DubLi, another complex scam
Last updated: 9/29/09.
Special update: The Xpress auction numbers are extremely suspicious. According to the numbers, people are passing up the opportunity to buy $200 Mastercards at the price of even $100, and are eventually sold for $78 or less. This is highly unrealistic. (Courtesy of beavis the conqueror).
Who runs Dubli?
DubLi’s server is hosted in Germany and the domain name is registered to an address in Denmark. They operate in the United States as a shell corporation, or “mailbox” company with a mailbox in Delaware, where they are registered as an LLC.
The current CEO and founder, Michael Hansen, marketed ACN in Denmark and managed firms that bankrupted during his involvement.
Santi Fuentes, Carlos Oestby, were at one point heavily involved in DubLi (as management/staff). They are no longer there as of very recently.
Santi Fuentes started Evolution Market Group, also known as FinanzasForex. The Spanish Government issued a warning through the CNMV (National Securities Market Commission). France, Austria, Sweden and others did as well. (AMF Warning about FinanzasForex). Then Santi Fuentes took down the page and promised FinanzasForex was “in the process of regularizing with the CNMV”, which the CNMV denied.
Carlos Oestby, from Norway is linked to UbiFone, 1CellNet, (tried as a pyramid scheme in Australia).
The U.S. Country Manager (Dean Mannheimmer) used to work for TNI or Tahitian Noni International. These are the same scam artists that asked you to reduce your doctor-prescribed medications and drink overpriced juice.
Troy Dooly and Xray kindly pointed out Jonathan Gulla is DubLi’s “North American Director of Training”.
Here’s Gulla’s track record:
PDI Clinical Labs - Mail and Wire Fraud, 2001
Capital Credit - Fake Credit cards, 1999-2000
In 1999, Gulla sells Lancer International (Nevada) to StarTronix International (Delaware) in exchange for $50,000 cash and $673,000 in stock. Becomes COO of STNX.
(StarTronix was targeted by law enforcement during Operation Missed Fortune for being a pyramid scheme in 1996).
Some numbers
Statistics available from the DubLi site indicate that as of last November (2008) there were only 57 DubLi promoters, based on the distribution of prizes that were awarded at that point. Since then, multiple people, including our readers, have observed that the only auction worth investing in is the express auction, and coincidentally, DubLi is mathematically bound to take a loss if the price is not reduced by 25%, or set to 133% of market value.
There is absolutely no way to know what the results of the lotteries actually are. They could be rigged by the operator, and according to the shady disclaimer, they reserve the right to ban you off, even if you have remaining gambling credits.
The plurality of prices were won by DubLi distributors (so-called business associates) who at some point frequented this site.
The primary reason for this is that DubLi promoters are required to buy credits that are bundled with advertising packages (licenses to sell more licenses). It’s a case of eating your own dog-food.
The difference is you have to pay a yearly fee to advertise for DubLi.
Statistically, DubLi can earn you ~90 dollars out of your 3000 dollar investment.
Not a pyramid scheme?
Apologist sites (subcontracted by DubLi) claim DubLi sells advertising to Kelkoo and therefore it is not a pyramid scheme; The U.S. DubLi site, offers no such advertising and the European counterpart receives a fraction of that traffic by comparison.
More interestingly, the DubLi Network site (for promoters) receives half of the traffic of the standard DubLi. This strongly suggests that for every visit to dublinetwork.com, there are two visits to dubli.com. In other words: for every visit made by a promoter, there are two visits made by a “potential customer”, who might well also be a promoter or existing customer. Best case scenario: one customer for every distributor. Worst case scenario: “bidding” requires twice as much traffic (or more) as viewing earnings on the dublinetwork, so distributors are eating their own dog-food. Based on earlier analyses, the worst case scenario is much more likely.
Other:
Spammed all over the place
They are advertised by 24-7pressrelease.com, free-press-release.com, and 1888PressRelease.com. Take a look at the list of all the scams they advertise (6,000 articles of pure spam). The distributors are engaged in a deceptive marketing campaign.
Recognized as a scam elsewhere in the world, Can’t trade on the money market
Dubli doesn’t trade on the stock market, nor is it able to do so, as a Spanish blogger points out in DubLi, the alleged competition to eBay.
Dubli’s Bad Marketing
Dubli claims to be a reverse auction. A regular auction happens when many buyers compete for an item (so they bid up). A reverse auction occurs when many sellers compete to sell an item (so they bid down to lower prices).
In Dubli, no sellers compete to lower a price (to bid down), instead, the buyers compete to lower a price by paying. So DubLi has nothing to do with reverse auctions.
But, lottery and gambling are better descriptions for two of the “auctions” on DubLi.
Lottery
In game 2 your chances of winning an item depend on how many times you pay to click a button (the more, the better) to view the price of an item. It also depends on how many players have bought the right to click the button.
Gambling
Game 3 is equivalent to spread-betting.
The other two deceptive “reverse auctions”.
Technically, neither PayPal nor any U.S. Bank is allowed wire funds to DubLi, due to laws on gambling. That’s very unfortunate because any money you invest in DubLi cannot be efficiently tracked by the U.S. Federal Government.
According to California law, it is illegal to operate unlicensed gambling facilities. Whether DubLi can legally circumvent this by hosting their material in Germany is an interesting question.
Apparently DubLi’s underlying software is worth 482 US dollars.
We recommend the following articles regarding DubLi:
DubLi’s business model and revenue
Comment by Michelle Schwartz | September 27th, 2008
I would like to know who wrote this article. It sure sounds like a very negative, disgruntled individual. Perhaps a distributor, previous employee of Dubli. I have a hard time believing this article. Please give me something that has validity to it.
Otherwise, know that you are just manifesting more negativity in your life by posting and exasburating your own frustrations! Remember….you become what you think..you are creating exactly what you are getting in life!
Here’s to manifesting some positive miracles in your life filled with lightness, happiness & joy!
With appreciation & gratitude!
Wishing you a life full of abundance, clarity & joy!
Comment by jane doe | September 28th, 2008
Its very interesting to me that this person is so negitive towards Dubli when in fact I personally have contacts in Germany who are customers of Dubli and are very pleased with what Dubli has to offer. I agree that this person must have been a distributor or previous employee of Dubli. Maybe a employee of eBay bashing Dubli scared of losing customers. Why wouldnt people want to get their favorite items for much less. I think its great that there is so much talk about Dubli, lets talk more. Lets get the brand Dubli out there.
Comment by eaglescout | September 28th, 2008
To Michelle Schwartz:
“I would like to know who wrote this article.”
It doesn’t matter who wrote the article; as long as it is factual.
“It sure sounds like a very negative, disgruntled individual. Perhaps a distributor, previous employee of Dubli.”
Why does it matter if it sounds negative? Should I be positive about scams like DubLi?
“I have a hard time believing this article.”
Why? Didn’t you study math in school? Did look up Santi Fuentes? Did you look up the warnings posted by the SEC and various other countries?
“Please give me something that has validity to it.”
Read the article; study the references.
Why don’t you explain what part is invalid? Otherwise there is no point in having this “conversation”.
“Otherwise, know that you are just manifesting more negativity in your life by posting and exasburating your own frustrations!”
“manifesting more negativity”?
Sorry, but I don’t buy into “the Secret”, or James Ray, or fake psychology.
Can you be more specific? What’s wrong with being negative about something evil?
Do you manifest positivity when you think about people being scammed? If so, you may be a bad person.
“Remember….you become what you think..you are creating exactly what you are getting in life!”
What does this have to do with the article? And like I said, I don’t believe in fake psychology. “The Secret” is another scam. Apparently you bought into it as well.
“Here’s to manifesting some positive miracles in your life filled with lightness, happiness & joy!”
No, thank you. I’m happier when I’m not surrounded by liars.
“With appreciation & gratitude!
Wishing you a life full of abundance, clarity & joy!”
Not interested. I’d rather hear what is so great about DubLi.
But apparently you are not interested in making a case.
Comment by eaglescout | September 28th, 2008
To Jane Doe:
“Its very interesting to me that this person is so negitive towards Dubli when in fact I personally have contacts in Germany who are customers of Dubli and are very pleased with what Dubli has to offer.”
What are their names? Why are they happy with Dubli? What does Dubli have to offer?
“I agree that this person must have been a distributor or previous employee of Dubli. Maybe a employee of eBay bashing Dubli scared of losing customers.”
Again, what does this have to do with the article? I don’t care about eBay. And I don’t think eBay is going to lose customers to a scam. Instead of talking about me, why don’t you talk about Dubli? That’s what the article is about.
“Why wouldnt people want to get their favorite items for much less.”
If you read the article you’ll find out why. You’ll end up paying over 1000%, because every transaction is set up to be deceptive.
Dubli is NOT an auction site. It’s a lottery. Pay attention!
“I think its great that there is so much talk about Dubli, lets talk more. Lets get the brand Dubli out there.”
Well, the only one talking about Dubli is me. Apparently you are not interested in discussing Dubli.
Comment by t.proia | October 1st, 2008
HOW COME MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DELETED?!!! (now i will continue to repost this every time it gets deleted! so LETS PLAY THAT GAME! >:)
my old post:
“there is always going to be someone bagging on another company on some site, if you want the real faq’s along with free dubli credits to see how legit DUBLI REALLY IS than email me at t.proia@gmail.com
I KNOW WHY! CAUSE DUBLI ISNT A SCAM AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LOSE BUSINESS TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET THE FAQ’s!
http://www.dubli411.blogspot.com !
Comment by jude | October 2nd, 2008
eaglescout makes points with specifics, numbers rather than judgements- helpful. not being much at math (nor totally understanding the 3 retail tools), i don’t get the totals, but get your drift.
t’would be good to hear particulars from significant numbers of those europeans who’ve already been working with dubli for a year or two. anyone?
i haven’t found anything in the european independent press on dubli - strange; that would be of value.
thanks for the truth from all quarters.
Comment by eaglescout | October 2nd, 2008
To t.proia,
Your comments were deleted because your post does not address the topic; instead you are sending people to a misleading site linked to your dubli affiliate store.
If you are interested in discussing specific issues raised in the article, you are more than welcome to do so. Spam won’t be tolerated.
Comment by eaglescout | October 2nd, 2008
Jude, if you need anything clarified, you can email me privately (click on “iSpin Report Now!”). I will be writing another article and I could use your suggestions.
Comment by t.proia | October 2nd, 2008
you guys are going to have a bad wake up call when your forced to remove your lies. you guys are putting information thats not backed by facts. your facts are false…sorry to say. eaglescout, thanks for letting me know why you deleted it. i wasn’t trying to spam. if i was spamming you would see more than 9 comments.
i like the truth, and nothing but the truth. if indeed this was a scam, i would be all for this article. but being fairly new to dubli and using it myself, i personally have found absolutely nothing wrong with dubli. as for the stock part of it, you will be able to buy stock from dubli when it launches Oct. 4th.
may i ask where your getting all your “so called facts?”
one comment with purely just links listed to facts would be nice. thanks.
Comment by eaglescout | October 2nd, 2008
t.proia,
“you guys are going to have a bad wake up call when your forced to remove your lies.”
Where’s your evidence that there are any lies here?
“you guys are putting information thats not backed by facts. your facts are false…sorry to say.”
What do you mean? I get my facts from the AMF, the SEC, and research. Any non-original material posted here is sourced. You can find the source by clicking on the posted links.
Facts are by definition true. And I accept your apology.
“you will be able to buy stock from dubli when it launches Oct. 4th.”
Not possible. Dubli is not registered with the SEC, and it takes more than 2 days to do it. (A lot more). Dubli was supposed to launch in the U.S. last Saturday, but they keep putting it off.
“may i ask where your getting all your ’so called facts?’”
First off, the sources are listed in the article itself. If you haven’t read it, now would be a good time.
Second, as I already mentioned, the information comes from the AMF, the SEC, Panamanian authorities, International news, and most importantly, Dubli itself.
If you have issues with a particular point, then feel free to bring it up. Otherwise, don’t be lazy, and actually read the article.
Comment by t.proia | October 2nd, 2008
NO NO dublie was never supposed to launch last Saturday. its this Saturday. OCT. 4th i would LOVE TO KNOW WHO TOLD YOU LAST SATURDAY WAS THE LAUNCH…pff
i guess we will all have to wait. if dubli wont delay there launch.
Comment by t.proia | October 2nd, 2008
whoops my bad, sorry they did delay the launch. but not because its a “so called scam” the owner actually wanted to be there rather than have it launch w/o him.
Comment by RJ | October 3rd, 2008
I’m always amazed how the nay sayers seem to surface on blogs like this. I have to really wonder who is writing the negative comments. What do they have to gain? or do the companies they work for feel threatened by new kid on the block. From the stuff I’ve read and seen Dubli looks like they have a interesting twist. The idea is brilliant and one of those “Why didn’t I think of that” models.
Comment by MK | October 4th, 2008
You are judged in life and in business by the company you keep. I don’t believe Apple would be allowing their product nor any other big name brand on the Dubli site if this company was a scam. Go check out the auction site and see for yourself. There are some pretty major labels being represented.
Comment by eaglescout | October 4th, 2008
To RJ,
“I’m always amazed how the nay sayers seem to surface on blogs like this.”
I’m amazed at how the only people who say that happen to be advertising their own Dubli affiliate sites. You are not the first. Also, what do you mean by “blogs like this”? If you have a point to make please stay on topic.
“I have to really wonder who is writing the negative comments. What do they have to gain?”
What’s wrong with negative comments about a scam?
Is it really necessary to “have [something] to gain” in order to point out fraud?
“or do the companies they work for feel threatened by new kid on the block.”
No, simply tired of being harassed by pyramid scheme promoters, such as Dubli’s.
“From the stuff I’ve read and seen Dubli looks like they have a interesting twist.”
Really? You mean like the stuff you read in your own Dubli affiliate site?
Are you saying you paid Dubli for your affiliate site based on hearsay? I don’t think you are a retard. Instead I think you are one of Dubli’s promoters, trying to curb the deserved negativity. Nice job giving yourself away.
“The idea is brilliant and one of those ‘Why didn’t I think of that’ models.
Well, here I have to agree. I bet many criminals are wondering why they didn’t think of a complex model where every transaction skims off between 40 and 50 percent on average, and then tricks you into playing games of chance instead of real auctions.
Though I must say, it’s not all that original. It’s just a mix of several different schemes, with misdirection every step of the way. I encourage you to read the article if you haven’t already.
But you already exposed yourself by posting a Dubli affiliate site.
Comment by eaglescout | October 4th, 2008
To MK,
“You are judged in life and in business by the company you keep.”
If Apple doesn’t know Dubli exists, then Apple can’t really keep Dubli as company, can it? Then the cliché is irrelevant.
“I don’t believe Apple would be allowing their product nor any other big name brand on the Dubli site if this company was a scam.”
Did you consider Dubli is so obscure that according to Dean Mannheimer (supposed U.S. country manager):
According to Dubli’s USA manager, Apple probably has never heard of Dubli.
“Go check out the auction site and see for yourself. There are some pretty major labels being represented.”
I did see the site. I even discuss paying 1000% for the iPod in the article, which you apparently did not read.
By the way, being a large corporation does not provide immunity from having your products associated with scams all the time.
eBay sellers sell counterfeit Adobe Photoshop CS2 software packages, all the time, but Adobe refuses to do anything about it, and eBay actually profits from sales commissions, so it’s not in their best interest to police every suspicious transaction.
Bottom line, it’s not a big deal that Dubli lets you gamble for iPhones, given that the last person to win an iPhone was John Ashfield, and he won every single electronic product in the store, including a Sanyo computer, an iPod, a Samsung product, etc… all on the same date: 7/13/2008.
Obviously, there is no John Ashfield, and if Dubli is actually giving away iPhones, then they are probably counterfeit. According to the dubli site, Images may differ slightly from actual products.
Of course, that’s only one of the hundreds of ways in which dubli rips you off.
Comment by t.proia | October 5th, 2008
you nay sayers are dumb. the site launched btw. …guess there legit! wow …what a shock…NOT…dubli is the next big thing. you mine as well get used to it…
Comment by eaglescout | October 5th, 2008
To t.proia,
Quit moving the goalposts. You said Dubli would be trading on the stock exchange. They still haven’t managed to do so.
It’s not a “shock” that they “launched”. They even managed to clean up their General Terms and Conditions, so that it is not as blatantly obvious that they are cheating you.
By the way, they are not currently registered in the United States. They are registered in the UK.
Comment by t.proia | October 6th, 2008
stock is only available to TC’s (team coordinators)they want the right people to invest, it gives them more control over there OWN company. overall it leads to success…your little 1000% comment about the ipod makes you sound like a compulsive liar or a retard…witch ever you prefer. you will NEVER pay above the retail price at dubli…it will always be below. simple as that. now why don’t you stop your hands from typing idiot remarks. All the products get shipped from Arizona for the US site…meaning Yes…if you live in the US…you get stuff shipped from the US not Europe…
lets sway away from dubli for a sec. for a good example of paying your “1000%”
….lets say you were to buy a Smart Car…you would go on a waiting list…but for those people who cant wait…they ship them from Europe…yup…your going to be slapped with a HUGE shipping fee…bumping the price up a bit…the same scenario is what was going on in the US when ordering stuff from the European Version of the Dubli site.
so case close… dubli is secure and legit…otherwise Walmart wouldn’t have joined up neither would Audi or Apple and many other top name brand companies… open your eyes young grasshopper! and maybe one day you will deserve your title as an Eaglescout
Comment by eaglescout | October 6th, 2008
To t.proia
“stock is only available to TC’s (team coordinators)they want the right people to invest, it gives them more control over there OWN company.”
What does this have to do with a real stock exchange?
“overall it leads to success…your little 1000% comment about the ipod makes you sound like a compulsive liar or a retard…witch ever you prefer.”
My “little” comment on spending up to 1000% is based on mathematics.
“you will NEVER pay above the retail price at dubli…it will always be below. simple as that.”
No. It’s a lottery. Your chances of winning are slim. You have to “bid” multiple times to lower prices. And every time you lower the price, it costs you 62% more than the price is lowered.
And when you actually “win” the option of buying the item, you have to pay in Dubli credits, which are worth 20% less than a real dollar.
“lets say you were to buy a Smart Car…you would go on a waiting list…but for those people who cant wait…they ship them from Europe…yup…your going to be slapped with a HUGE shipping fee…bumping the price up a bit…the same scenario is what was going on in the US when ordering stuff from the European Version of the Dubli site.”
The same scenario, except they hide the shipping costs by giving you the price in “shipping points” which are different from “dubli credits”. Could it be because they don’t want you to know the cost of shipping?
“so case close… dubli is secure and legit…otherwise Walmart wouldn’t have joined up neither would Audi or Apple and many other top name brand companies”
Do you have any evidence that Walmart, Audi and Apple joined Dubli? I can sell an Audi car anytime. That doesn’t mean Audi partnered up with me.
Comment by t.proia | October 6th, 2008
someone needs to chain up your hands! your are an idiot who OBVIOUSLY works for a company very scared of dubli. you continue to amaze me…as in..how dumb you are. the express auction isn’t a lottery, the other 2 auctions are just for fun…yes…you may need some luck in the zero auction and unique bid auction. as for the express auction(the popular auction) THERE ARE NO HIDDEN FEES! i want YOU to prove to me where these hidden fees are. if i had a program that recorded my screen i would show you how simple and awesome dubli is.
your one of those people who don’t care when the truth slaps you in the face. you will simply close your eyes and argue with NO LOGIC.
“nd when you actually “win” the option of buying the item, you have to pay in Dubli credits, which are worth 20% less than a real dollar.”
are you talking about the Unique bid auction? if so, then yes you will need luck cause others are playing the same game. you place the bid on what you think you might be able to win it at. if you are the only person with the lowest unique bid(meaning no one else has bid the same bid) than you get that item for what ever you bid for. so lets say you spent a credit to bid 25 cents…if you win the auction then you get the item for the price of your unique low bid. so i could lets say get a 32″ flat screen tv for 25 cents… simple as that.
the zero auction isn’t my favorite. i personally like the express auction the best. cause you always get a product way cheaper than any retail store including eBay. eBay only ships from where ever the seller is. Dubli ships from there warehouses. 7 diferent locations…
as for the evidence that walmart etc has joined…just look at the site.
im sorry if dubli hurts your income. but dubli is going to open up jobs and save lots of people $. which is a good time for them to launch considering how bad the US economy is.
do you not understand? dubli does not want JUST ANYONE to buy there stock. Its better if people in there own company OWN PART OF THE COMPANY. it helps company growth and helps motivates associates knowing they own a portion of the company.
THE EXPRESS AUCTION IS NOT A LOTTERY! (if thats honestly what you think than Winning an eBay auction is winning the lottery…and when you win an eBay auction…you get it for the highest price…) thats what you sound like… just stop your non-sense. shipping points = 7 different locations to ship from….get it? got it? good!
