visas to people from nations that support terrorists makes sense. Bush's policy of letting more Arabs, Syrians and Iranians come in on student visas right after 9-11 decidedly does NOT Make sense. What's your problem? The fact that he said something that isn't "nice"? The ad hits the spot of what his border policy is: Get control over it! There's noting "bad" about this ad. What we love most about Ron is that he has the guts to say what needs to be said, and that he has the intellectual capacity to make sense. Not allowing visas to people from nations that support terrorists makes sense. Bush’s policy of letting more Arabs, Syrians and Iranians come in on student visas right after 9-11 decidedly does NOT Make sense.

What’s your problem? The fact that he said something that isn’t “nice”? The ad hits the spot of what his border policy is: Get control over it! There’s noting “bad” about this ad.

]]> By: T. rex http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1703 T. rex Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:08:37 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1703 Looks great to me. also we are in difficult times with alot of countries. I think his plan is great and gives us time to work out our problems with other countries and to show others that we are still viable in their plans. Looks great to me. also we are in difficult times with alot of countries. I think his plan is great and gives us time to work out our problems with other countries and to show others that we are still viable in their plans.

]]> By: rhys http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1702 rhys Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:03:00 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1702 * Cuba * Iran * Iraq * Libya * North Korea * Sudan * Syria These are terrorist nations as defined by Congress, but even denying student visas will not mean that the US couldn’t accept other types of visas or political refugees. Paul is not a flip-flopper, but he knows how to hit the emotion buttons. He didn't stay in Congress for 20 years by playing nice. This is what I paid for. This is a shrewd move to gain support, and I think it is just right. * Cuba
* Iran
* Iraq
* Libya
* North Korea
* Sudan
* Syria

These are terrorist nations as defined by Congress, but even denying student visas will not mean that the US couldn’t accept other types of visas or political refugees.

Paul is not a flip-flopper, but he knows how to hit the emotion buttons. He didn’t stay in Congress for 20 years by playing nice. This is what I paid for. This is a shrewd move to gain support, and I think it is just right.

]]> By: eaglescout http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1701 eaglescout Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:09:04 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1701 If by "terrorist nations" he means the United States and Israel, then I might be willing to play along in his satire. If by “terrorist nations” he means the United States and Israel, then I might be willing to play along in his satire.

]]> By: James Babb http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1700 James Babb Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:49:43 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1700 Which are the "terrorist nations" ? What happened to "honest friendship with all nations" ? Free trade? Which are the “terrorist nations” ? What happened to “honest friendship with all nations” ? Free trade?

]]> By: PAtravler57 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1698 PAtravler57 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:48:43 +0000 http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/12/30/worst-ron-paul-ad-ever/#comment-1698 I think it is a good ad and will play well to those that think this is the #1 issue I think it is a good ad and will play well to those that think this is the #1 issue

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