Comment by t.proia | October 6th, 2008
on top of all that, you don’t have to worry about fraud or your product being mangled or look different from the pictures. where if you used eBay those worries sit there in the back of your head.
Comment by t.proia | October 6th, 2008
btw it will be in the london stock exchange first…i don’t know exactly when it will be on NYSE
Comment by bjorn bjerk | October 6th, 2008
Hey eaglescout! Check out best buy.com look for this product Garmin nuvi 760 (which is a GPS for your car). The RETAIL price for this item at BEST BUY is 499.99 before taxes! Look at dubli.com under express auction and find this product (Garmin nuvi 760 GPS, same product) AND the STARTING PRICE ON DUBLI IS 430.00 US DOLLARS………. STARTING PRICE….. ALREADY 12% off at the STARTING PRICE. before anyone looks at it and chooses to see the price. The product comes with a warranty, brand new! not used, or refurbished. Dont know what else to tell you because i read your previous comments and you really dont make any sense…….. Sorry DuBli is going to take some of your business over at eBay………. Walmart is along for the ride at DuBli along with sony, apple, louie viton, gucci, lowes, home depot, samsung, did i say wal-mart? lol dont remember but i know you can find a wal-mart in every major city, hell probably every small town. Oh, and some other small companies you may have heard of… such as: Nokia, panasonic, Nintendo! So sorry to burst your bubbly, heck ill give you some credits so you can get somethin nice for yourself (Christmas is coming up). One more thing the products from the 7 different locations are shipped by some other companies you still havent heard of like………….. FedEx, UPS, and DHL. dont know what else to tell you but wait…… that garmin GPS is now 351.75 cents!
Comment by eaglescout | October 6th, 2008
t.proia,
Thank you for admitting that the ‘auctions’ are lotteries.
“THERE ARE NO HIDDEN FEES! i want YOU to prove to me where these hidden fees are.”
I explained to you that the shipping costs are hidden from plain view, not that there are hidden fees.
Dubli gets away with fraud by misleading you. Have you read their terms and conditions?
“as for the evidence that walmart etc has joined…just look at the site.”
I did. Walmart doesn’t have any information on DubLi or their relationship. I searched every corporate Walmart site like Sam’s Club. Nothing.
“im sorry if dubli hurts your income.”
Don’t apologize to me. Apologize to all the people you are defrauding.
“but dubli is going to open up jobs and save lots of people $.”
I don’t think so. There are 10 items in the ‘zero bid’ lottery. Most of those items are worth $400 or less.
If nobody plays, you have to pay 80 cents per bid to lower the price 25 cents. To get the $500 iPhone you have to spend 500 dollars / 25 cents per bid = 2000 bids.
To make 2000 bids you have to spend 80 cents * 2000 =
$2500$1600Dubli is not saving you any money. Your chance of winning per bid is .05% or 1 in 2000.
Your expected winnings per bid are exactly 25 cents.
So each time you spend 80 cents on something worth 25 cents, you are losing 55 cents.
Where does that money go?
“which is a good time for them to launch considering how bad the US economy is.”
Pyramid schemes are not good for the economy.
Comment by t.proia | October 6th, 2008
you didnt even read bjorns post you dumb bastard. you are never going to make sense…its not a gamble…but your going to need luck..just like the luck your going to need to win an ebay auction…you lost your argument! the terms and conditions you linked is something you typed yourself! go hide in a whole. your like a 3 year old trying to describe calculus…you just don’t know what the hell your talking about… DID YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH? DID YOU CHECK BEST BUY? DID YOU LOOK AT THE STARTING PRICE ON DUBLI? YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO SPEND A CREDIT TO SEE THE BETTER DEAL!
Its NOT A PYRAMID SCHEME!
PS
1st- YOUR THE ONLY DUMB ASS WHO WOULD BID 2000 TIMES! that doesn’t MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT! …
2nd-… with out even spending a credit IN THE EXPRESS AUCTION!!!…LET ME REPEAT MYSELF…IN THE EXPRESS AUCTION..YOUR GETTING A BETTER DEAL…YOU WOULD SEE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT POST 24!
3rd- DON’T TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OR MAKE UP LIES ABOUT SOMEONES COMPANY….it doesn’t take that much of an IQ to get this…you obviously are a few cards short of a deck… you yourself are a compulsive liar…you hurt HONEST companies reputation…i have no idea what drives you
not only are you hurting Dubli’s business…your hurting apples along with all the other name brand companies associated with dubli.
not even i would have the balls to do that!
BTW $.80 cents * 2000 equals $1,600.00
invest in a calculator with an IQ that low….
this right here proves that you are a dumb ass who is full of lies coming out your ass, and that you never got passed the 3rd grade!
Thanks you for Proving my point!
Comment by t.proia | October 6th, 2008
oh don’t worry about trying to delete all your posts and delete mine or even try to edit yours..i got it all on video tape!
lol
Comment by eaglescout | October 7th, 2008
“you didnt even read bjorns post you dumb bastard.”
I did read Björn’s post. (Who happens to have the same IP address as yourself).
I requested information from Walmart and they are looking into it.
“you are never going to make sense…its not a gamble…but your going to need luck..just like the luck your going to need to win an ebay auction…”
No, because if you lose an eBay auction, you don’t pay.
“you lost your argument! the terms and conditions you linked is something you typed yourself!”
Look it up.
“Its NOT A PYRAMID SCHEME!”
What service is Dubli.com providing? You stand to lose more than you stand to gain in the gambling, and you are deceived into thinking it’s a “reverse auction”; Where’s the value in the fraud?
If you are an affiliate for Dubli, you get paid by recruiting others. And when they get paid their money goes to you.
That’s a pyramid. Someone is going to get totally screwed, and it will be 88% of dubli’s affiliates.
You get paid depending on which business associate package you buy, and you are only qualified to make money if you buy Dubli’s services.
The information was just removed but it’s still in Google’s cache. Dubli has a long history of doing this, like most scams. AdSurfDaily did this three times before having their assets frozen by the IRS.
Furthermore, they claim that the packages are used to cover the cost of your website. Well, it doesn’t cost 150 Euros to put up a single webpage. You are being scammed. That money goes to the affiliate that recruited you.
“1st- YOUR THE ONLY DUMB ASS WHO WOULD BID 2000 TIMES! that doesn’t MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT! …”
Exactly, you wouldn’t do it because you would lose money. So why would you invite other people to Dubli, if you know they are going to lose their money?
“2nd-… with out even spending a credit IN THE EXPRESS AUCTION!!!…LET ME REPEAT MYSELF…IN THE EXPRESS AUCTION..YOUR GETTING A BETTER DEAL…YOU WOULD SEE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT POST 24!”
The Express “auction” is a lottery as well. Dubli takes 75% of the cost of “bidding” and applies the other 25% to covering the price of the item.
On average, you still lose most of your money.
“you yourself are a compulsive liar…you hurt HONEST companies reputation…i have no idea what drives you”
Which honest company is that? By the way, you should read a little bit about Dubli’s “founders”. Find out how honest they are. The fact that they change their General Terms and Conditions every few days should tell you something.
The fact that they took down the dubli-network information on how compensation works should tell you something, too.
“BTW $.80 cents * 2000 equals $1,600.00″
Fixed. Thank you for pointing out the truth for the first time.
“this right here proves that you are a dumb ass who is full of lies coming out your ass, and that you never got passed the 3rd grade!”
It proves that I got one calculation wrong. Please let me know if you see any other typos, that is always helpful.
Comment by t.proia | October 8th, 2008
your obviously not hear to discuss dubli…
me and bjorn have the same IP? Dubli did launch in arizona… from what i know my ISP is all DHCP! (ip address is automatically obtained from the ISP.) If we both have the same ip..witch cant happen w/o an IP conflict…(one of us would no internet if that was the case)… so we both live in arizona you tard. websites use that technology all the time to see the location the network is coming from, i am surprised you don’t know that! didn’t you make this website? don’t tell me you dont know how IP’s work. i used to work for an Internet Service Provider(ISP) myself, so i would know how they work…so dont try and argue with me…ill start throwing all kinds of TCP/IP facts at you!
“If you are an affiliate for Dubli, you get paid by recruiting others. And when they get paid their money goes to you.
That’s a pyramid. Someone is going to get totally screwed, and it will be 88% of dubli’s affiliates.”
you must be talking about a different dubli
or your at it again with your misleading info…
i think this is where your confused…maybe this is why you continue to argue even tho your wrong… you do get rewarded every time someone joins as an associate…eventually i could see that part stopping because ….thats not where the money lays..repeat..thats not where the money lays…you get paid everytime someone buys credits also..where the money lays..to do so they have to be connected to you…this is dubli’s way of rewarding your efforts for bringing in customers…i dont see myspace or ebay rewarding anyone for bringing in customers…and if they did there would be alot more than just a few people getting millions of $’s ……. why do you think you need so much luck with the express auction…i honestly see no reason for those comments…
(main auction) the express auction =
guarantee of a good deal
Even if you just spend 1 credit to look at the auction. hell the retail price JUST STARTING is 10% lower according to bjorn. did you compare Best buy…Or even circuit city or any other retail store? Fact: you will save $ no matter…unless your like eaglescout and for NO reason you decide..im bored lets spend money to see the number change even tho i have already saved money by clicking once…(one credit = $.80…if the product is already starting 10% off spending $.55 to get that 10% off is STIll saving you $. (i got the .55 cents by $.80 credit - the $.25 price drop of the item being looked at) 2000 credits would last me years in the express auction. you are right….why would anyone wanna spend $2000 lowing the price of an item? basic math will tell anyone that at $.80 a credit and only having the price go down $.25 each time wouldn’t save money.. why would you try and lower the price yourself? its not designed that way…it lowers over time… even the first person to look at the product is going to get more than 10% off…starting… that equals money saved NO MATTER WHAT.
(for fun auction) zero auction = need some luck
(for fun auction) unique bid auction = need to use a little strategy, and have a little luck.
“Exactly, you wouldn’t do it because you would lose money. So why would you invite other people to Dubli, if you know they are going to lose their money?”
like i said…they wont lose money…they SAVE money…unless you for some weird ass reason are like…hey im going to lower the price myself instead of wait for others to look at it. there really isnt any strategy… you look at 1 product 1 time…if its not the price you want wait a few hours…cause there will be otheres doing the same…each time someone looks at it the price drops…dont look at an ipod thats worth $150 300 times to make the price go down…if your doing this than your obviously dumb … you already gave me proof that you dont know how to do math… the fact that your saying all this makes me think your an idiot! i hope we never meet..cause people like you get slapped down. your a criminal in my eyes…your one of those people standing outside walmart with a sign protesting against it cause its a better company than yours… where do you work btw?
you are witness yourself seeing truth remove peoples comments like yours…it takes very little knowledge to realize you dont know what your talking about.
and your right …i did point out the truth about how your an idiot writing lies on a website in hopes that it will hurt dubli!
all your information is wrong making it a typo….
the fact that you made this site makes you dumb…dubli could stop bringing in associates and people are STILL going to make money. thats how it works…
how do you argue bjorns post? HONESTLY how do you argue that? you have to sign up to become a customer cause it links you to an associate who introduced it to you…its dubli’s way of being able to track and reward its associates… ITS COMPLETELY FREE TO JOIN as a customer….the only money you spend as an associate is to buy credits to hand out to people so they can see dubli and see how legit it is. (its the same as Coca-Cola giving out free bevereges to people in front of a store so people can experience it and hope they like it, and come back for more…thats EXACTLY whats going on in dubli.
i already know your going to try to the extreme to type misleading information… i do hand it to you tho, you are very good at lieing and pissing people off. i almost wonder if this is your job :S
anyway im done with you. im just going to wait for the success of dubli to kill this site…it will in time
good luck in life, i wont need it so don’t say it back…you are the one i feel sorry for.
PS
if you don’t believe me ill video tape my screen and walk you thought the process…
keep writing misleading information and ill keep writing the truth, i have nothing but time
i want you to call the FBI who ever it takes to show you the truth…cause there just going to back dubli up…sorry
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Comment by eaglescout | October 8th, 2008
To t.proia, AKA Björn, AKA Ser0tonin,
Since you have the same IP address, you are the same individual. Why do you keep talking about honesty while being blatantly dishonest?
“your one of those people standing outside walmart with a sign protesting against it cause its a better company than yours”
No. I like Walmart’s excellent prices. That’s why I’m glad they are not affiliated with Dubli.
Comment by t.proia | October 8th, 2008
i am not ser0tonin who the hell is that? i dont even see his post on here!…i am also not bjorn.
let me teach you a bit…about what your seeing.
What is an IP address?
Every device connected to the public Internet is assigned a unique number known as an Internet Protocol (IP) address. IP addresses consist of four numbers separated by periods (also called a ‘dotted-quad’) and look something like 127.0.0.1.
Since these numbers are usually assigned to internet service providers within REGION-BASED BLOCKS, an IP address can often be used to IDENTIFY the REGION or country from which a computer is connecting to the Internet. An IP address can sometimes be used to show the user’s GENERAL location.
Because the numbers may be tedious to deal with, an IP address may also be assigned to a Host name, which is sometimes easier to remember. Hostnames may be looked up to find IP addresses, and vice-versa. At one time ISPs issued one IP address to each user. These are called static IP addresses. Because there is a limited number of IP addresses and with increased usage of the internet ISPs now issue IP addresses in a dynamic fashion out of a pool of IP addresses (Using DHCP). These are referred to as dynamic IP addresses. This also limits the ability of the user to host websites, mail servers, ftp servers, etc. In addition to users connecting to the internet, with virtual hosting, a single machine can act like multiple machines (with multiple domain names and IP addresses).
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for i don’t even know my exact IP…its DHCP…so unless you work for my ISP…your not going to know exact IP’s, but rather General LOCATIONS…you do have proof that we live in arizona! me an bjorn should meet!
let me tell you a different way to make it even clearer!
it would be agaisnt the law to know my exact IP…you would have to hack…all you are seeing is where my network is located…witch is in arizona…if he has the same network IP …than all your proving is that me and him have the same service provider and that we both live in arizona…where dubli launched….you still have NO FACTS…you dont know anything about IP’s
That would be very interesting if walmart isnt with dubli…i personally havent SEEN anything but the walmart gift card…witch are referred as vouchers…
i still think your full of lies
Comment by eaglescout | October 9th, 2008
It was quite unnecessary to copy and paste this page
The chances that someone else has your exact IP address are 1 in 4.3 billion.
It’s not against the law to know your IP address, Tony from Glendale, AZ.
Comment by t.proia | October 9th, 2008
i did copy and paste that. good job. the point i as trying to prove is that YOU think im more than 1 person and using general location to try and back up your lie isnt going to work.
its against the law to hack peoples computes, witch i know you didnt do cause you dont know my IP but rather my network IP.
i emailed dubli about the walmart issue, i also emailed walmart to the same email adress you did and got a very different reply.
To: help@walmart.com
Dubli sells $5000 Walmart Gift Voutchers
is it legit? cause there is a guy who thinks that it isn’t legit…and me and him have been aruging for sometime…i honestly think he is misleading alot of people. so any information would be nice!
http://www.dubli.com
Dear Tony,
My name is Grace Anne. I am with the Walmart.com Customer Service Team.
Thank you for allowing me to assist you today.
We wanted to let you know that the email you received did not come from
Walmart.com nor do we endorse the information in the email. We apologize
for any confusion this email may have caused. We assure you we are
taking this matter seriously and are looking into it with all due speed
and diligence.
Please note that all official Walmart.com emails will come from an email
address of *@walmart.com. Walmart does not use any outside email
systems. If you receive any emails claiming to be Walmart and they came
from a different email address please do not trust that email.
We apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced.
Thank you for visiting Walmart.com. We appreciate the opportunity to
serve you and look forward to your next visit.
If we may be of further assistance, please email us at help@walmart.com.
We’re here to serve you 7 days a week!
Sincerely,
Grace Anne
Customer Service at Walmart.com
Comment by t.proia | October 9th, 2008
btw you still never answered bjorns question. and where did you find the Terms and Conditions to dubli? you are full of shit man.
is there a special function only you can use on this site that tells you our IP…thats kinda scary…why do you need that? lol anyway guess it cant hurt if you know peoples general location. if dubli is a scam, witch it is not. i am working to find actual proof. i have found none, and neither have you. you are a bit confused. every link you have provided has been a link that links to your site somewhere…those arent facts…to make me believe you have to have outside links showing me that its a scam..witch there are none. dont even try to link me any forums based on peoples opinions cause thats all that is out there. find me Factual information from LEGIT sites that list dubli as a scam …something government! not forums based on OPINION.
Comment by t.proia | October 9th, 2008
hmmm
Comment by eaglescout | October 9th, 2008
Tony Proia, the response you got from Grace Anne is a standard cut-and-paste reply. I got the same answer (different name). Then I replied and told them it didn’t answer my question, the second time around they gave me a more specific response which is posted as another entry.
What question did you ask me as Björn, that you want answered?
“where did you find the Terms and Conditions to dubli?”
http://us.dubli.com/info/13-GTC
Comment by hilarious | October 10th, 2008
t.proia , that evil thing you use to read the internet called a browser willfully gives your ip out whenever you visit a site, it is often recorded to provide accurate info as to how many unique visitors a site has.
and todays major isps DO use DHCP. but youre likely on cable and cable modems don’t get new ips unless they are rebooted and often don’t even then. its not like dial up when you got a new ip each time. also ips don’t give general location, they are unique to each modem connected to an isp. don’t you think its rather unlikely that you and 2 other dubli defenders are restarting your cable modems and getting the same ips and then all randomly deciding to come to this site?
and I’ve heard your silly “you must work for ebay and you’re scared” argument on other sites (must be dubli propoganda, its pretty common) if you think eBay is afraid of dubli you are seriously in trouble.
Comment by t.proia | October 10th, 2008
dude. im not bjorn lol
also you ONLY KNOW MY GENERAL LOCATION…you don’t know my exact address…i know this for a fact. so quit using your IP BS to try and back up your false facts.
btw i see nothing wrong with the terms and conditions. Also…if your really that dumb…and don’t know how to scroll up…ill copy and paste what bjorn said.
“Hey eaglescout! Check out best buy.com look for this product Garmin nuvi 760 (which is a GPS for your car). The RETAIL price for this item at BEST BUY is 499.99 before taxes! Look at dubli.com under express auction and find this product (Garmin nuvi 760 GPS, same product) AND the STARTING PRICE ON DUBLI IS 430.00 US DOLLARS………. STARTING PRICE….. ALREADY 12% off at the STARTING PRICE. before anyone looks at it and chooses to see the price. The product comes with a warranty, brand new! not used, or refurbished. Dont know what else to tell you because i read your previous comments and you really dont make any sense…….. Sorry DuBli is going to take some of your business over at eBay………. Walmart is along for the ride at DuBli along with sony, apple, louie viton, gucci, lowes, home depot, samsung, did i say wal-mart? lol dont remember but i know you can find a wal-mart in every major city, hell probably every small town. Oh, and some other small companies you may have heard of… such as: Nokia, panasonic, Nintendo! So sorry to burst your bubbly, heck ill give you some credits so you can get somethin nice for yourself (Christmas is coming up). One more thing the products from the 7 different locations are shipped by some other companies you still havent heard of like………….. FedEx, UPS, and DHL. dont know what else to tell you but wait…… that garmin GPS is now 351.75 cents!”
Comment by Serious ? | October 10th, 2008
I’m not with Dubli, but I am considering it. One thing I MUST know is:
Is Andy Bowdoin involved with Dubli at all? If so, how? As much detail as possible please?!?
Here is why I ask:
- There is a TON of BS out there that every MLM or Network Marketing Company is a SCAM. That is NOT true at all!
- What is true is that Andy Bowdoin IS A SCAM ARTIST! I know way too many people that lost WAY too much money in asd and other “surf the net and get paid” schemes.
- Dubli does have a product, so they are definatly not ponzi. I really wish people would learn the meaning of words before they used them….but I know some wishes are never meant to come true….
- Dubli is not a domestic based company. That should have any good network marketer nervous.
- Dubli’s reverse auctions are very similar to the lottery. Doesn’t make them a SCAM. Makes them fun. Might mean I never win, but I would have fun trying. I might never win the lottery, but that won’t stop me from buying a ticket from time to time. Hell, my favorite vacation spot is Las Vegas. Good thing retarded bloggers with far too much time on their hands weren’t around when that city got its start. It would be known as “SCAM CITY USA”. And no one would ever go.
So all of this is a rant to say:
If Andy is in, then I am out. He will find a way to destroy Dubli…Even if it is good right now. If he is not, I still have yet to see the scam here and will probably join.
Comment by eaglescout | October 11th, 2008
To Serious ?
Andy Bowdoin, to the best of my knowledge, is not involved with Dubli at all.
“There is a TON of BS out there that every MLM or Network Marketing Company is a SCAM. That is NOT true at all!”
You are correct. Not all multi-level marketing involves a scam. However, most have been. Even the the companies that aren’t currently scams, actually were at some point.
“Dubli does have a product, so they are definatly not ponzi. I really wish people would learn the meaning of words before they used them….but I know some wishes are never meant to come true….”
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/US-Seizes-Property-in-Alleged-Internet-Ponzi-Scheme/
Andy Bowdoin’s AdSurfDaily had a product, ad packages.
“Dubli’s reverse auctions are very similar to the lottery. Doesn’t make them a SCAM. Makes them fun. Might mean I never win, but I would have fun trying.”
That’s right. The difference is when you buy the lottery, you know you are betting.
“Hell, my favorite vacation spot is Las Vegas. Good thing retarded bloggers with far too much time on their hands weren’t around when that city got its start. It would be known as ‘SCAM CITY USA’. And no one would ever go.”
There’s nothing wrong with going to Las Vegas or gambling per se. It’s simply wrong for DubLi to pretend it is a auction, when it’s actually gambling.
It’s also pretty common knowledge that you don’t get into dubli for the “shopping”, you do it for the promises of earning getting money.
It’s been six days, and DubLi has only sold an average of 80 bids per item.
Of the sold items, the price barely went down beyond $20 of the original.
So the total profit, made so far is $360.
If you divide it by the number of top level employees, Michael Hansen, Dennis Hoffman, Andreas Kuche, Preben Westergaard, Frank Naske.
That’s $57 for each of the five top employees for 6 days.
or $7.20 a day.
If we assume they are making money on the 33 other items, that’s $374 for each manager per day, or $46 an hour.
But there are at least 300 affiliate pages in the United States and 5000 affiliate pages in Europe.
For each affiliate package, they earn $295 or $1600 (it used to be $795, $1595, and $3195 http://dublibusinessassociate.com/DUBLI_COMPENSATION_PLAN.html). That comes out to about $487,450 just in the United States.
So, Dubli has raked-in $487,450 from one-page marketing packages and only $1,870 from their shopping site; in the U.S.
But they’ve only “auctioned-off” 6 items.
So the only way they can afford to pay their “business affiliates”, is through the marketing packages of the people down the line, and the renewal fees.
“If [Andy Bowdoin] is not [involved], I still have yet to see the scam here and will probably join.”
It’s your choice. Go for it.
Comment by JustChecking | October 13th, 2008
I followed this site from scam.com and I can help but laugh at those conversation created by three-ring circus: tony proia, ser0tonin and bjorn bjerk. What a croc of sh**!!! All his replies are nothing but sh++ replies: worthless, useless and smell just like scam sh++. His made-up “typos” are typical of trying hard to elude people of thinking that 3 different people are responding. If you think DubLi is like a second coming to you then good for you. However, please don’t hurt the average American families who truly are looking for extra income and got sucked in and shelling out $800 to $3000+ to start a bogus biz. And yes, that $800 or $3000+ membership fee is borrowed from family members or friends. You see the negative ripple effects you creating???
Comment by Endor | October 14th, 2008
Congrats eaglescout on getting this page to #4 on Google when searching for “Dubli Scam”. Actually you should probably thank t.proia/bjorn bjerk/ser0tonin too for posting so many comments, I’m sure it wouldn’t be this highly rated if it wasn’t for him!
What I find most hilarious about Dubli is that it seems like the more referrals people send to Dubli, the lower your chances are of actually winning anything. Take the Unique Bid “auction”. For a $500 item, a small number of users could spend *at least* $4000 to cover all possible values between $0.25 and $500.00. And if no one picks a unique value (because all possible values between $0.25 and $500 were bid on by 2+ people) then no one “wins” the right to buy the item and Dubli pockets all the cash. What an awesome deal.
While lotteries may be a tax on people who are bad at math, at least they know what they’re getting into. Dubli is just plain maliciously evil.
Comment by Pilkington | October 14th, 2008
Hah, I’m not interested in Dubli at all (even if I wanted to start a business I already know a MLM when I see one), but I just wanted to say that this is one of the funniest exchanges I’ve seen in a long time, and I’m glad it’s so visible to anyone who is seriously considering going into Dubli. Please, anyone who has money to spend, invest it wisely or go buy something nice for yourself and your loved ones. People like t. proia don’t deserve your money.
Oh, and if you want to laugh at idiots who are trying to rip you off, there is a guy who draws comics trying to get people into the Dubli thing over at http://comicstripclub.com/. Electronic Tigers. It’s a painful, sexist, racist, conservative webcomic that is currently trying to get people into Dubli. It’s fun.
Comment by Bootstrap | October 15th, 2008
Hey, I like that comic - they’ve had some funny ones up there. Wouldn’t call it racist; they’ve made it clear that they’re riffing on their own experiences.
Of course I agreed that Dubli is clearly a scam, and agree that no one should be promoting it at all. Just wanted to say that comic was funny, for whatever that’s worth.
Keep up the good work, eaglescout!
Comment by Ron Saunders | October 20th, 2008
Where do you get your facts? Everything you say here is a LIE!
I met the owners yesterday in Atlanta, and I got the facts. Your lies above is hurting my business. What don’t you come clean on your real agenda and let people know the people paying YOU to say this junk? Tell the truth. As a professional it sickens me to see a good company be tore town by someone that holds an agenda. I have done my research and I know why you are spreading lies, and many of us will start exposing the TRUTH about YOU..Too bad
I have spent 21 years in direct sales and built organizations in the hundreds of thousands, and DubLi is the best financed company of any of them I have seen.
Ask yourself, How can a 5 Year old company be a scam?
Your lies:
1)We do business in CA!!!!Always have
2)The shipping of the products are less than shipping cost on walmart, Macy and others. The cost for a xbox360 to be shipped to Florida is 2 points which = $4.95
3)This is not gambling. Nothing is Random. There is no chance involved and you clearly see what your purchasing.
4)Everything you said about the Stock of this company is false. You do not even have the names of the people correct.
You are writing lies and slander is criminal and I pray it will catch up with you someday
If people want to read the truth, they can go to
http://37minutes2freedom.com
they can get all the information they need, and I would be willing to bet $1,000,000 US that you can not back up your so called facts above..
You are trying to destroy a 5 year old company with an owner that has a Servants Heart. DubLi is about helping people and you are trying to destroy the opportunity for people to make a live.
I will pray that you will retract your lies, and let me know the real agenda you have, and YOU Know what that is.
Sorry, but this is a real company and they do not make “Deals” with networkers. Everyone starts at the same place, and they EARN what they receive, and that is how Honest Companies do it.
Be Blessed,
Ron Saunders
Comment by grasshopperDubli | October 21st, 2008
I can’t believe this discussion. Even Dubli’s own promotional video shows that they collect way more money than the products own list price. How do you think people can be paid “down-the-line” unless they get people to sign up for the silver package or buy credits.
As long as people know they are basically shopping with an overall disadvantage, let them go for it… but let’s make sure the word gets out that it is “luck” based shopping at best.
Remember they call it “fun shopping” .. it is a fun model of shopping after all, so good for you Dubli. If you can get enough people involved in word-of-mouth type selling to people with no brains, go for it. The financial CEO’s on Wall Street would be proud
Blessings back at you Ron, and good luck
Comment by Ron Saunders | October 22nd, 2008
What every one is missing here is that in the EU, they have 2 million customers and only 14000 virtual franchise owners, and in the US, there are many thousands more customers than virtual franchise owners. How this be called Multi-Level when there are NO levels involved? MLM is you get paid on multi levels of marketing, this has NO levels, no payout anything like that. This is no different than the Subway Franchise I used to own. I paid $50,000 at that time for the right to start my business, and I had to pay for advertising. The credits we will receive with DubLi are used for ADVERTISING. Customers signup for free and we give them FREE bidding credits so they can see the price, and be a part of the auction.
How come 14000 plus people in Europe are active in the company, and no one that is a part of it is screaming foul?
Go to the US auction site. My ID is ron27 and you will see I on an auction 2 nights ago, and got a 32″ HD, LCD, Surround Sound TV for $242.50 and it only cost me $39.95 to have shipped 2 days service to Palm Beach County, FL. I have the receipt from the credit card and the company that I could post.
The information on this site is wrong, and in the US, slander is criminal.
As a person that spent the last 5 years battling cancer because of my service in the military, I can not go out and work a 12 hour normal JOB to make a living for my family, and DubLi has given me a chance to provide that income as any father/husband would want to do.
This site alone has cost me over $2500 in commissions so far of good people that are scared to join my business, and 99% of the postings are not the truth.
Anyone that goes to the auction site and joins for FREE, and then spends a couple of dollars US or less in Euro’s will see that they are getting great deals, brand name products with full warranties, and the shipping cost are very, very little and not has stated on this site.
In traditional network marketing, you have to signup 10,0000 people taking your juice, pill, or buying your soap to make any money, and you are always recruiting, and begging family and friends to signup to erase the dropouts. In DubLi, a normal, every day person can learn how to find 3 business minded people and make a good living. Our income is 98% based long term on customers, and NOT on selling a virtual franchise. Almost everyone can do that. We tell people on our calls, if you do not want to learn how to find 3 people to partner in business with you that we do not want you to pay your $795-$3100 US to be a virtual franchise.
I have personally met the Founder, The Chairman of the Board, the US Sales Leaders, and been to their meeting in Atlanta, GA, and I would be proud to take business minded people to their meetings. They do not hype the business or give you a bunch of BS. They are very conservative in nature and just damn good people.
I am not sure how long it will take to prove to the posters of this blog that DubLi is real, and not here to hurt anyone, no one, not customers or franchises. I will be the first to post when good things happen, and if bad things happen, I will post that also.
I only want the truth to come out.
Any one can call me at 561.972.4093 and I will give them the honest facts up to that very moment.. Good or Bad, I will state what I know. So far, I have only experience the good.
Business is Business and there will be up and downs, glitches, and slow downs, but DubLi has the capital, the business mgt team, the support team, the programming team, the legal team to solve all situations professional and honestly when dealing with the virtual franchisee, and their customers.
Let the facts tell the story and not Opinions. Facts are Facts and Opinions are worth nothing unless they are based on FACTS.
God Bless Everyone,
Ron Saunders
Jupiter, FL
Comment by eaglescout | October 22nd, 2008
To Ron Saunders,
“Where do you get your facts? Everything you say here is a LIE!”
OK, Ron you got me. Just like Tony Proia.
“I met the owners yesterday in Atlanta, and I got the facts.”
Really? What are they?
“Your lies above is hurting my business.”
Which lies? And what business?
“What don’t you come clean on your real agenda and let people know the people paying YOU to say this junk?”
That assumes that I’ve given you a fake agenda; I haven’t. If you think someone is paying me to discuss this scam, then find out who it is and get back to me.
“Tell the truth. As a professional it sickens me to see a good company be tore town by someone that holds an agenda.”
If you were a professional, you could start by writing like one. What exactly do you provide of value, by the way?
“I have done my research and I know why you are spreading lies, and many of us will start exposing the TRUTH about YOU..Too bad”
No, that would be good. I insist that you and your “professional” friends come to my blog and post more of your DubLi spam.
“I have spent 21 years in direct sales and built organizations in the hundreds of thousands, and DubLi is the best financed company of any of them I have seen.”
I don’t see how that is relevant. Do you think badly financed companies are automatically bad?
“Ask yourself, How can a 5 Year old company be a scam?”
There are many ways. And a few of them are listed here.
“Your lies:
1)We do business in CA!!!!Always have”
That’s a straw man argument. I never said you didn’t do business in California. However, I did say the DubLi site operates in the UK and the General Terms and Conditions are very specific about that.
“2)The shipping of the products are less than shipping cost on walmart, Macy and others. The cost for a xbox360 to be shipped to Florida is 2 points which = $4.95″
I posted this article on September 25th, 2008. It’s not my fault that DubLi changes its scheme every few days.
“3)This is not gambling. Nothing is Random. There is no chance involved and you clearly see what your purchasing.”
There is no way to know whether you’ve won a DubLi lottery bid until you spend your DubLi credit. Whether you win depends on how many other players there are and how much money has been spent. So, yes. Playing on DubLi is gambling.
“4)Everything you said about the Stock of this company is false.”
Such as?
“You do not even have the names of the people correct.”
Such as?
“You are writing lies and slander is criminal and I pray it will catch up with you someday”
I don’t believe in your god, so your prayers are meaningless. More importantly, if you believe in a benevolent god, then I have nothing to worry about, because you are the one scamming people.
“If people want to read the truth, they can go to
37minutes2freedom.com
they can get all the information they need, and I would be willing to bet $1,000,000 US that you can not back up your so called facts above…”
I’ll take you up on that offer. Find an arbiter, put the money in an escrow account, and sign a contract.
Oh, and please stop spamming your affiliate site.
“You are trying to destroy a 5 year old company with an owner that has a Servants Heart.”
What is that supposed to mean?
“DubLi is about helping people and you are trying to destroy the opportunity for people to make a live.”
That’s partially true. DubLi is helping professional scammers make a living. And I’m trying to destroy that opportunity.
“I will pray that you will retract your lies,”
I will pray that you stop being hypocritical.
“and let me know the real agenda you have, and YOU Know what that is.”
I thought that you already knew what my agenda is. Why don’t you tell everyone.
“Sorry, but this is a real company and they do not make ‘Deals’ with networkers.”
I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean. Would you be more specific?
“Everyone starts at the same place, and they EARN what they receive, and that is how Honest Companies do it.”
That’s how dishonest companies do it, too.
“Be Blessed,
Ron Saunders”
Pretending to worship God is no substitute for actual honesty.
Comment by eaglescout | October 22nd, 2008
“What every one is missing here is that in the EU, they have 2 million customers and only 14000 virtual franchise owners, and in the US, there are many thousands more customers than virtual franchise owners.”
That doesn’t matter because the bulk of the money comes from selling Dubli distribution licenses.
“How this be called Multi-Level when there are NO levels involved? MLM is you get paid on multi levels of marketing, this has NO levels, no payout anything like that.”
I didn’t claim DubLi was a multi-level marketing firm. I’m simply saying DubLi is a scam. But yes, DubLi is a multi-level marketing scam. Most of your money comes from sign-ups down the line.
“This is no different than the Subway Franchise I used to own. I paid $50,000 at that time for the right to start my business, and I had to pay for advertising.”
With Subway you make money off the sandwiches, not by selling more franchises.
“The credits we will receive with DubLi are used for ADVERTISING.”
So what?
“Customers signup for free and we give them FREE bidding credits so they can see the price, and be a part of the auction.”
That’s because if you didn’t give people free gambling credits, they probably wouldn’t waste their money on DubLi’s limited item selection.
How come 14000 plus people in Europe are active in the company, and no one that is a part of it is screaming foul?
Really? You must not have read the article. It’s the third link down. http://mdug.es/2006/10/dubli-la-supuesta-competencia-de-ebay/ (Dubli, the alleged competition to eBay).
“Go to the US auction site. My ID is ron27 and you will see I on an auction 2 nights ago, and got a 32? HD, LCD, Surround Sound TV for $242.50 and it only cost me $39.95 to have shipped 2 days service to Palm Beach County, FL. I have the receipt from the credit card and the company that I could post.”
I believe you. If you want to post it anyway, I’ll be happy to make note of it in a future article.
Nevertheless, it’s still a lottery. And DubLi doesn’t present itself as such. In fact, it changes its own rules every few days.
“The information on this site is wrong, and in the US, slander is criminal.”
It’s not slander if DubLi changed its modus operandi.
“As a person that spent the last 5 years battling cancer because of my service in the military, I can not go out and work a 12 hour normal JOB to make a living for my family, and DubLi has given me a chance to provide that income as any father/husband would want to do.”
I hope that you are on your way to recovery, and you have my sympathy in *that* regard. But, that’s not an excuse to hurt other people.
If DubLi starts changing its business practices for the better, I’ll be sure to acknowledge that as well.
“This site alone has cost me over $2500 in commissions so far of good people that are scared to join my business, and 99% of the postings are not the truth.”
Well, we do provide a little more information about DubLi’s background than most affiliate sites. If you can provide enough evidence that DubLi is not attempting to mislead consumers, and that its main source of income isn’t license distribution, I might start sending people your way.
But you should take a moment to think about whether it was this site that cost you the commissions, or whether it simply helped your potential clients find the information faster. It took me over 3 days to find a lot of this information. Some of it was no longer accessible from DubLi’s servers so I had to find alternative means to retrieve it. I also had to synthesize information gathered in several languages and reconstruct DubLi’s history; which would otherwise not be available to English speakers.
It’s possible that some information is now outdated, since this article was written before the U.S. version of DubLi launched. I’m willing to write a new article with updated information, but I don’t think it will be significantly different. Some numbers here and there will change (mostly because it won’t be in Euros), and because I had to speculate where there were gaps. Otherwise it’s mostly a series of misleading scams.
The owners of DubLi are associated with other scams, so why should I believe that they’ve finally come clean?
“Anyone that goes to the auction site and joins for FREE, and then spends a couple of dollars US or less in Euro’s will see that they are getting great deals, brand name products with full warranties, and the shipping cost are very, very little and not has stated on this site.”
This article, as I mentioned before, was put together before they redid DubLi twice. If DubLi changes for the better, I’ll be sure to post updates.
“In traditional network marketing, you have to signup 10,0000 people taking your juice, pill, or buying your soap to make any money, and you are always recruiting, and begging family and friends to signup to erase the dropouts.”
Right. That’s how I learned about DubLi.
“In DubLi, a normal, every day person can learn how to find 3 business minded people and make a good living. Our income is 98% based long term on customers, and NOT on selling a virtual franchise.”
Can you corroborate that? The publicly available statistics show otherwise. (I’ve written about that on comment #41).
“Almost everyone can do that. We tell people on our calls, if you do not want to learn how to find 3 people to partner in business with you that we do not want you to pay your $795-$3100 US to be a virtual franchise.”
Why don’t you want people who don’t want to learn how to find 3 partners? Sounds to me like you don’t want people who can’t get commissions for your down-line.
“I have personally met the Founder, The Chairman of the Board, the US Sales Leaders, and been to their meeting in Atlanta, GA, and I would be proud to take business minded people to their meetings. They do not hype the business or give you a bunch of BS. They are very conservative in nature and just damn good people.”
What are the meetings for? All you are doing is promoting DubLi, so why would they need you in a meeting?
“I am not sure how long it will take to prove to the posters of this blog that DubLi is real, and not here to hurt anyone, no one, not customers or franchises. I will be the first to post when good things happen, and if bad things happen, I will post that also.”
I find it more believable that you, Ron, are not out to hurt anyone.
“I only want the truth to come out.”
Good. I look forward to hearing more from you.
“Any one can call me at 561.972.4093 and I will give them the honest facts up to that very moment.. Good or Bad, I will state what I know. So far, I have only experience the good.”
Then I encourage people to call you. You may have information that is not available to me.
“Business is Business and there will be up and downs, glitches, and slow downs, but DubLi has the capital, the business mgt team, the support team, the programming team, the legal team to solve all situations professional and honestly when dealing with the virtual franchisee, and their customers.”
Please don’t get me started regarding their legal team. Legal documents are supposed to be clear and specific. Not obfuscated, vague and misleading.
“Let the facts tell the story and not Opinions. Facts are Facts and Opinions are worth nothing unless they are based on FACTS.”
I agree.
Comment by Ron Saunders | October 22nd, 2008
EagleScout, I do believe you are out for the truth and not being malice based on your comments. I can only post what I see and believe to be the truth. Over time, as I learn more, and I am more involved, I will make post on what is happening in the US with the company. No matter what the facts, good or bad, I will be straight forward and honest. I do not want to see anyone be hurt. I have been hurt by mlm scams in the past, and it it not fun.
The information that I have posted is the truth as I know it as of today. I never like to say anyone is wrong, but in this case, I would love to be right, and you be wrong..LOL
Your service is actually good, because you allow both sides of the story to be posted, and I appreciate that.
I will be in Dallas this weekend with the owner, and I will ask about the article about, and I will report back what I find out
Thanks,
Ron Saunders
Comment by eaglescout | October 23rd, 2008
“The information that I have posted is the truth as I know it as of today. I never like to say anyone is wrong, but in this case, I would love to be right, and you be wrong..LOL”
I hope I’m wrong too, in a way. I don’t like it when people with good intentions get deceived.
“I will be in Dallas this weekend with the owner, and I will ask about the article about, and I will report back what I find out”.
That would be interesting. Just remember this article is slightly outdated.
Other information might be more relevant, for example, regarding DubLi Spain’s collapse (I think Denmark collapsed, too), the cost of their affiliate packages compared to the actual maintenance costs, and an in-depth financial statement describing the volume of revenue from paid bids vs. paid advertising packages.
Thanks for offering, and good luck.
Comment by Gene | October 29th, 2008
The auctions are just some of the more popular aspects about
the company. Now keep in mind they have a shop coming the first of the year as well, and I understand that one can simply purchase products there and being that these come directly from the manufacturers there could be considerable savings as well.
I would say the company had some bugs to work out in shipping and different aspects of the operations but over time it has been worked out to the best of my knowledge. So what has come here to the US is a tested proven business model. Also in the US they will be drawing from domestic manufacturers for their products but keep in mind this will be global so buyer beware you will have the option to buy globally.
I mean obviously if you want to buy something half way around the world you will have to pay the shipping.
A group of us did go to the Chicago meeting for the launch and were very impressed with the owner and the things they had to say.
In our upline in the business we’ve had contact with Tom who was actually asked to do some of the software work for the company here and went to Berlin himself and is currently working on that aspect for them here. He had no intentions on doing the business but looked it over and thought this is really something and did decide to go for it.
As far as I’ve been told is that the company can operate in all 50 states.
Remember to buy when the price is right!
Hmmm! Sounds like a game show.
For more info on how to join go to. http://www.liveliberty.ws/dugold
Gene
Comment by inzider | October 30th, 2008
Please correct me if i missed something:
1. A person pays up to 1,999 EU to join and the referrer and others who joined before them get commissions? No product exchanges hands?
2. People pay to see a product before they bid on it?
a. Does that mean that everyone is paying for a TV or
camera for example and one person “wins” it?
b. a fee or bonus is paid to the referrer just for views of the products? No product exchanges hands again?
3. Does that above mean that Dubli can walk into WalMart, Target, BestBuy or whatever, and buy products at the retail price and simply discount them on the fact that people are paying to view them?
4. Even better, Dubli may be getting volume discounts and they are just paying commissions on the product views and keeping the rest?
This is a spectacular online money game if my understanding is correct. “A fool and his money are easily parted.”
Imagine if you walked into you local electronic store and they asked you for a $1 to look at an iPod before you can buy it. I have to say that the “brass” of these guys is impressive.
Comment by Julio | October 30th, 2008
I mess with Nigerian scammers for sport. There is not one part of this that doesn’t smell. I especially like the claim that they’ll be bigger than Google. If you invest in this then I would suspect that Barry Bonds hit you with the stupid stick. Read up on Ponzi; he was well respected prior to his house of cards collapsing, but collapse it did along with his reputation. The amazing thing is he just wouldn’t admit it was a scam even when the evidence was simply damning. You people that sign on for this stuff amaze me. Whenever we try to warn Nigerian 419 victims we get the same response; denial. Oh, well.
Comment by Ms. Judith | October 30th, 2008
t.proia!
Your comment “1st- YOUR THE ONLY DUMB ASS WHO WOULD BID 2000 TIMES! that doesn’t MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT! …” made me LMAO! Thank you for that!!!!
eaglescout
Seriously….you make yourself sound mentally challenged.
ANYONE…so my one question…In the US, where do these products ship from?
Comment by Ms. Judith | October 30th, 2008
eaglescout:
Your post on ” DubLi Spain’s collapse (I think Denmark collapsed, too)”
Why don’t you provide the articles? Is it because you just make stuff up?
No need to answer unless you provide facts.
Comment by eaglescout | October 30th, 2008
Gene,
“The auctions are just some of the more popular aspects about
the company. Now keep in mind they have a shop coming the first of the year as well, and I understand that one can simply purchase products there and being that these come directly from the manufacturers there could be considerable savings as well.”
What is there besides the fake auctions and multi-level marketing?
“I would say the company had some bugs to work out in shipping and different aspects of the operations but over time it has been worked out to the best of my knowledge.”
Whenever someone publicly complains about DubLi, DubLi deletes or hides all traces of its offending practices.
“So what has come here to the US is a tested proven business model.”
If they collapsed in Spain and promised to be traded on the London Stock Exchange, it’s not exactly proven.
“Also in the US they will be drawing from domestic manufacturers for their products but keep in mind this will be global so buyer beware you will have the option to buy globally. I mean obviously if you want to buy something half way around the world you will have to pay the shipping.”
True, but some of the shipping costs posted when they launched were unreasonable and all were hidden from plain sight.
“A group of us did go to the Chicago meeting for the launch and were very impressed with the owner and the things they had to say.”
Are you planning on sharing?
“In our upline in the business we’ve had contact with Tom who was actually asked to do some of the software work for the company here and went to Berlin himself and is currently working on that aspect for them here. He had no intentions on doing the business but looked it over and thought this is really something and did decide to go for it.”
The fact that someone decided to design software for DubLi doesn’t say much. You also didn’t explain why Tom was interested in working with DubLi.
“As far as I’ve been told is that the company can operate in all 50 states.”
No… It’s illegal in California due to the gaming (gambling) elements.
“Remember to buy when the price is right!
Hmmm! Sounds like a game show.”
Yes, not very original.
“For more info on how to join go to. http://www.liveliberty.ws/dugold”
DubLi spam.
Comment by eaglescout | October 30th, 2008
To insider,
“Please correct me if i missed something:
1. A person pays up to 1,999 EU to join and the referrer and others who joined before them get commissions? No product exchanges hands?”
Pretty much. You pay to advertise for DubLi, which doesn’t make any sense.
“2. People pay to see a product before they bid on it?
a. Does that mean that everyone is paying for a TV or
camera for example and one person “wins” it?”
Correct. It’s a lottery in various forms.
“b. a fee or bonus is paid to the referrer just for views of the products? No product exchanges hands again?”
That’s a harsh way to put it, but yes.
“3. Does that above mean that Dubli can walk into WalMart, Target, BestBuy or whatever, and buy products at the retail price and simply discount them on the fact that people are paying to view them?”
They are not affiliated with Walmart, so everyone who buys DubLi credits, or DubLi gambling chips (as I prefer to call them) is subsidizing the “discounts”.
“4. Even better, Dubli may be getting volume discounts and they are just paying commissions on the product views and keeping the rest?”
On some products, maybe, but Walmart claims not to be affiliated with DubLi, despite the image that DubLi tries to present. I’ve also seen DubLi selling vacation coupons (which are usually free anyway) and DubLi credits (which are basically worthless gambling tokens).
“This is a spectacular online money game if my understanding is correct. ‘A fool and his money are easily parted.’
Imagine if you walked into you local electronic store and they asked you for a $1 to look at an iPod before you can buy it. I have to say that the “brass” of these guys is impressive.”
I think the worst part of it is all the people who know it’s a scam, but feign outrage and knowingly participate in it. Some of them have actually posted here.
Comment by eaglescout | October 30th, 2008
To Julio,
“The amazing thing is he just wouldn’t admit it was a scam even when the evidence was simply damning. You people that sign on for this stuff amaze me. Whenever we try to warn Nigerian 419 victims we get the same response; denial. Oh, well.”
I think some people signing up are actually fooled or coerced into it by “friends” or acquaintances. They may not realize it’s a scam because it is well-marketed; or they may prefer to ignore the possibility because of the promise of quick and easy money, or because they’ve sunk too much money and they want to make it back.
Others are more dishonest, like Michelle Schartz and Judith, who pretend to be outraged, and bring up God or religion because some victims are actually swayed by their irrelevant “arguments”.
Comment by eaglescout | October 30th, 2008
To Judith,
“t.proia!
Your comment “1st- YOUR THE ONLY DUMB ASS WHO WOULD BID 2000 TIMES! that doesn’t MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT! …” made me LMAO! Thank you for that!!!!
eaglescout
Seriously….you make yourself sound mentally challenged.”
And you actually might be. I wasn’t saying I would bid 2000 times. That’s a straw-man fallacy and you actually fell for it.
I urge you to try harder next time you want to make a personal attack.
Comment by eaglescout | October 30th, 2008
“Your post on ‘DubLi Spain’s collapse (I think Denmark collapsed, too)’
“Why don’t you provide the articles?”
What articles?
“Is it because you just make stuff up?”
If you could be more specific with your questions, I’ll try to answer them.
“No need to answer unless you provide facts.”
When you actually ask something relevant, I’ll try. As it is, you are engaging in loaded questions and straw man arguments.
If you are referring to my questions for Ron Saunders, then you might do well to remember that I am asking Ron to inquire about these things; I’m not merely presenting them as facts.
You would do well to work on your reading comprehension or your honesty, since one or both of them is lacking.
Please do stop trying to misrepresent what I wrote. It’s misleading and you are wasting your time.
Comment by eaglescout | October 30th, 2008
Here’s a little video for Judith by the former manager for DubLi Spain:
Santi Fuentes apologizing to his downline for leaving DubLi for FinanzasForex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Zpix-0kZc
Santi Fuentes claiming DubLi is the competition to eBay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqyGGyH9r_4
And an article on fraudulent schemes, DubLi Spain, and Santi Fuentes:
http://www.estafasmlm.com/empresas-mlm/dubli/santi-fuentes-no-se-responsabiliza-del-fraude-mlm-de-dubli-ni-de-los-danos-economicos-causados-a-los-distribuidores/
Comment by Gene | October 30th, 2008
Well, show us documented evidence of a collapse.
If so, what about the rest of Europe? Seems to work
for them. I think that’s a pretty good record.
Actually in the US it’s $3,195 for a Gold license.
I don’t know what the exchange rate in EUs is.
We do give some credits away to encourage people to try out
the auctions for free.
I think that is a reasonable business practice for a new venture.
Do you want to try? You saw my
site didn’t you? Have you ever tried out a free sample
of anything to see if you liked it?
By the way the credits should be considered as inventory.
A Gold member gets 6,000 of the credits which is a $4,800.00 value if
you do the math. 80 cents x 6,000
Now since it is network marketing of course we as associates
do the marketing which is an element of our business and much
can be written off.
I wouldn’t call the auctions a lottery because you can buy at any time you bid. When you shop
or know of a sale, you usually have to pay something to get your product besides it’s cost.
I mean you have to expend some energy to get to the store either your own by walking or in the nature
of spent gas. Why not spend a credit and see what kind of deal is available. This is a good time to try
during the holidays. Most will be buying any how. Look around come back to my site and see if you can buy you camera cheaper. If not what’s 80 cents. Even if you spent 100 credits or $80.00 worth and
save $500.00 on that $1,000.00 camera, would it be worth it?
Have you ever bought anything in the auctions?
Yes, boy isn’t it an aha experience. Others do pay the seller for the difference of any product when the price goes down that’s the nature of these auctions. No one twists any one’s arm to do it. When it does sell, the seller gets their price. The buyer usually gets a great deal in a reduced price and the associate gets a commission. Not only does the associate make a good profit many times over because just as soon as that camera sells for a great price another one comes right up again and it starts all over but the associate also benefits from his downline. I see this helping the economy because more products will be moved. More jobs will be affected and it can be a win win win all around.
Oh a product does change hands in the form of credits. Remember that credits are the associates inventory.
The company doesn’t need to buy from retailers or middle men understand they are getting their products right from the manufacturers.
The product discounts are inherent with it’s business model in the fact there are no retailers involved.
Yes the company is going to make a profit and also makes a very lucrative business for it’s associates
while the customer gets good deals.
Just don’t be a fool while enjoying your auctions. Be reasonable. The reason it works so great is
because of the nature of the Internet. Many, many clicks out there. Millions of surfers.
Don’t be surprised if down the road you have to pay a $1 to look at an electrical product in a retail store.
NO scam here just good business and entrepreneurship. Go ahead. Register for free. No financial information is needed to register. I’ll even give you free credits. Now what’s wrong with that?
http://us.dubli.com/5986725
Comment by Gene | October 30th, 2008
Could you please interpret the Spanish for us.
Comment by Ms. Judith | October 31st, 2008
eaglescout - You said you would answer my post when I “actually ask something relevant.” Then you posted not one but TWO replies. So, even according to your standards, I posted something relevant.
You provided links with a video and some online article in Spanish. I don’t speak Spanish…so not helpful. If this video was an actual PRESS CONFERENCE or the article was in an ACTUAL DAILY NEWSPAPER, I would be interested in the translation. HOWEVER, since it looks like some guy in his house, not necessary.
Going back to the very first reply which said you sound “like a very negative, disgruntled individual. Perhaps a distributor, previous employee of Dubli” - AMEN to that.
Bottom Line: This business is NOT FOR YOU. You could not and would not be successful. Go find something that will provide you some joy out of life.
As far as any more posts from you, whether it is questions, accusations, indirect or covert suggestion or hints especially of a derogatory nature, I certainly will not reply to you. (I may however, sit at my desk and laugh at the insanity.)
HAVE A PROPEROUS DAY ALL!
Comment by Ms. Judith | October 31st, 2008
Gene - You’re a great salesman!!!
Comment by Gene | October 31st, 2008
Well, thank you! People just need to get
started. The sooner the better. I can help.
[Dubli Spam Link Removed].
Comment by Ms. Judith | October 31st, 2008
Already started and making money baby! Life is great!!!
Comment by eaglescout | October 31st, 2008
To Ms. Judith,
“eaglescout - You said you would answer my post when I ‘actually ask something relevant.’ Then you posted not one but TWO replies. So, even according to your standards, I posted something relevant.”
I pointed out your presumptuous and fallacious questions.
Then, because I assumed you would claim I was avoiding your loaded questions, I offered information that supports my actual argument, and not your misrepresentations of my argument.
“You provided links with a video and some online article in Spanish. I don’t speak Spanish…so not helpful.”
Well, I am very sorry, but I charge 10 cents per word for translations.
“If this video was an actual PRESS CONFERENCE or the article was in an ACTUAL DAILY NEWSPAPER, I would be interested in the translation. HOWEVER, since it looks like some guy in his house, not necessary.”
You are never going to get a formal press conference from DubLi. The second video is the closest you will get to seeing a DubLi press conference.
“HOWEVER, since it looks like some guy in his house, not necessary.”
That “guy in his house” and in the corporate meeting is your beloved former DubLi executive, Santi Fuentes.
“Going back to the very first reply which said you sound ‘like a very negative, disgruntled individual. Perhaps a distributor, previous employee of Dubli’ - AMEN to that.”
Really? I don’t believe you because you didn’t provide me with a “PRESS CONFERENCE or ACTUAL NEWSPAPER”.
By the way, calling me a “very negative disgruntled individual” is a pretty negative thing to say. Your hypocrisy seems to never end.
“Bottom Line: This business is NOT FOR YOU. You could not and would not be successful. Go find something that will provide you some joy out of life.”
No, I don’t enjoy deceiving people; but there’s nothing technically difficult about being a DubLi associate. It doesn’t take much talent to lie to your family and friends when you are desperate.
“As far as any more posts from you, whether it is questions, accusations, indirect or covert suggestion or hints especially of a derogatory nature, I certainly will not reply to you. (I may however, sit at my desk and laugh at the insanity.)”
Let’s recap, you attack me personally, then you misrepresent my arguments, then you nitpick at some pretty strong evidence against DubLi (not to mention, you ignore all the other evidence), then you ask for “official” documents (which you have not provided or offered), and then when you are given the evidence, you run away.
Let’s not forget, Google Translations can give you a pretty good idea of what the document says.
So, Judith, don’t bother posting until you present evidence that DubLi is a legitimate, non-deceitful ponzi scheme. Try adhering to your own standards.
Until then, you are a dishonest hypocrite.
Comment by jeff | October 31st, 2008
I just heard about this thing two days ago. I was referred to it from a couple friends who are making money. I have seen their bank accounts, seen the wire transfers. I asked them why the heck they didn’t tell me about this sooner so I could be enjoying the deposits myself; they told me that they wanted to make sure it was real and legit before approaching me with it. I wish they would have sooner. I think I’ll be good at it and I think it will take off. To Eaglescout: It has launched in America, of course you know this, and people are starting to make money….. people who use the express auctions are “GUARANTEED” to be able to purchase the product at “LESS” than the starting “RETAIL” price. Where is the problem here? I mean really. All this negative fear driven hate speech against a loving God and a seemingly decent business idea (whoops, I’m a Christian….. guess I must be crazy?) is suspicious at best. I guarantee all that I am just a normal average guy, maybe not all that smart, but it seems to me that (so far) Dubli is living up to its business plan and promises…… Am I wrong? Thanks for this medium to share our opinions. I respect everyone who has something relevant to say on “Either” side. Thank you for your time.
Comment by eaglescout | November 1st, 2008
To Jeff,
Thanks for your civilized comment.
Receiving money from DubLi does not make it any less of a scam.
The fact that it is deceptive is enough to consider it a scam.
The Express Auctions are a lottery, and the price rarely goes down more than 10% of retail price. You can get the same discount without engaging in a lottery scheme at a regular store.
Also, DubLi cannot possibly be making money off the Express Auctions, so their only source of income can be the advertising packages.
If your friends are making money, their main source of income will be commissions from selling advertising packages.
In fact, if your friends are making money, they are probably victimizing their down-line.
There are plenty of people in Europe who have complained about DubLi. I didn’t post them before because these are anecdotal, but then, so is your claim.
Here is another claim about DubLi in Europe.
DubLi, the theft of the century
And here is a quick and dirty translation for Judith.
Comment by Gene | November 1st, 2008
Hey thanks for the free ad.
It’s too bad someone didn’t receive
there product but there could be a number
of reasons why.
Time will tell if we’ve got something here
don’t you think? Just keep moving forward.
Comment by velociation | November 2nd, 2008
Lets get down to transparency…are there any postal addresses as a recourse in the even of us being had? Is there any fixed line contact no. Dubli has to provide?
WITHOUT a physical address to support its business model in EVERY COUNTRY it has a presence, I wont even bother advancing. It simply means its not worth risking. The Scamee is more to blame than the scammer for not being an informed consumer, and moreover, indulging when he knows theres no recourse.
Comment by Gene | November 2nd, 2008
Velociation have you found your answers so you can
move forward or do you expect unofficial answers from the associates or listen to the eagle with his scamapedia? Will you do your due diligence and report back to us? If you have questions as to the veracity of the company talk to your attorney general. Try California’s. There is no lottery involved with the company as can be verified in all 5O states and there is no problems as have been purported other than anything that might happen to any other online store.
The fact that the company is in it’s early stages of development from Europe and staged pre launch is a great place to be for the forward thinking entrepreneurs even though all of it’s offices are not yet established here. In every business venture there is a possibility of loss.
Keep moving forward. You will find your answers. When you find
them go ahead and join me.
Comment by Gene | November 2nd, 2008
Thought I would review this scamapedia a bit and the one screaming the loudest seems to admit, that according to the companies own records, “it has been registered in Delaware since 2003″.
That would be very easy to verify simply by a phone call.
Comment by eaglescout | November 3rd, 2008
Gene, I’m going to borrow your idea of a Scamapedia.
You are welcome regarding your DubLi ad. I don’t mind a relevant link here or there, (even multiple ones automatically linked to your name), but advertising the same site over and over lessens the quality of the comment section.
Regarding admission, I was actually pointing out that Dean Mannheimmer was contradicting himself, or lying.
But if Mannheimmer is not lying, then DubLi must be lying because they are not registered in Delaware.
Comment by Gene | November 3rd, 2008
How does it lessen the quality of the comment section?
As to the term Scamapedia just remember to give me credit for the term.
Comment by Ms. Judith | November 4th, 2008
“Liars share with those they deceive the desire not to be deceived.” Sissela Bok
Entity Name: DUBLI.COM LLC
City: WILMINGTON County: NEW CASTLE
State: DE Postal Code: 19806
File Number: 4153725
Comment by Gene | November 4th, 2008
Thanks Ms. Judith. That helps. I’ve emailed the attorney
general’s office myself and hope to hear from them soon.
That is an interesting quote.
It would be a good definition for scamapedia.
Comment by Ms. Judith | November 5th, 2008
Agree with you 100%
Comment by eaglescout | November 5th, 2008
Ms. Judith, we already know what DubLi claims, but what is your source?
By the way, DubLi did go bankrupt in Denmark.
Comment by eaglescout | November 5th, 2008
Hi Judith. John Roberts gave me the source on another thread.
Sorry for mistrusting you on that one.
However, DubLi did not register until 2006. Shortly before they declared bankruptcy in Denmark.
Comment by Anonymoose | November 7th, 2008
I don’t know what gave me more of a headache browsing through the comments; all the people with 4th-grade spelling capability trying to defend DubLi, or our gracious host for taking the time to respond in earnest to every single point raised by them, practically culminating in one huge “NUH-UH; NYUH-HUH” argument.
You’re dealing with trolls (mostly). Logical discourse is wasted on them. Just sayin’.
So yeah, if DubLi really is all this, screw them. In fact, even if they aren’t, screw ‘em anyway, Internet auctions are just a bad idea through and through.
Comment by Gene | November 7th, 2008
We’ll see!
Comment by eaglescout | November 8th, 2008
I figure someone else might read the comments and it will answer their questions about DubLi.
Comment by Gene | November 8th, 2008
They can get to me and I can answer them.
Comment by eaglescout | November 8th, 2008
So Gene, I take it DubLi’s bankruptcy in Denmark has had no effect on your attitude toward DubLi?
Comment by Gene | November 9th, 2008
NO, if there really was one. In any business enterprise like this it’s only as good as the associates who promote it. If in fact there even was a bankruptcy.
We here in the US are working off the German model. Of course we plan to do a better job. Let’s get started today! We’re still in the beginning stages. Good time to join!
Why don’t you focus on what’s happening in the rest of Europe? That might be a better indicator don’t you think? Just because you have a couple bad eggs in your carton it doesn’t mean you throw out the whole carton!
Comment by eaglescout | November 9th, 2008
So, Gene, you think that the government of Denmark has a reason to lie about DubLi’s bankruptcy in Denmark?
“NO, if there really was one. In any business enterprise like this it’s only as good as the associates who promote it. If in fact there even was a bankruptcy.”
You don’t have to take my word for it. Just check the publicly available records.
“We here in the US are working off the German model. Of course we plan to do a better job. Let’s get started today! We’re still in the beginning stages. Good time to join!”
How exactly do you plan to do a better job? A better job of what?
“Why don’t you focus on what’s happening in the rest of Europe? That might be a better indicator don’t you think?”
Yes, the rest of Europe is a better indicator: DubLi Spain collapsed. DubLi Germany gets the same amount of traffic as DubLi US/UK (very little), and the bad eggs in your carton include Michael Hansen, who has already bankrupted 5 corporations, including DubLi Denmark.
Comment by Gene | November 9th, 2008
Yes but I don’t care about Denmark as I told you we are using the model from Germany which has been successful and we hope to do even better with some other options. I don’t believe
Michael Hansen bankrupted any corporations. But let’s say it happened.
So What? Tell me what you think about the German model. It’s working so how can you fault success? We’re still launching and if you wish to take a wait and see attitude it could be your loss. If you really want to know all the facts join the company. You can even start for free with the auctions. Just click on my name above and it’ll take you to my site where many of you questions will be answered.
Have a great day.
Comment by eaglescout | November 9th, 2008
“So What? Tell me what you think about the German model.”
It’s flawed. Didn’t you read the articles? More than 97% of DubLi’s revenue comes from selling licenses, not from the gambling.
“It’s working so how can you fault success?”
You can fault success if it is fraudulent; i.e. a pyramid scheme.
“We’re still launching and if you wish to take a wait and see attitude it could be your loss.”
I’m not taking a wait-and-see attitude; you are.
“If you really want to know all the facts join the company.”
Gene, I’ve been teaching you about DubLi, and you are in it! Why would I need to join the company?
Comment by Gene | November 9th, 2008
LOL scamapedia is all you’re worth here you teach nothing. But confuse honest people. All your misrepresentations are getting boring. But that’s what fuels your fire I suppose. Recruiting is one aspect in any MLM business but of course you want to frame it a pyramid scheme, get with the times man. Would you even know what to do with a great opportunity like this?
Comment by Oscar | November 9th, 2008
Hi guys,
WOW I cant believe I did it, but I read ‘em all. All the comments in this article are very useful to determine whats important. Is this or is this not a scam?
-Just yesterday I was introduced to this DubLi company via an e-mail sent to one of my business partners (actual business such as real estate investments and stocks).
-Everything that they promise and promote looks great, and it has to, of course, if they want to stay in business by warping everyone into their black hole of “you’ll be rich tonight”.
-Truth is we all want to be wealthy and enjoy the life we want rather than the life we CAN, and it is this very concept that companies like this exploit to make money off the very people who don’t have any.
-After reading this article, and the comments in it, I’ve come to the conclusion of not joining DubLi for the simple fact that I cannot trust them, and I will not recommend my business partners to join.
-To the editor, better known as eagleScout, thank you for this information, and this arena in which opinions and facts have been stated.
-To the supporters of DubLi, I do wish you become successful, and remember that if you’re looking to get rich, you first need to be financially smart. Also, remember that for a company or corporation to be successful, it needs to be run by people who are characterized as those who possess integrity, leadership, and the will to make others successful as well. Obviously, a board of directors which sports businessmen with a history of bankruptcy and fraud do not meet those qualities. But that’s my OPINION, which means you don’t have to agree.
-All in all DubLi is doing something right. It is providing a method in which this website can grow in traffic. Thus beneficiary to the editor, and that makes me happy. Good for you eaglescout. You are monetizing the controversy, truly leveraging your time, and growing your business at the same time. You, in contrast to the opposing side are a true entrepreneur.
Even if you don’t believe in my God, I wish you blessings.
-Oscar H.
Comment by Gene | November 9th, 2008
Yup, I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t think I could make a go of it and that goes the same for others. Best enterprise I’ve ever seen. I don’t know about all these unfounded remarks especially when a real concerned soul, so called, gives us information in Spanish or Danish or even sites his own emails. That doesn’t seem to me as very reliable or reputable. It’d be nice to have it in English and I gotta say all the fallacies used to an intelligent reader could simply discount anything this guy writes for that very reason but we
gave some lattitude to see if he would come clean but it has been a disappointment at best. I like the free visibility just like the rest of you. The truth will come out as this thread grows. Anyway come join me and let’s getter done. I don’t know which God you believe in but mine wishes, above all things that you prosper even as your soul prospers.
Comment by eaglescout | November 9th, 2008
Thank you for the nice comments, Oscar. By the way, I looked at your web site. Are you starting out or how long have you been doing web design? I consider myself a weak agnostic, but I wish you blessings as well.
To Gene, all of the information (except for two videos of Santi Fuentes) is available in English, too. Let me know if you have trouble finding it.
Comment by Gene | November 10th, 2008
No just give us the sites in Spanish translated.
That’d be fine.
Comment by eaglescout | November 10th, 2008
DubLi the alleged competition to eBay (Translated)
Santi Fuentes does not take any responsibility for DubLi’s MLM fraud or the economic damages inflicted upon promoters (Translated)
Comment by Gene | November 10th, 2008
Hey thank you! Everyone should read those Spanish accounts. It will clear up a bunch. It’s not the company at issue there it is quite anecdodal some guy alleges the associates didn’t get the help they needed and another guy decided not to do the biz for his own confidential reasons. I see one article was writen in 2006 and the other one a year ago. Old news.
You have to remember that the company has been evolving but really it not the company at issue here.
Anyway as I said a company is only as good as their associates. I don’t think the company itself can really be in question. You understand in a court of law it could be considered hearsay. No evidence is put forth. Were not looking for the popular vote here just the truth.
Comment by Gene | November 10th, 2008
We’re not looking for the popular vote here just the truth.
Seems Germany is addressing issues!
Germany (Press Release) February 8, 2008 — BERLIN. – The Berlin auction house DubLi calls for the creation an e-commerce customer executive council from March, 2008. It aims to improve the quality of customer service in the e-commerce industry. But website usability should also be a topic for the council, which will be composed of representative consumers from all sixteen federal states
Moreover, it will include Chief Operations Officer (COO) Dennis Hoffmann and Vice President Michael Hansen as well as leading business experts.
“Consumers from every region, from different professions, young and old are sought after”, says DubLi managing director Jesper Sjölund.
The council will meet biannually under the direction of COO Dennis Hoffmann in the German capital, explained the world-wide trading portal. It should familiarize itself with customer perspectives and benefit from their recommendations. Suggested topics will include e-commerce contact, product and service quality and customer service itself, along with future prognosis.
Dennis Hoffmann considers the initiative to be part of DubLis’ campaign for
“Trustworthy E-Commerce” – one of the primary goals of DubLi.
Comment by EJ | November 11th, 2008
Just ignore this blog - he’s no doubt an eBay seller who is trembling in his boots. Regarding the shipping points (which I find funny that the writer of this blog is even trying to use the same low brow tactics he is alleging by telling people you have to pay for duty fees), DubLi has a fulfillment center in Arizona for the US market.
So that brand new full warranty Macbook Air 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo w/ 80 GB HD and 2 Gigs of Ram that I just paid $1115.00 for cost me $9.95 to ship. http://linktrack.info/ib0vu45
The best price you can find online is at Amazon for $1844.00 - yeah, it’s a scam that I saved a TON on my new laptop.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HU4NK
Whaaaaa…go pound sand!
Comment by EJ | November 11th, 2008
And Oscar, if you are going to base your opinion and decisions on a bunch of questionable ebay sellers posting comments on here, I can only say good luck my friend. Can anyone here remember the crap that was spewed about QVC or even eBay when they first came out? I started 3 weeks ago as a business associate and have 13 people that joined me in this venture as business associates as well as over 100 Dubli.com customers. I’ve already made back my investment and then some and it’s only increasing daily.
Loving DubLi.
Comment by eaglescout | November 11th, 2008
EJ, This article was written with the information that was available on the DubLi site on September 25th.
“Regarding the shipping points (which I find funny that the writer of this blog is even trying to use the same low brow tactics he is alleging by telling people you have to pay for duty fees)”
EJ, the shipping point scheme changed after this article was written. I’m not going to change factual information just because DubLi changes its terms and conditions every few days.
Regarding your computer, you overpaid. I hope you didn’t spend too many credits checking the price.
Furthermore, the specifications do not match, so you probably got a refurbished computer.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a bad computer, it’s just you could have gotten a much better one at that price.
Comment by Gene | November 11th, 2008
Yup, we’ve got the prices and the business.
They’re running scared! They have to dream up something so as to reconcile the great prices and ignore that the auctions work. LOL It can’t get better than this.
Comment by eaglescout | November 11th, 2008
Who is “they”? And why are “they” scared?
Comment by Gene | November 11th, 2008
You should know LOL
Comment by EJ | November 11th, 2008
Apparantly my reply did not get posted or fell through the cracks. I won’t repeat all the links I posted here but no, I did not pay too much.
I appreciate you coming clean on your referencing outdated and irrelevant data as it applies to the US market.
And besides, it isn’t your place to assume what is a better computer for my needs. I got exactly what I wanted. And it cost me $4.80 in bids - add that to my $9.95 in shipping and it was a steal. Even if I paid $100 in bids, it would still be the best deal anywhere.
http://tinyurl.com/6cafqe
The 1199 listing, you can’t buy it from the seller because *surprise* he isn’t verified. Yeah, I trust that source for my purchases.
Bizrate 1843.99
Macmall 2133.97
Amazon 1844.00
Logicbuy 1499 *refurbished
Apple Store 1499.00 *refurbished
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Comment by eaglescout | November 12th, 2008
EJ, your case merited a blog response. I have responded here.
Comment by Shannon | November 18th, 2008
Ok, 109 posts later I am still not sure how paying $0.80 to view the cost of an item is a good deal.
Let’s get this out of the way first and formost. I have an account with both E-Bay and Dubli, I am only a purchaser not a major seller on E-Bay. I have no interest in either company and am not benefiting or harmed by the success or downfall of either. I have used the 3 FREE credits on Dubli and still felt ripped off.
Please tell me if my math is wrong…
every $0.80 you spend you get a $0.25 discount right?
so a $100 item is viewed 400 times before it gets to $0.
That means there were 400 credits used to get the $100 item to $0.
400 x 0.80= $320
Only one person gets to take the item home and 399 bidders are out $220 of the money they spent? Where does this money go? What happens if there are no Original bids? $330 is spent, no one gets the product and the bidding starts over again. If this a popular item I can see this scenerio playing out several times over and alot of money being made by Dubli with no product changing hands. How do we even know that the bids were not original? We have to believe them since there is no evidence to prove otherwise.
How is this a deal for everyone else?
If this scenerio was played out on E-Bay and 400 bids were placed on an Item, one person wins, they know upfront how much the shipping is and where it is coming from and 399 other bidders did not lose any money. On ebay you can see the usernames of eveyone that bid and how much they bid. You can research the usernames to see if they are legit and 90% of the time you are getting the item for less than retail.
Please help me understand (without calling me stupid or any other derogitory names)
Comment by SUCKERED AGAIN | November 18th, 2008
EagleScout, I told you I would post fair and balance. well you were right about everything you said. I kept watching them cut my commissions in half to almost nothing after a ton of hard work, and now that it is the 19th of the month, I am still not seeing the direct deposit that was promised on the 15th.
MLM Is a great industry, but when companies come along and do this type of crap, it gives the industry a bad name.
YOu see my email, so you can laugh knowing you were right.
I hope no one ever joins Dubli. Flush your money down the toilet if you want to waste it.. They are the biggest Con on Man in the past 3500 years. The owners should go to prision and everyone that represents them should be put in jail or at least in a padded room so they can not hurt themselves or others.
Keep these post coming. You are helping save the world by not allowing others to waste their hard earned money on the biggest ponzi scheme ever
Comment by Shannon | November 18th, 2008
Suckered Again,
What was your original post name?
Comment by Oscar Fernandez | November 19th, 2008
Paying 80 cents to lower a bid 25 cents? That sounds like a scam right there!
He’ll I think I’ll have a better time pitching dimes to win a plate at the state fair. At least I know what I’m getting!!
Comment by Oscar Fernandez | November 19th, 2008
If this is so much better than ebay then why in the hell is it hard to figure out what to do?
And why are their only 15 products that I can bid? This Dubli site is weak!!
Comment by Toni Alexander | November 19th, 2008
I want to buy toys, but why aren’t there any listed? Where is the Dubli entry in wikipedia if it is so successful in Germany?
Comment by Toni Alexander | November 19th, 2008
This has to be a bad joke, right?
Comment by Toni Alexander | November 19th, 2008
Ron,
Your http://37minutes2freedom.com video takes 37 minutes to load…what gives?
Comment by eaglescout | November 20th, 2008
To S. Again,
I’m sorry to hear that. I was aggressive at first because it was difficult to determine who was deliberately posting misinformation, and who wasn’t.
Laughter isn’t the right emotion at all. I’m glad that you can corroborate what I strongly suspected, but it doesn’t make me happy to learn that someone has been deceived or hurt that way.
I hope that your loses were limited, and that you find some justice. I don’t know in detail what the priorities of the FBI’s IC3 are, but if you are interested in filing a complaint, you can do it here: http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx . Though you may or may not get your money back, it might put DubLi under the FBI’s radar (if it’s not already there).
It’s pretty impressive that you were willing to change your thinking and share with others, despite the ingenious campaign by DubLi and the cost to you. I think that’s very commendable.
Comment by Switzer | November 24th, 2008
Eaglescout-
I apologize ahead of time if this question has already been asked and answered but I am curious, do you have any kind of affiliations with eBay or any other e-commerce business? Thank you.
Comment by eaglescout | November 24th, 2008
To Switzer,
I inadvertently bought counterfeit software from an eBay seller once. I was not able to get a refund. It seems neither eBay nor Adobe benefit from pursuing counterfeiters.
Comment by Randy T | November 26th, 2008
So to make real money with Dubli, I have to dish out $3200, have threee people dish out $3200, and continue to have them find people to dish out $3200..on and on.
If we continue to do this Dubli and it’s associates tell us we will all be rich.
If the product is such a hit why not just sell credits and make money that way? Why the pyramid scheme?
Comment by Randy T | November 26th, 2008
According to a press release in August:
DubLi, a German internet marketing company, has been operating on a limited scale in Europe since 2006. They will be pre-launching the same platform sometime August in the United States and the company is expected to go fully online in the US by September. DubLi is a global trading platform dealing with online auctions and online shopping that is predicted, by some, to surpass the popularity of e-bay by 2010.
Notice - limited scale in Europe after people here are saying it’s a smash hit in many countries?
Also, who are these people who “predict” Dubli to be more popular than EBay? Dubli associates? I predict the Pussy Cat Dolls will be a bigger hit than Led Zepplin!!
They need to remarket Dubli but not as a gray, shady MLM.
Comment by lucho | November 26th, 2008
Wow.. interesting to see peoples opinions here.. I personally can smell scam from a mile away.. By the way when I was registering to be an associate, I notice that dubli is not utilizing https, and they were asking me my s.s., birth date address, etc. wow giving all that personal information over a non secured web site.
Anyhow dubli will bring money to the early adopters like every piramid does. And the people on the botton will never recover. I really wish this loteries, games, etc. did not make people believe everything the scamers is telling them.
My advice to anybody is to consult with people that has formal education and that they trust. Also running an example case from top to botton will help and will show where the money comes and where it goes. In the long run you get somenthing cheap at times, and in all the other times you loose a little here and a little there. After all the peny slot machines are the ones that make casinos millionaires, nobody feels the pain when loosing a peny, but the society as a whole looses, and in the case of dubli the actual price paid for the item (not by the winning individual) is incredibly high, remember that only a little bit of what you put in counts towards the total. But I know it is pointless to explain to many, at least consult with a person who has lots of formal education, in particular math, also it has to be somebody not infolved in the system, and somebody that you trust, if you ignore any part of this then you will get a biased opinion.
Comment by Me | November 26th, 2008
If you’d look into
it a bit more lucho you’d see that Dr. King who is teaming up
with the company who has a bit of expertise in network marketing which in your small world view term it a “piramid” which correctly put is pyramid, lends credibility to the company.
http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/dr-charles-king-and-dubli-founder-michael-hansen-meet-to-finalize-plans-57893.php
Comment by ActionRequired | November 27th, 2008
Eaglescout,
Thanks for this article and blog you nailed it. Dubli is a giant scam. I filed a complaint with the FBI and I urge all the people who were taken by Dubli to do the same. That is the only way to stop the Dubli people from moving on and doing it again. Don’t let anyone else become a victim.
Comment by Charlie | November 27th, 2008
I’m so confused, I just invested $800 U.S. two weeks ago and became the first and only person in the state of Hawaii to Join Dubli, I have several loved ones and co-workers about to invest money, this was presented to me by a great friend who is a millionaire many times over, he’s is on fire with Dubli, I wish someone would contact me with some real info on Dubli, so far I’m going full steam ahead! drayermaui@aol.com
Comment by Me | November 27th, 2008
LOL don’t lie to the people eaglescout. If you did
you aren’t a very progressive person. You and your
so called favorite terms. Blah blah blah. You won’t
stop the good company from making history.
Comment by Charlie | November 28th, 2008
O.K. over the past 24 hours I’ve done enough research for a life time I’m no longer confused any great company like Dubli is going to come under fire but i feel safe going forward, last night I sat in a room filled with millionaires in my Maui home, and these guys would not waste their time with any kind of “scam” I’ve known most of them since high school, Dubli is Legit! Of course there’s going to be jealously and pettiness from morons the world over! Go with God people and keep in touch because I’ll need some good people to wax my Mercedes and clean my house. peace.
Comment by eaglescout | November 28th, 2008
Hi Charlie,
You should post your research so we can all see it.
Comment by Charlie | November 29th, 2008
As corny as it may sound, my research is a matter of the heart, it boils down to the people you surround yourself with, Dubli in the wrong hands could be a nightmare, my advice don’t invest time and money in Dubli unless you are surrounded by solid, dynamic people, and by no means don’t believe you’re going to “get rich quick” it’s a business folks. Good luck and God Bless.
Comment by me | November 29th, 2008
I see editing is done to suit the fancy of the owner.
Aren’t you still missing the point that the company has an element of network marketing and is not a pyramid or even a piramid as some style it. It also has an element of viral marketing. Good company. It’s growing. Can’t touch it!
Comment by t.proia | November 30th, 2008
oh might i add…you get free credits as a customer when you join, you also get free credits every time you get a friend to join because of you. i believe its 5 free credits.
Comment by t.proia | November 30th, 2008
ok, lol it’s been awhile and i thought i would follow up on how i am doing in dubli. also for more (real non-misleading) information visit http://www.wickedlowprices.info
1. i have not made all my money$$ thought associates. 80% of the money i have made is thought customers. i have a redirect that sends you to dubli aka http://www.wickedlowprices.com (this helps me out cause people will register as a customer under me…making me money and anyone in my up line money)
Comment by t.proia | November 30th, 2008
2. i have tested out dubli on the customer side and it is very possible to get items! for cheap might i add.
don’t believe me? links below sucka face!:
Halo 3:
Auction ends: 10.24.2008
Value: $60.00
Sold for:$5.50
Successful bidder: tproia
Link: http://us.dubli.com/Xbox-360-Halo-3__3e_171?BArefno=5041019
iPod touch Leather Case
Auction ends: 11.17.2008
Start price: $28.00
Sold for:$14.00
Successful bidder:tproia
link: http://us.dubli.com/iPod-touch-Leather-Case__5e_303?BArefno=5041019
Apple iPod Touch 32 GB
Auction ends: 11.17.2008
Start price: $381.00
Sold for:$20.00
Successful bidder:tproia
Comment by t.proia | November 30th, 2008
link: http://us.dubli.com/Apple-iPod-Touch-32-GB__5e_339?BArefno=5041019
Garmin nuvi 760 GPS
Auction ends: 11.10.2008
Start price: $430.00
Sold for:$0.00
Successful bidder:tproia
link: http://us.dubli.com/Garmin-nuvi-760-GPS__7e_269?BArefno=5041019
Sony PlayStation 3 80GB
Auction ends: 10.31.2008
Start price: $450.00
Sold for:$0.00
Successful bidder:tproia
http://us.dubli.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-80GB__7e_229?BArefno=5041019
Comment by t.proia | November 30th, 2008
Grand Theft Auto IV
Auction ends: 11.10.2008
Value: $60.00
Sold for:$6.75
Successful bidder:tproia
http://us.dubli.com/Grand-Theft-Auto-IV__3e_182?BArefno=5041019
:O could you imagine that???? wow…it actually works! am i shocked??? Not at all…why? because i already knew Dubli was legit ( http://www.wickedlowprices.info for more info)
btw the PS3 and the GTA IV game was late so they ended up giving me 40 free credits total for the inconvenience…at .80 a credit that payed for shipping…and because i live in arizona all the products shipped in different size box’s only cost me $4.95 no matter the size of the product. mainly because the shipping price is determined by location not the size… so if you buy a car…you don’t get your pocket book raped.
Comment by t.proia | November 30th, 2008
sorry for all the posts…guess you cant post big comments.
Comment by eaglescout | November 30th, 2008
Hi t.proia, for the $3,000+ you paid for your DubLi “license” and gambling tokens that’s about the least they can do.
Doesn’t it seem odd to you that of the allegedly “hundreds of thousands” of DubLi customers you’ve won 6 items?
If DubLi is so big, how come just you and a handful of others have won the plurality of the prices?
Comment by Gene | December 1st, 2008
Come on you know the company just started in the US
and it is in a growing process. You have to start some
where. The point is it’s not how big it is now but what it will be. Can you imagine a car dealership with an empty lot?Oh come buy my oops. I mean, they have to have at least one car to start with. You think they get it for free?
Is that how you expect a licensed associate to work? Fact is it’s the best buy to come in at gold for $3,195 and you get 6,000 credits that your customers buy for 80 cents. Do the math. Unfortunately the company doesn’t give us an instant stock of customers that’s the associates job. But once established I can envision the business to be pretty much automatic. How cool is that? Keep your eyes open the shop will be coming. Where you can buy without credits and the associate still can make money. I mean that’s why we do the business, right? By the way we do have a car on the auction block now which we have in our virtual lot. LOL
Comment by Randy T | December 1st, 2008
This company will grow like many other MLM grow. Get people to buy memberships underneath you. YOu get residuals from their downline.
It’s a pyramid scheme rather than a good business plan for all people.
Comment by Gene | December 1st, 2008
If that’s what you think. They are not buying
memberships anyway. They are buying credits.
Do the Math.
Others know better.
Comment by t.proia | December 1st, 2008
lol eagle …did you happen to notice how dubli the auction site has ABSOULTLy NO ADVERTISEMENTS on there website about the business side? there not after business associates..
Comment by t.proia | December 1st, 2008
the SPINfactor is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone’s feelings or to avoid a punishment. To lie is to state something that one knows to be false or that one has not reasonably ascertained to be true with the intention that it be taken for the truth by oneself or someone else. A liar is a person who is lying, who has previously lied, or who tends by nature to lie repeatedly.
gotta love wiki
Comment by t.proia | December 1st, 2008
“Hi t.proia, for the $3,000+ you paid for your DubLi “license” and gambling tokens that’s about the least they can do.
Doesn’t it seem odd to you that of the allegedly “hundreds of thousands” of DubLi customers you’ve won 6 items?
If DubLi is so big, how come just you and a handful of others have won the plurality of the prices”
i did it myself bud, just like anyone else who goes out and buys something…they did it…not the company. btw…i only spent 300 credits… i dont think i did to bad…saved my money in my opinion..and the credits i bought are for others to TRY DUBLI as a CUSTOMER… if i wanna get promoted…its just like any other business…you have to have people under you..if your the last person to get hired you have to wait tell there is someone new..just like any other job, i got promoted at work a month ago at PRN Medical…and yes..its because there was someone new we brought on board.. oh might i add my boss and the owners of the company make allot more money than me…..i guess PRN medical and many other jobs are just another pyramid scheme… *sarcasm…
Comment by Gene | December 2nd, 2008
Well, I am looking for business associates. Once this
gets going it will be money in the bank for those who
take it seriously as what it is, a viable business, and work it.
Once set up you could be set up for life. Until and if something better comes along this is going to be a major competitor in the e-commerce world.
Comment by Charlie | December 2nd, 2008
I have to say this blog is fun! I am amazed that people say Mutlti Level marketing like it’s a bad thing, I’m 44 years old, and my Father was in Amway in 1970 and he retired at 40 years old making 6 figures for his entire life and he never went to any office or ever wore a name tag, My mother was with Mary kay Cosmetics for 20 years and always made 6 figures and drove a new pink caddilac every year, both my parents are gone and I still get checks from both companies, so laugh it up people there are more retired Network Marketing Millionaires than perhaps any business you can get into besides maybe Real Estate or Insurance, But this blog is fun!
Comment by Gene | December 2nd, 2008
Yes some of these folks are a little behind the times
aren’t they? I hope this is a differnt Charlie that’s
been posting on here. If you want to play with the money
you have join my auction site. Just click my name and you can find it there. I just looked and on the 5,000 dollar walmart gift voucher there is almost a 1,300 dollar savings. Better hurry!
Comment by Shannon | December 3rd, 2008
Can one of the Dubli associates answer my questions? I left a post last month (#110)
**0 bid auction** Where does all the money spent above and beyond the actual cost of the item go?
** Original bid auction** What if the item does not sell (no original bids), does everyone who bid get their money back? How can the general public be sure that Dubli is not pocketing the money when there are no “original bids”? How can we be sure that they are telling us the truth about the results?
Basically I am questioning the honesty of the company and their willingness to disclose where the money goes.
Please do not insult my intelligence in your answer (like I have seen in previous posts)or refer me to videos. I just want a simple/logical answer about their book keeping practices and verification that this is a legal way of doing business.
Comment by Gene | December 4th, 2008
Shannon,
Good Questions! Let me see what I can do.
This is all unofficial I am only an associate and just trying to help out.
First let me say that the paying of 80 cents isn’t the deal.
The deal is you take a chance when you pay 80 cents which you need to understand up front which isn’t redeemable and you forfeit for the chance to see the price and if you choose to buy the product you can and likely get a good deal. It will be at least 25 cents less than the listed price but of course you wouldn’t buy it yet if you wanted a good deal. You’d hang in there and try latter. But you could buy it still if you were going to buy say that camera anyhow. When you go to the store you spend your gas to buy that camera and probably at the retail price also. But with the company you just spend a credit to see if you might be able to buy at a greatly reduced price. In any case you are out the 80 cent bids you place. But say you spent 10 credits worth, what, 8 dollars and you save on a purchase 100 dollars.
Would it be worth it to you? That’s what you need to decide or
anyone who bids must decide because they may spend that 8 dollars and get nothing for it. If they choose not to buy at that time and someone else later bids and buys before you get another look. Every time you bid you can buy at that time if you wish. So you spend 8 dollars worth of credits and you save 25 dollars, well, it would be up to you if you want to buy. Just off set the 25 dollars with the 8 dollars you spent and it would be in reality a savings of 17 dollars but you played the game. There is some entertainment value here.
Now the shop is coming where you can just buy without credits which I’ll mention later.
1.**0 bid auction** Where does all the money spent above and beyond the actual cost of the item go?
answer. Zero Auction Each 25 cents of the 80 cents goes to pay down the item which goes to the seller. Right now it would be the company. The other 55 cents goes to the bonus pool for the associate and they get from 10 to 24% of that depending on their status or position in the downline. That could add up to a lot of profit because of the nature of the Internet with so many clicks. As people see how low the price is getting it starts to heat up and bids come in at a faster rate. Until the last 25 cents is spent and they have the option on the product at 0.
2.** Original bid auction** What if the item does not sell (no original bids), does everyone who bid get their money back? How can the general public be sure that Dubli is not pocketing the money when there are no “original bids”? How can we be sure that they are telling us the truth about the results?
answer I assume you mean Unique bid. If it doesn’t sell the
company gets the money that is derived from the 25 cents that are offered and the associate gets the 10 to 24% of the 55 cents spent from their customer base. Then I suppose the auction would start all over I don’t really know. I mean if the one with the unique bid didn’t claim it what can you do?
3.Basically I am questioning the honesty of the company and their willingness to disclose where the money goes.
Please do not insult my intelligence in your answer (like I have seen in previous posts)or refer me to videos. I just want a simple/logical answer about their book keeping practices and verification that this is a legal way of doing business.
I don’t have an answer about the book keeping in fact I have questioned the company about it myself. Haven’t gotten feed back yet. Customer service is still being set up in Dubi maned by Americans living there and should be up and running soon. But I don’t know how they would do that I suppose with each bid as you see the price they could have the list of bidders also. Maybe they will which would be a good idea but the fact is they are still creating ‘I think’ the software for a lot of the functions. I mean they have the basic stuff up. Reallise this is kind of a work in progress.The shop will be coming on maybe the first quarter of the new year where you can purchase without credits or bidding. Also a market place which I am not sure but it may be a place where you could put up your own products for sale. Someone correct me
if I am wrong.
Does that help. If not go to my site and give me a call. We can talk. I understand your concerns and they are reasonable.
Just click on Gene and it should take you to my site. Thanks to this blog.
Comment by Gene | December 4th, 2008
Realize what we have here.
Comment by Tim | December 4th, 2008
It’s obvious that those who are pro Dubli are paid employees of the company? Come on now - this is a scam. If it sounds to good to be true…
I have friends who have no money and they just bought into this - now I’m going to try to help them get their money back. I doubt it will work.
Comment by Gene | December 4th, 2008
Hey buddy you don’t even make sense.
Comment by Charlie | December 5th, 2008
I would bet any person watching this sight that “Tim” and “Eaglescout” are watching from a trailer or a special needs group home. I would also bet that they have a net worth of under $1000, Dubli is real I made $8,000 my first month and next month will be $10,000 or more, so enjoy your Hungry Man dinner, Because right now I’m pool side at my home in Maui! I love Morons, there’s something about them that makes it impossible to look away, like a terrible car accident.
Comment by eaglescout | December 7th, 2008
The fact that I’m replying to you from a trailer in a special needs facility, microwaving a “Hungry Man” dinner doesn’t change the information that has been presented to you.
Did someone say DubLi is not real? To whom are you writing, Charlie?
Comment by Kate32 | December 9th, 2008
Eaglescout:
2 very close friends of mine just signed up with Dubli and are trying to get me involved. The idea at first seemed brillant, but when I went to the website to read more about how it works I could see that the ideas were more convoluted then I had first thought.
I’m glad I found your site because the information you bring up is important to look at. There are some points that you make that I was not able to connect and was wondering if you could break it down a little more for me.
1. “So even if you have a “team” of players making guesses, and can afford 100 Euros to guess 200 numbers, you’ve only covered the range between 0 cents and 20 Euros. So if someone else bids 20.20 Euros, you just lost 100 Euros. So, you you select a high enough price that it could be unique, but low enough that you can win. You spend another credit on 41.20 just in case.”
Not following the math here. Also, are you using an extreme example to make a point? It seems that if I did not want to pay “x amount” for something, I certainly would not spend 100 euros bidding on it, knowing I would pay for the cost of the item plus it’s shipping. I would have stopped way before the 100 euros as the item would have lost it’s value. I think most people would do the same, no?
2. Is Dubli telling people that they are traded on the NYSE?
3. Are they a legit company? If they aren’t why hasn’t someone shut them down yet, especially with the track record they have in other countries? I know you mentioned something about gambeling laws being inconsistent, but that can’t be the only contingency keeping them out of trouble, right?
4. So are you saying that they are registered in Delaware? But they don’t bank in the US even when transacting business here? Is that legal? how can they be registered if they’re doing that?
5. you also mentioned Santi Fuentes who fled DubLi after failing to deliver on a promise to sell DubLi stock on the London Stock Exchange. I don’t see how this effects Dubli. To me this makes her out to be the scam artist, not dubli. Who did she fail to deliver to? Was is Dubli she failed or people who invested in Dubli?
I would really appreciate your feedback. It seems they’d be better off advertising as a gambeling site rather than e-commerece. Your right, if your selling nothing, it’s a scam. But, you can charge for providing a service and their service seems to be providing a place for people to gamble, then I suppose you can profit. I’m still not convinced on the legitimacy of the whole thing. Looking forward to your comments.
Sincerely,
Kate32
Comment by Sam Jones | December 9th, 2008
http://www.smartwinshop.com/DubLi%20Statement.html
Comment by Sam Jones | December 9th, 2008
Network marketing has and always will receive flack from people terming it a “scam” or “pyramid”. That is ok! People are entitled to their opinions. I have found that 99.99% of the time these statements are backed by zero substance, as they purely rely on the opinions of others. Sure, the blue collar 9 to 5 in most eyes is the prudent way to make a living. I cannot reject that belief, as millions rely on their guaranteed check and retirement to survive this difficult world. I respect the diligent minded. The entrepreneur mentality is not for everyone! But the network marketing business model offers a unique chance to supplement or replace your income. Just because it’s structured MLM, doesn’t make it illegal. Yes, there are pyramid schemes out there, but don’t blanket them all under one umbrella to prove your points; it only makes you sound ignorant, and de-edifies your position.
Personally, I think eaglescout is feeding off the energy behind the DubLi exposure. I have seen it happen so many times when a company is getting attention, the first to the plate to create a devil advocate forum wins. They all of a sudden become a leading authority in the industry, and their word is the “final say”. Be careful leaning on just the negative, because you can cheat yourself out of some really valuable opportunities. As with anything in the world, if you want to find negative, you will find it - guaranteed! If you find the most reputable network marketing companies in the world that represent the crème de le crème, I promise you they are spun as scams in different forums. Someone will craft a great argument and develop fabricated points to create a frenzy of negativity. Nobody really knows the agenda by the person who becomes the authority in a forum like this. exe - eaglescout. They will always make it appear they are in the best interest of the consumer.
As for DubLi! I don’t have a crystal ball! Nor do I claim to be a MLM prophet as implied by eaglescout. I would like to know what eaglescouts personal business accomplishments have been. I want your credibility to come to light. You are always retracting peoples comments by “show me your research”. You boldly make statements out loud in here, which have been proven to be false, as I posted above. Of course it’s coming from the company itself, but now it’s on you to prove otherwise. Why would anyone listen at that point if indeed you were completely wrong? Sure, some points being thrown out cause discomfort, especially if you are considering doing DubLi. But with any company, there will be the pros and cons. If you don’t truly know the business plan for the future, it’s easy to speculate right now and open up the can of worms to all the potential scenarios. Value to the customer will always be the main priority in a business model like DubLi. I would wholeheartedly agree! It’s the product, so value is necessary. But, what if DubLi consistently evolves the value to the end consumer, and ultimately transforms into an empire – with huge value across the board? This is the business plan “unknown” everyone must consider. Would you be disappointed to think a blog steered you away from it. Because one person made some bold statements that people hung their hopes on.
Seriously people, if your research ends with your conclusion from what you read in a blog, I pity you. That is not diligent, that is lazy! Sure, DubLi is in its infancy right now, and has some holes, but to blanket it as a ponzi or scam because eaglescout says so, is naïve. I personally feel the objectives are in place, and info I receive from “credible” people lean towards my instinct that DubLi will become a great company. Rival ebay? I am not going that far yet, but time will tell. In my opinion with listening to eaglescout, you need to be careful! But as I prefaced you, it’s only my opinion…And he is surely entitled to his!
Comment by eaglescout | December 9th, 2008
To Kate32,
“2 very close friends of mine just signed up with Dubli and are trying to get me involved. The idea at first seemed brillant, but when I went to the website to read more about how it works I could see that the ideas were more convoluted then I had first thought.”
It is presented as very simple, but as soon as you start asking relevant questions, it gets unnecessarily complicated.
“I’m glad I found your site because the information you bring up is important to look at. There are some points that you make that I was not able to connect and was wondering if you could break it down a little more for me.”
The idea here is that the unique auction is effectively the equivalent of spread-betting. At the time this was written, the DubLi website advertised credits for 0.50 Euros, and each credit could move the price 0.20 Euros (or in the case of the unique auction, it could fill a 0.20 Euro gap).
So if you wanted to cover the range between 0.20 Euros and 20 Euros, you would have to spend 5 DubLi credits per Euro covered. That would come out to 5 * 20 credits or 100 credits. But there is a mistake on one of the numbers: if you had spent 200 credits, you would be able to cover the range from 0.20 to 40. (and not 0.20 to 20 as originally specified).
“Not following the math here. Also, are you using an extreme example to make a point? It seems that if I did not want to pay “x amount” for something, I certainly would not spend 100 euros bidding on it, knowing I would pay for the cost of the item plus it’s shipping. I would have stopped way before the 100 euros as the item would have lost it’s value. I think most people would do the same, no?”
Most likely that would be the case, if you realized you still have to pay for the item. But if people buy into the hype too quickly, they probably don’t know that.
“2. Is Dubli telling people that they are traded on the NYSE?”
I don’t think so. But they have been promising that they will trade on the London Stock Exchange. There are multiple articles (”press releases”) that promise they will in 2009. They promised the same in 2006.
See http://ezinearticles.com/?DubLi-Auctions-and-Non-Profits&id=1491720
3. “Are they a legit company? If they aren’t why hasn’t someone shut them down yet, especially with the track record they have in other countries? I know you mentioned something about gambeling laws being inconsistent, but that can’t be the only contingency keeping them out of trouble, right?”
There are too many ways to answer whether they are a legitimate company. In the sense that they are registered, they are legitimate. In the sense that their practices are convoluted and misleading, my opinion is that they are not. But the law, ethics, and actual practice do not coincide perfectly, so they may well operate under the law and still be deceitful; for example, they advertise gambling as auctions. Or for example, they make significantly more money from their promoters than from the actual products (gambling), which means the products are just a front.
“4. So are you saying that they are registered in Delaware? But they don’t bank in the US even when transacting business here? Is that legal? how can they be registered if they’re doing that?”
That’s perfectly legal as a Delaware Limited Liability Company or Corporation. It’s one of the benefits of registering in Delaware.
“5. you also mentioned Santi Fuentes who fled DubLi after failing to deliver on a promise to sell DubLi stock on the London Stock Exchange. I don’t see how this effects Dubli. To me this makes her out to be the scam artist, not dubli. Who did she fail to deliver to? Was is Dubli she failed or people who invested in Dubli?”
Santi Fuentes could well be an isolated incident in DubLi’s history, but looking at the Denmark bankruptcy, and the affiliations of the other DubLi executives, the trend is that they are all scam artists.
“I would really appreciate your feedback. It seems they’d be better off advertising as a gambeling site rather than e-commerece.”
That was one of my first thoughts after I noticed the gambling elements, except they make more money from their promoters.
“Your right, if your selling nothing, it’s a scam. But, you can charge for providing a service and their service seems to be providing a place for people to gamble, then I suppose you can profit.”
I agree with you. It’s just the gambling accounts for a very small percentage of their profits.
Don’t get me wrong, I think they have the right to sell a service, not matter how backwards it is. But I figure if they are going to misrepresent the value of the service, they are not being all that ethical.
“I’m still not convinced on the legitimacy of the whole thing. Looking forward to your comments.
Sincerely,
Kate32″
Thank you for your comments. They are unbelievably open-minded and refreshing. Instead of feeling defensive, I feel like we are figuring things out. Look forward to your response.
Comment by Gene | December 9th, 2008
Sure talk a lot of nonsense trying to pollute the waters. I think all of this has been covered. Every issue here.
Everyone doesn’t have to wear the same shoes. Nor does everyone like horse shoes. If you don’t like a game of chance fine. Click your heals. Come the first of the year or so if you only spend your free credits and don’t like the auctions or the great deals there just go to the shop and you don’t need to buy any credits to get great deals. They sure like beating a dead horse here. You’re not going to stop it as I can see it.
Comment by Tenderfoot | December 10th, 2008
To eaglescout:
I am not here to argue, but figure things out. I try to have an open mind, because an open mind is like a parachute, if it isn’t open it doesn’t work.
First I would like to know if you think there are any good MLM companies out there.
I know not all people will make it in MLM’s and it is probably impossible for that to happen, that is why there is a lot a negativity about them. It is a business model (not a perfect one) that people can try with very little risk that can help make a few extra dollars a month. A few extra dollars can go a long way in a household. I feel people should know what they are getting into and not fall into the trap that this will fulfill all their dreams. The risk to open your own business can ruin a family. “Two-thirds of new employer establishments survive at lease two years, and 44 percent survive at least four years.” (SBC) I don’t want to take out a business loan in this economy and I don’t have time for another full time job.
http://www.businessknowhow.com/startup/business-failure.htm
Also, my friend and I were going to do DubLi together because we both have kids and want to keep our wives at home with them, because we feel that is important to us. Plus, doing it together minimizes risk and helps grow it quicker. Yes, we could downscale to a smaller house or apartment, so we can live on one income, but because of the economy we cannot sell our homes without ruining us financially. We are stuck. I know you will comment that this doesn’t have anything to do with DubLi.
Many networks you also have to spend large amounts of time away from home at night, with DubLi it gives you a chance to work a lot more at home.
Yes, DubLi is gambling, but it looks they are trying to find a niche in the market. No, it will not replace ebay, but maybe it can get a 5-10% of ebay customers. I don’t have the statistics to back it up, but I have heard that ebay had 30 million customers in the last year and that number is growing. If you think gambling is bad, then I understand. If you watch the World Serious of Poker on TV you will notice it is a fast growing and major place for internet advertising (poker sites). Yes, DubLi is calling it a reverse auction, but that is their marketing campaign to rival ebay. I took some marketing in college and part of marketing is being unique and putting a twist on things. For instance, why is your website call The Spin Factor? Great name by the way.
One definition for spin is: Slang. to cause to have a particular bias; influence in a certain direction: His assignment was to spin the reporters after the president’s speech.
One definition of Factor is: one of the elements contributing to a particular result or situation
It seems like all MLM’s never have everything worked out in the beginning and it takes the while to work all the kinks out. Everything is always hearsay and it looks risky. Yes, it is true that getting in earlier with a MLM is better because of a more open market and in the early stages it seems risky because it always looks like a scam and sometimes is.
I also have found that you can find negative on everything in the internet. It is like the bathroom wall anyone can write on it. I also have noticed that the MLM’s that are consumer based seem to make it. Companies like Mary Kay, Herbalife, Primerica provide something that the consumers are still buying.
I know I maybe me wrong, but DubLi seems like they are using network marketing to get thier business started faster than ebay. Word of mouth (or by internet), especially when they are paying people is fast and cheap advertising. That is also why so many companies have outside sales reps. It seems like it would be good to get in early, help promote it and then eventually if will just become consumer based like ebay. It would be similar to buying stock on Starbucks or Microsoft before they became big. Who would have known a small little coffee shop in Seattle would turn into the McDonalds of coffee. Shareholders got in early and benefited, but they took a risk. From the DubLi distributors I have met they are getting in early and promoting it with that hopes that it will grow and eventually they will make money off the consumer base. If DubLi is still around in 10 years people will probably never know it started out as a network.
Network marketing can be a way to change some things in your life (hopefully for the positive) with little risk. What would be you suggestion for making more money with small risk, especially in this economy.
I want to ask you a few things and I am not doing it to make you mad. I am really curious because I know there is bias in everything we read or hear. Does the spin factor make money off of its advertisements and how many people visit the site? Also, do you get more feedback on negativity or positive information? I just want to know if your comments to the DubLi distributors are intended to throw more wood on the fire? It makes for interesting reading. I have to say I think a couple of these DubLi distributors have a good outlook and good intentions, but the majority of them are very angry and those distributors are just making me less attracted to it.
I am trying to have a healthy outlook on this situation, but from what I have gathered you think DubLi is doomed. Isn’t anything in the back of your mind that thinks this might work? Once a scam artist, always a scam artist? One issue I see is when there becomes so many consumers that the odds of the prices dropping to 50% below retail price it will be slim odds, because there will always be someone out there who will buy it for only 10% off. I am talking about the express auction.
Anyways, I am curious to hear your comments.
Thanks, Rob aka Tenderfoot
Comment by Gene | December 10th, 2008
Yes that’s just one auction but I see it the other way around. Once saturated those who want to buy at the say 10% to 20% off are still getting a good deal but the time will come when the price falls the early buyers will be satisfied and the others will let the prices fall and buy, not so much because they want it, but because of the good deal. Remember once a product sells the same item will come right back up at full price and the cycle starts all over again. Time will tell. So chances at a better deal could be in the greater numbers.
Comment by eaglescout | December 12th, 2008
From Sam Jones,
That may be the case, but I’m not discussing network marketing. I’m discussing DubLi.
I hope you are not suggesting that paying DubLi $3000 for a webpage is entrepreneurial.
Nobody is making the claim that a structured MLM is automatically illegal.
I’m not blanketing pyramid schemes under one umbrella to prove my points. Instead, my evidence based on DubLi shows that DubLi (and only DubLi) is misrepresenting its gambling and lotteries (games of chance) as auctions; that its terms are convoluted and misleading; that it has a bad reputation in Spain, and that its “product” has little if any value.
I think so, too. That’s why I have listed Michael Hansen and DubLi as my sponsors.
That’s true.
Some forums might develop fabricated points. Others might resort to real evidence. For example, Michael Hansen claims he has never been involved in any bankruptcies, and invented the false assertion that there is no evidence.
On the other hand, we at The Spin Factor produced the evidence. Now, both Michael Hansen and ourselves created a frenzy of negativity. But our negativity was based on evidence.
Not always. I also enjoy proving people wrong when they are lying. I also enjoy good satire. I might deliberately employ exaggerations for the sake of humor, and not necessarily for the best interest of the consumer; but sometimes humor gets the point across better.
I don’t know exactly what will happen with DubLi, but I can make good guesses based on the research I have done.
Thing is, I don’t need to be ‘personally’ credible if I can cite my research. A better question is whether my sources are credible.
I can’t retract other people’s comments; only they can do it. I do ask people to show their research. I don’t see anything wrong with asking for evidence or logical consistency.
I did.
I agree. They should look for evidence. Fortunately I’ve saved people some time by finding public records that they can read.
I agree.
Can you clarify?
I would be interested in that information. Where can I get it?
Comment by Gene | December 13th, 2008
More scamapedia eaglescout. Can you even believe yourself? LOL
How many M Hansens do you think are out there? As far as I know the guy with the company is clean.
Comment by Gene | December 13th, 2008
Another erroneous assertion is that one pays $3,000.00 to get into the company. Really if one wants to do business they must have credits and the best way to get in is at the gold level because you get the best discount on them which in turn you sell to your customers so they can bid in the auctions. The unique thing is with each bid the price goes down. They figured out how to make it work. One can also become an associate for just under an $800.00 purchase of credits. You have to have the credits to do business as an associate. The company provides the tools to have your own online business with the web sites, the auctions, the shop and the marketplace. We get all of this set up for us. Come on have a brain. Have you ever tried to get set up on ebay? You have to have a product you have to have some kind of credit you have to be able to accept credit cards you have to ship your products and on and on and on. There’s a lot of hoops to go through but not with our company. It’s all set up, it’s so simple. The company takes care of all that for you. How easy could it get? What’s the big deal. Your welcome to join me, just click on my name.
Comment by eaglescout | December 13th, 2008
Hi Gene,
How much will you pay me join your downline?
Comment by Sam Jones | December 14th, 2008
Eaglescout! My positions with MLM were stated on the content of the blog comments from others, not on your personal opinions about DubLi. So don’t personalize points I made, as I targeted others in here who were also apart of the mix. I am nipping the MLM conversation in the butt before anymore ignorance is shared that persuades the naive on the business model itself, seperate of DubLi. Thanks for clarifying the rest of my comments. As for me, “I personally feel”, and “my instincts that DubLi will become a great company”, are held in reserve at the moment. I will disclose with time once the timing is right. Since this forum seems to get big attention from people doing research, I will gladly post everything in here. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Comment by Gene | December 14th, 2008
I won’t pay you to join. You can come in when you buy your credits and do business just like I had to do and everyone else does.
You are still welcome to join me.
Comment by eaglescout | December 14th, 2008
Then why should I join your downline and not someone else’s downline?
Comment by Gene | December 14th, 2008
Well if you can find someone to pay you to come in that’s great. Then you can do the same if you think that’s good business.
Comment by eaglescout | December 14th, 2008
It’s not. So why would I pay someone else join my downline?
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
Good question. You have an answer?
Comment by eaglescout | December 15th, 2008
Maybe Dean Mannheimer knows.
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
You’re the only one wanting something for nothing!
Why don’t you see if Dean will help you.
Comment by Steve | December 15th, 2008
DubLi is new to the U.S. market. Reverse Auctions are not however, to find out why DubLi has a business model that has worked, and will work, go to http://www.MyDubliShop.com
Let the customers drive the price down. Great model.
Comment by eaglescout | December 15th, 2008
Hi Gene,
It’s not something for nothing. It’s nothing for something. I figure, if I’m going to lose my money to Dean and Michael, they should pay me.
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
Why don’t you pay me for you to join?
Comment by eaglescout | December 15th, 2008
Because I don’t get anything out of it.
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
You would get credits to bid in the auctions and the option to buy products at greatly reduced prices. Plus you would be able to do business with others so they could do the same. I have offered you free credits to try the auctions haven’t I?
That’s the closest I would come to paying you to join.
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
I can imagine your response. NO I will stick my head in the sand before I try your auctions for FREE!
Comment by eaglescout | December 15th, 2008
I don’t want credits. How much without the credits?
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
You can’t do the auctions without credits. Haven’t you been reading the blog? That’s how they work so well.
Comment by eaglescout | December 15th, 2008
I don’t want to buy the credits. I just want to sell them for a commission.
Why do I need to buy them if I can’t sell them at full price?
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
Well, you have to have them to sell them. You can sell them at full price. That’s just the way the company does it.
If you are selling on ebay don’t you have to have the products you are going to sell first? Doesn’t McDonalds have burgers to sell and fries and shakes?
Heres the thing. Just register on my auction site and when the shop comes you can buy to your hearts content without credits.
Comment by eaglescout | December 15th, 2008
But if I’m going to get a commission, why do I need to buy credits?
Yes, but then you pay a small commission to eBay, not the other way around.
Yes, but there aren’t 100 McDonald’s all back-to-back in the same mall selling the same thing.
Comment by Gene | December 15th, 2008
So what does 100 McDonalds back to back sell the same thing in a mall have to do with anything? LOL
Comment by eaglescout | December 16th, 2008
It means that if there were McDonald’s franchises all over the mall there would be a surplus of burgers and their price would come down.
Same with DubLi credits. Except Michael Hansen can create as many credits as he wants, making each one less valuable.
As it is, they are only worth about 25 cents each, and typically less in the unique-bid auction. That’s at least a 256% markup and on average a 320% markup.
Comment by Gene | December 16th, 2008
But there isn’t is there? A McDonald’s back to back in a mall nor with the company I represent.
I guess we need a little lesson in economics don’t we? Mark up this.
The 25 cents you mentioned is considered in lowering the price with each bid of 80 cents. You fail to consider the remaining 55 cents and is put into a bonus pool for the associate. If we are comparing with McDonald’s franchises there is no way that this company has that many yet, but it could be some time. Even if it does come to that, it’s not the same because of the nature of the Internet factor where in every major city there could be dozens of associates and there still would be a business for them. We sell much more then burgers. We have a shop coming. Now we didn’t even mention some associates in small towns or rural areas and this will be world wide. Once you get your customers they are yours for life. How many eBay sellers do you think there are? Is it over saturated? Maybe they could be compared to your mall with more accuracy. But it doesn’t make any difference everyone can make money.
McDonald’s has more competition then we do. There’s other Burger places competing. Besides they all make more money on the drinks than the burgers. I haven’t seen a burger sold on the Internet yet have you? We don’t have any competition with our reverse auctions! They may come and that’s the nature of free enterprise but we don’t have that yet.
It doesn’t work the same as creating money. But it could be linked to money as the value falls or rises but that’s across the board for any business. That would be the only link. If credits were simply created someone would have to pay to lower the price of the product and pay the associate. It’s all worked out.
Comment by Ricardo | December 16th, 2008
Fantastic…very Interesting…I am looking at Dubli and i ahve to say I learned a lot …both ways.
Thanks
Ricardo
Comment by GlobalTradingPatron | December 16th, 2008
Wow. I never thought that I would ever make it through this entire controversy. Yes, I am a Dubli Gold member and I wanted to find out what was out here on the Internet to persuade or disuade people from joining. I cannot conclusively decide one way or another who is telling the truth here. EagleScout (Of which I am one too) seems to keep his cool much better than others which disturbs me. If Dubli is so good then present the true facts about it and let the facts talk, don’t get angry and demeaning… that just makes you look less credible… It is interesting to me that Dubli has come out with statements against these eaglescout’s posts. Thanks to Sam for letting us know about that in Post 156. I am not sure what to conclude. I bought into the Dubli concept and I want it to succeed. The problem is that if Dubli doesn’t stay clear with its vision of excellent customer service then people like “Suckered Again” will complain to the FBI and they will shut it down anyway whether or not it was legitimate. The founders have to be ethical and stay true to their business associates and to their customers, work out the kinks and do their best. Tom’s video about Dubli being the “perfect storm” is amazing: http://www.smartwinshop.com/The%20Perfect%20Storm%2011-13-08.html The story is that Dubli contacted Tom to help market Dubli with a new concept called the “Cinch”. Doesn’t the Cinch make sense? I was not aware that Dubli collapsed in Spain and Denmark…I want to do more research on that…sometime we learn that when we take one steps forward we take two steps back. Does a bankruptsy and failure in one country prove that the company cannot learn and grow toward eventual success? I believe that what I am hearing from Dubli is visionary as far as marketing, as far as doing business on the Internet virally and with the Cinch, as far as getting consumers a great value on products. There will be enough people to use the auctions and the games eventually such that it will leverage the enormous and vast number of users on the Internet…people, only bid on the things that you actually want…look at the price and buy if you want it. I am excited about Dubli…I appreciate that there is another side and that eagleScout is trying to help us take a close look at what Dubli is in his mind, but Dubli’s concepts are perfect for the Internet to leverage the masses of people on the Internet, to get brand new, warranteed products for less than retail. Research the facts. I understand where you are going with the math, eaglescout, but over time there will be many more consumers than business “owners” in Dubli and those mathematical calculations will not hold in the Xpress auctions. The only way I will be wrong on this is if people continue to buy into naysayers and if Dubli does not improve and maintain its good customer service. If either of those things continue, then what you are suggesting about Dubli’s immenent death will occur. So all of you Pro Dubli people out there, stay close to Dubli and fight for the great customer service that we deserve. It will benefit us and Dubli in the long run because none of us want to see Dubli die like eagleScout predicts.
On another note I must say that eagleScout’s example of Joseph Smith was totally out of sorts. Joseph didn’t get to keep the Gold anyway, he translated the Holy words of prophets from the Gold plates into English so that we could have it in the current “Book of Mormon”: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/contents Joseph Smith was a noble man of great character and should not be used as an example when you are trying to make something look like a fraud. I am a member of the church Joseph Smith organized and though this may not be the appropriate forum for this discussion I would like to clear his name that he did not get any financial gain from having the Golden Book. BTW: There were at least 11 others who saw the book and testified of its existence, so it really did exist. Thanks again for your forum and I hope that it will help people come to a good conclusion for themselves and their families. For me, I am going to continue running with Dubli and hope that it will last for a long, long time. Have a great day!
Comment by GlobalTradingPatron | December 17th, 2008
BTW: The Joseph Smith stuff I am referring to is in another one of Eaglescout’s forums: http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2008/11/03/dubli-is-not-registered-in-delaware/
Comment by eaglescout | December 17th, 2008
Sorry about the veiled criticism on Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith didn’t keep the gold plates, but he did earn a lot of money from tithe, which some people consider was motivated by fraud.
Also, if you use math to measure the weight of the golden plates, the calculation comes out to 200 pounds. This means he couldn’t have carried them around with him and jumped over logs as described by him.
Comment by eaglescout | December 17th, 2008
So then it’s not an erroneous assumption. It’s correct.
Again, these credits are highly marked up.
No, but the same principle applies.
Yes, after you pay for it. In other words, you pay for your own bonus - and then *maybe* you get it.
Everyone can make money on DubLi. Only Michael Hansen will make a profit. There is a difference between a possibility and a probability. And your probability of coming out ahead is only very low by design.
Yes you do. You compete with every DubLi cross-line; and you compete with state-lotteries, bingo, and online gambling.
No, this is one of the major reasons why it works out like a scam. Most people purchase the credits as a license, not as “auction” play money.
It might work out for a few months, but then people will realize they’ve lost 97% of their investment.
However, I can see that you are beginning to think for yourself.
Comment by GlobalTradingPatron | December 17th, 2008
Here is an interesting article about tumbaga, a material used in ancient America which has the appearance of Gold which could explain how the plates Joseph Smith had were lighter and he could have definitely jumped over trees with a 53 to 86 lbs object instead of 200.
http://www.mormonfortress.com/gweight.html
Anyway, thank you for acknowledging that your example was a veiled criticism on Joseph Smith. I appreciate that.
Comment by Gene | December 17th, 2008
Eagle everyone can see you don’t know what you are talking about.
Comment by Gene | December 17th, 2008
Let’s also be honest eagle you have your own agenda.
I don’t think it’s honorable either.
Comment by Gene | December 17th, 2008
We don’t have any competition with our reverse auctions!
What didn’t you understand about this?
Comment by eaglescout | December 18th, 2008
I’m not sure what you are talking about.
Everyone has an agenda; that doesn’t mean I’m lying. What exactly is dishonorable about showing that Michael Hansen is a liar?
Yes you do. I just explained it to you in comment #192.
Comment by eaglescout | December 18th, 2008
I didn’t know Michael Hansen was lying about me either. I’m glad Sam put that up.
“Suckered Again”’s situation didn’t have anything to do with customer service. He/She said it had to do with not getting paid as expected.
No, but it strongly suggests it, and the fact that Michael Hansen lied about publicly available records, shows that perhaps he hasn’t changed.
The Xpress calculations will hold regardless of the number of customers. DubLi can never earn money from Xpress auctions unless they mark up the price to 125% of market value.
Comment by Gene | December 18th, 2008
Why is 125% a magic number? You like to pull things out
of a hat don’t you?
I will see what I can do to help you understand.
Eagle is a poor twister of the facts.
One good example is when I said,
“We don’t have any competition with our reverse auctions!”
He went about to spin something that is obviously incongruant that there is compitition within the company. Sure, that is a given. If you look at it that way McDonalds has competition with ifself. How foolish.
What you all must know is that I meant outside the company there isn’t any others that are able to compete with our (reverse autions).
Eagle says, I hope you are not suggesting that paying DubLi $3000 for a webpage is entrepreneurial.
Nobody is paying $3,000 just for a web page that’s ludicrous as I pointed out.
One gets 6,000 credits when you come in at gold and are sold for 80 cents a piece. You sell them so your customers can do the auctions. If you’re not into sales then maybe try something else. But once you establish a business it can be automatic. Just like the customers walking in and out of the big departments stores doing business. At least that’s how I see it. But of course when any new venture starts we have these guys calling it a scam.
He also overgeneralises when talking about two countries that may not have worked out and ignores the success of the many others.
Comment by eaglescout | December 18th, 2008
Not really. Go read about it
In the Xpress auction, if DubLi sets the starting price to market value then someone will grab it before it gets discounted. That means DubLi made 80 cents from one “bid” but lost the entire price of the item.
They have to set the price higher, or there won’t be enough bids to pay for the item.
I already mentioned state lotteries and online gambling. They offer the same services, and in the case of gambling, you usually lose less money.
That’s right. It wouldn’t be a good idea to put up four of them at every corner of an intersection.
So you are paying 50 cents for credits that are worth 25 cents or less, and where does the extra 30 cents go?
Not always.
Which ones, Germany and…?
Also, I wasn’t generalizing about countries. I was discussing the trends. Are you aware that almost every DubLi executive has been involved in fraudulent schemes? Read up on Ubifone and Carlos Oestby.
Comment by Gene | December 19th, 2008
Wow I didn’t know that so you think they’ll run off with my money?
Comment by Robbie | December 19th, 2008
“Which ones, Germany and…?”
Hi eaglescout,
Didn’t you get my e-mail? Dubli is NOT a success in Germany. Never was and - let me shake this crystal ball - never will be, unless they come up with some groundbreaking concept, which I seriously doubt. Right now hardly anyone knows about them, they’re not being discussed anywhere on the German Internet (you can find a few older discussions on message boards), they’re simply not happening.
I think this whole discussion is hilarious, you’re incredibly patient. Keep up the good work.
Robbie, Germany
Comment by Gene | December 19th, 2008
Wow again. You mean I should stop my business right now and never promote this concept here again that seems to be taking off so well. Everyone is so incredibly patient. Well we’ll have to see how this goes in the US. I figure I’ll give it a try for awhile after all I came in as gold and I do have a lot of customers now and the auctions seem to be going fine. I just ordered something myself and hope to get it before Christmas. Shoot I may be laughing all the way to the bank.
Comment by eaglescout | December 20th, 2008
Hi Robbie, I did not receive your email.
I don’t really believe DubLi is a success in Germany. I was just playing along to make a different point.
I think the discussion is hilarious, too.
I’m fairly certain DubLi’s only customers are DubLi’s promoters. All 57 of them.
The only person making money off DubLi this Christmas is Michael Hansen.
By the way, Gene, there are many “M Hansens”, but only one Michael Brudevold Hansen.
Do I think they’ll run off with your money? No. They don’t need to because they already have it.
Comment by Gene | December 21st, 2008
So what’s your name?
Comment by Name | December 21st, 2008
Oh I guess I will have to work the business. As you say they’ve got my money. They haven’t run off and hid yet. I did pay for the credits. And as you say we do have a lot of competition. Where did you come up with the figure 57? If that’s the case then I don’t have a lot of competition cross line. LOL Sounds like you’re coming around and admitting we do have a viable business. Click on Name!
Comment by Robbie | December 21st, 2008
Hi again,
I used the address iSpin@thespinfactor.com. Hm, maybe it got into a spam folder?
Gene, I don’t want to tell you what you should or should not do. I just wanted to point out that the ‘German success story’, like many other so called pro-Dubli facts in this case, wasn’t exactly the truth.
Comment by eaglescout | December 21st, 2008
Hi Gene, I already responded to Michael Hansen’s false allegations
And I already explained how I came up with 57. Look it up.
Comment by Name | December 21st, 2008
You can’t make up your mind now can you?
Doesn’t McDonald’s compete with the company?
Remember I said that the company doesn’t have any competion and you agree with me and then you change your mind.
HOW can anyone take you seriously? Hmm
Comment by Name | December 21st, 2008
As I reviewed your link didn’t you say,
For obvious competitive reasons? I’m still waiting to find out what those are. Who competes with DubLi anyway?
Comment by eaglescout | December 22nd, 2008
Hi Gene,
Who says McDonald’s competes with DubLi?
No, Gene. I responded to Michael Hansen’s false allegations on December 10th, as soon as I found out he had written his publicly verifiable lies.
The “conversation” with you was on December 15th.
So, in fact, I haven’t changed my mind. You just have poor comprehension skills.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. Do you understand what a rhetorical question is?
This is in reference to the claims that I must work for eBay.
The truth is DubLi doesn’t pose a threat to eBay, because DubLi doesn’t do auctions.
“Who competes with DubLi anyway?” is a rhetorical question. In essence I am saying DubLi is so puny that nobody needs to compete with them, so even if I was in league with eBay, Michael Hansen’s implication doesn’t make any sense.
More importantly you didn’t even read the sentence correctly. I am asking why would *I* (or anyone for that matter) need to compete with DubLi?
Do you get it?
Comment by Name | December 22nd, 2008
Right, read my lips, why would you need to have all this rhetoric if you’re not worried about this puny company? You seem to be hyper sensitive about it.
Yes in fact the company is small but you keep making it larger than life. It is in it’s infancy here. Why not give it a chance to prove itself as a major competitor in the US? Which it may very well be.
I don’t think my comprehension is in question. Attack the man. Yes I discovered you already agreed with me before I made the statement and then you changed your mind while tackling the inconstancy with me. Even though you claim a rhetorical question as you say it is in fact a statement of your belief at that time. You did go on to use McDonald’s as a metaphor. Intimating there is so much competition with the company as to dissuade any further promotion as if the company was at it’s saturation point. From Dec 10 to Dec 15 at which point I made my statement, that there is no competition with our reverse auctions you did suggest earlier, Who need compete with Them, as if the company is a fly on the wall and with your conversances with me you kind of flipped? But spin on your way Robbie with your scamapedia.
So do you get it?
Comment by eaglescout | December 23rd, 2008
No, your comprehension is not in question. I already *know* your comprehension is at the third grade level.
Please read the entire internet and come back when you are done.
Comment by Name | December 23rd, 2008
Well now, I could point out the same advantages for you, so go ahead and follow your own instruction. Because you are attacking something you know very little about. You must be a person with too much time on their hands. You pull numbers out of a hat. You make up stats. You lie about people.
You change your mind. You confuse events. So who has a problem with comprehension? Many of us are trying to do a good business and you attempt very feebly to destroy. Anyone can see what you’re doing. I don’t know where these people come from that give you kudos, it’s ridiculous. Click name to see what’s coming and check the last link. Here’s the thing. See if we are not competitive. You may be looking to buy something anyhow. Look around and see what you want, price it else where and bid here. If you want a business that’s going places join me. You can register for free.
Comment by eaglescout | December 23rd, 2008
Still waiting for an example. Read through this page and see how many times you’ve been proven wrong about:
1) Michael Hansen’s multiple bankruptcies.
2) Everything else.
I taught you everything you know about DubLi, remember? You are just a very poor student.
Are you done reading the Internet? If not, why are you still here?
Comment by Name | December 23rd, 2008
You have enough examples right here.
Comment by snooseyouloose | December 24th, 2008
Hi eaglescout.
Keep up the good work. True business people know all about Dubli and the 30.000 Internet Paparazzi from 1Cellnet, Ubifone, Dubli and now Zaptowin do not care about the normal people looking for legitimate business. I promise you that most of those guys that play the trumpet here are nothing else like being part of a constant 20.000-30.000 strong CONTEAM.
You have the support of many true business people that are 100% in agreement with you and your observations and investigations.
If you need any further support please do not hesitate to get in touch with me since I am personally proud that you have balls to fight them.
And for all the Dubli Trumpet players, Wake up stop promoting fraud. You will not be the first and not be the last that will get locked up for your action. And everything you write to make a positive impact to support Dublie will be presented to you when you stand up for your action in front of the judge in your own country.
The Leaders already leaving the boat and started the next one. Zaptowin and/or Zappadeal, you be surprised how quick they are leaving the sinking boat.
BTW the Authorities that are looking into the past 8-10 years of the involved peoples record are calculating a massive 200 Mio USD and more fraud. So this will be fun to observe and not so much fun for the thousands of true people that have made to believe and are willingly ignorant to the truth.
Comment by Name | December 24th, 2008
Hey buddy your art of deception is apparent here with all the other ridiculous kudos. The company has a decent business plan and there is no fraud. Where did you come from? I guess we won’t bother with your business. Why are you involving yourself with the eagle’s fraud? I just got a gift for my son over the weekend and got it Monday. Sure I use the company and why not. It works. Happy holidays.
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Comment by Charlie | December 26th, 2008
Aloha Eaglescout, I do admire your patience, last time I posted i intentially tried to get a rise out of you and it didn’t work so you are obviously a person of intelligence. My situation is I bought into Dubli for $800 U.S. which immediately gave me 1100 Dubli credits which I used to explore the Express Aution site I bought a Nano Ipod for $5.00 plus $5.00 Shipping then I purchased a Bose surround sound Ipod charger for $1.00 and $15.00 Shipping and then I purchased a sony hanycam for $25.00 plus $15.00 shipping. The items arrived at my home 72 hours via UPS and I Love my Presents for myself. I also have a business opportunity for my $800, so not counting the money I’ve already made, I feel I’m already ahead for the money I’ve invested. I’m sorry if people are having negative experiences with Dubli but so far I’m loving it! As far as the Genius who said we’re all going to be locked up, You’re simply an idiot, just a good old fashioned moron nothing more and i believe McDonalds is accepting applications, Good Luck!
Comment by eaglescout | December 26th, 2008
Hi Charlie; I doubt you’ll be locked up, but I would be wary of business opportunities where you end up buying most of your own product. You mention purchasing a Nano Ipod for 5 dollars at the Xpress auction? I really don’t mean to sound negative, but why didn’t someone snap it up at $5.25 or even at $10.00?
Comment by Charlie | December 27th, 2008
Truthfully, I’ve been asking alot of questions like that, and I’m not getting the answers I’d like. For now I’m holding off on anything Dubli until I learn more, time will certainly tell all. Furthermore it did cost me about 1000 dubli credits to get those prices, so if I had bought those credits (Actually I did by joining) the whole shopping spree would have cost me about $800, it was sort of a take the money and run idea for me.
Comment by Gene | December 28th, 2008
It’s going to be exciting when thousands are using the company. Even millions of people. A real on line business!
We’re just getting started. I ordered a scooter for my son on the xpress auction. Used one credit. Got it before Christmas.
Came right to my door.
Comment by Visman | December 28th, 2008
With no physical presence in South Africa, why would Dubli SPAM, since I never invited them localy?
Or would they be using their profits to set up base here? I sincerely do not think they would get far, maybe a few might be conned. Why buy my own business products to make money from my own money spent? Where is the profit in that?
Fact is, I looked through the site. Too many unanswered questions … Smelled a rat, followed up and for sure will not invest.
But it is also true, people will always defend their own bad decisions, we all make them some time or another, just some come at a cost …
Regards
Visman
Pretoria
South Africa
Comment by Visman | December 28th, 2008
Some maybe non beneficial information …
I operate my own business in the legal arena after having made some of my own bad decisions. Ex SA Police officer. Now chairing disciplinary hearings for business owners. Yup the bad guy that fires all the innocent employees.
If I had to chair this hearing?
Sorry but …
The chairperson on a balance of probabilities can advice only one sanction after comparing all the probabilities and facts …
Summary dismissal for Dubli with immediate effect!
The chairperson
Comment by Name | December 28th, 2008
Yes I would agree for a summary dismissal for the company. Yes this blog should have a real case against the company by now but does it really? We have no real matters of law or facts presented against the company. Just look at all the links yourself and you be the judge. Much hearsay and innuendos are presented. Little in the way of facts.
This is a company with a great plan to be a part of for anyone serious in making good money honestly with a perfectly legal business on the Internet with quality products such as you’d find in any of the other auction sites. In fact if you are an associate why would you want to buy at any other auction sites because you’re not likely to get a better deal even if you have to spend some credits doing it. This company is not a bad investment and could be virtually automatic once you’ve set it up. It will be world wide. But don’t take my word for it. I guess one has to figure it out for themselves, but don’t take too long. Again look at all the info and links then get to the bottom of it for yourself.
Comment by Dubli-h8r | December 28th, 2008
Dear Eaglescout,
Please contact me via email at chrisrock1337@yahoo.com
I have a uncle who is a dubli promoter, he has been in many scams ( pyramid schemes) such as earth-link and mona vie. He got most of my family selling mona vie, and is now i guess onto this new scam dubli. He came to me the other day, showing me the dubli website. Convincing me its a money saving website but he must of thought i was stupid to buy into his bullsh!t. He emailed me some credits and told me to show the website to my friends,(which i never did). After some research i figured out what dubli really is about,thanks to you and some other info.
Maybe after some more info about dubli i can confront my uncle about this scam and the rest of my family.
Thx! Please dont forget to email me
Comment by Dubli-h8r | December 28th, 2008
Also eaglescout, as you know, pretty much every dam person who is replying to your post are stupid salesmen who bought into the dubli scam so but not me
and im on your side.. i will check this blog everyday.
Comment by eaglescout | December 28th, 2008
Hi DubLi-h8r,
If you can do it respectfully, you might ask your uncle about all the failed MLMs he was involved with, and why this one is different in a good way.
If your family is pretty good with math, you could have them work out the probabilities of winning the Zero Auction.
You could show them how the price in the Xpress Auction can never go below market value - unless DubLi is rigged.
If they have any good friends like a math teacher, she might be able to show them their real chances of saving money.
I’ll send you an email sometime, in case you had other questions.
Good luck.
Comment by Visman | December 29th, 2008
Believe me, I have read every single comment and every single link, some plausible, but some hilariously laughable. I have done some of my own investigating too. Placing same has nothing to do with the topic in my mind right now. It does however corroborate and leads eventually to the same links provided here. To repeat what is already available serves no purpose. What does serve purpose though is to rather look from a different angle in the longer term.
Would you marry somebody and trust that person with your life who cheated ruthlessly on his / her ex and has done the same to the next “life partner”?
Furthermore, the one that lashes out first personally lost the intellectual fight and does not have the intellectual capacity to overcome, therefore easily bluffed by nice on the first appearance and well worked out statements. BUT … Fails to discern what is hidden behind that smooth well versed and practised statements. What looks pretty on the outside is not always pretty on the inside, specifically when it is GREED driven, and unfortunately greed seems to be the motivating factor nearly always in scams. It is abundantly clear that money is made through selling licenses, not products.
Furthermore, when the top senior management is a liar, and continuous to blatantly do same, how do one defend such? Clearly past conduct is predicting future results. Nothing has changed, but one nearly always find that such is driven by clever word manipulating charismatic individuals, ruthless in achieving their own gaol serving their own greed. Needless to say, they leave some seriously hurt and damaged victims behind while they rolled their riches out into some trust registered in the names of someone else.
Many such schemes have touched base in South Africa, and it has nearly always been there final demise. They have just started following the same route. Interestingly so from America. Now one operating from Europe, more specifically so Germany moves into the American riches. It never has the country’s finances at heart, but fulfil its own greed by cleverly manipulating the greed resident in individuals with cleverly worded statements and picture playing of a financial independent future in the likes of their own.
Being dishonest at the highest level builds the castles of others on sand. The wind will eventually blow it away.
These individuals cannot be at first glance identified, nor with a first meeting, and takes some pretty good discernment to see through them. When one has been taken the one that was taken is nearly always the one that refuses, although they realise it, to admit it to themselves until it is too late. Another factor used by ruthless individuals.
Nobody is immune and at some or other time such destructive but on the outside great opportunities crosses everybody’s path. They all over, and the main foundation found always is one thing only …
GREED!
It is hidden behind pretty statements in likes of job creation, an opportunity for everybody … sit back, relax and see the money flow in.
I have nothing against anybody getting filthy rich, but when it comes at a cost for individuals, families, kids … it does not equal even murder, it is worse, more despicable. While many such individuals have everything, in the path behind them they leave many a hope and hungry kid behind feeding there own greed of them, totally forgetting them, most they did not even know.
And they hide behind Christianity?
Or is it a deep caring why they share their new found and well worked out plan?
The earlier, the better time to get involved. The early bird catches the fly, and always makes a buck, but they are also the ones that face the ones that lost, loosing friends, family, kids.
The ruthless move on to the next scheme and victims … We have learned from past mistakes and experience, this time we have it well put together … and we another set of victims?
And when many being on this blog having felt the pain, warn the next set of victims they will stand in wonder to see how those victims defends their decision with awesome pride in their believe in what will be there at last so hard sought after financial freedom.
And the circle continues … the ruthless a little more clever getting past their own PAST with more cleverly thought out devices and schemes.
I build my business from nothing and I do an honest hard day’s work that is not dependant on the schemes of others doing the thinking work for me with empty promises giving me sleepless nights. My business, me and my 8 year old daughter is in my hands, and we are in the hands of the hands I hold, the one and true God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I trust no other.
Regards
Visman
Comment by Name | December 29th, 2008
Grant it Visman, there are scams out there but you paint a very bleak picture for free enterprise. That’s what we have with the company. You say you work your business with nothing.
You must have some sweat equity in it somewhere. Don’t you? Or do expect something for nothing.
We have an honest business and I thought we already had a summary dismissal of the company. Is every salesman motivated by greed? Can’t one make an online business to make money to support their family? If you can’t afford the venture just don’t do it! You don’t have to tear it apart with meaningless rambling.
Comment by Dubli-h8r | December 29th, 2008
Visman,
All your doing with your posts is trying to confuse people and stray from the fact that your an “associate” to an illegal MLM scheme, and now that you realized it, your just trying to make all the money back you can before dubli is gone.
gl with you
Eaglescout,
please email me about how the zero and unique options are a scam bcuz from what i can tell… if you check a item like the 5000 wallmart giftcard…check it every week(once) and when it gets to 50$ left then use alot of credits to get it? Thats would be worth it? Unless they automatically have the computer get .25-0 or there is no giftcard. Im sure something is wrong there…but im just wondering how those options work.
Thx
Comment by eaglescout | December 29th, 2008
To Dubli-h8r,
I don’t think there’s any reason to believe Visman is deliberately trying to confuse people.
In fact, Visman’s comments are worth sharing with your family and anyone who approaches you with a questionable MLM scheme.
That could work in the Zero auction. But if everybody is doing that it becomes like a lottery again.
h8r, the scam isn’t in the games, but in the way they are presented. When this article was written, DubLi had really confusing terms and conditions regarding shipping.
Also, according to the current terms and conditions, if you spend one credit, you can’t get a refund on the other 799.
So, yes, you could win a prize every now and then, but if there are enough participants, it’s like playing the lottery.
The article on DubLi’s business model and revenue has more details.
Comment by eaglescout | December 29th, 2008
To Gene “Name”,
I would hardly call Visman’s comments “meaningless rambling.”
I partly disagree with Visman’s characterization of greed (unless Visman means greed at the expense of stealing from families or similar), but everything else is right on.
I’m guessing you didn’t read Visman’s comments or didn’t understand them.
Comment by Name | December 29th, 2008
OH
Comment by Dubli-h8r | December 29th, 2008
HI Eaglescout,
thx for the link about dubli revenue which filled me in on some more info.
So my uncle is a really smart guy and a fast talker, he has done many mlm’s and im wondering are the people who run these mlm’s just scamming him, into believing he will make money in the long run? and he is that stupid to believe them? Although i do not know how high on the pyramid he is bcuz he might make money in the long run who knows.
Also, in the zero auctions(completed auctions) it shows the usernames of who has won some prizes and it sounds like alot of those people must be made up usernames bcuz they are very similar.
For example:MyDubliPays,ILIKEWINNING, YOUGOTTOBEFAST, iwinyoulose,bidder1234,DubliDoRite,iclickbetter.
See all the usernames have to do with dubli, or winning someething…most likely made up just to false advertise more completed auctions than there really are.
I really do hope the FBI is investigating this, as the very dumb associates who got tricked into joining dubli will just have wasted all this time with dubli.-.-
Comment by Name | December 29th, 2008
Wow where did you come up with them usernames?
Comment by Dubli-h8r | December 29th, 2008
To “Name”,
Easy just go to the “zero” option of the dubli website, then click “completed auctions” on the left of the screen… start scrolling down and you will see all those usernames and those usernames have won multiple times.
Comment by Visman | December 30th, 2008
To identify a scam is not only based in the numbers. There are various factors to consider. One normally starts with the who behind it, cause if you don’t you leave yourself wide open to an abusive business relationship.
By the way it is only ships at sea that sail.
Any business based on dishonesty / managed via dishonesty is doomed, not by me or anybody, but within itself, be it free enterprise or not.
It is logic; nothing comes for nothing, which does not need any argument whatsoever. Neither serves any point to argue it since it is common sense. Yes sweat did go into it big time, but it is build on my own sweat, not piggy backing on the sweat of someone else.
Dark picture? That depends entirely on how and with which perspective you understand / interpret what I wrote. With summary dismissal I meant … guilty on a balance of probabilities and fired. I will not invest in any form of dishonesty. Any business minded person will tell you that dishonesty, more specifically at senior level with decision makers is detrimental for any investor. Businesses are not built on promises.
As for greed. Any good sales person uses greed and plays on the greed factor as part of the marketing concept. If you do not understand that, I suggest you write in for a good coarse in marketing. I have no intention in giving you one for free. I charge per hour for my work. Promises of a good to even great riches. Savings and so on. Using them all correctly building in an element of trust and help and you have your victim. The first element is always trust, then the rest completing the circle with the final HELP factor. Everybody uses it in some or other way closing a deal. It’s called good business. Unfortunately the same concepts is available to ruthless people.
In a scam this is combined with inner greed used by ruthless scammers who do not care who they harm on their way to the own riches. It is their motivating and moving factor for setting up the scam in the first place.
I have no intention in getting into meaningless arguments with anybody who so ever. If one does not have the perspective to understand what I said it is no fault of mine.
First to understand one needs the willingness to think about what you read and then the ability to understand, and then furthermore the ability to act according to that understanding. That will bring anyone to a decision based on sound information. If any part of this is missing, then, well, you need to ask who ever to type a little slower allowing you to also read and comprehend what is meant …..
and maybe, just , maybe …
And no, I am in no dubious MLM scheme. Sole owner of a registered business with taxes, employees, water and lights all paid up to date. However, I have had to help a few friends that allowed themselves to be misleading out of trouble after the dam wall burst.
You have read what was written. How you manage it is your own decision.
Wishing you all the best.
Visman
Comment by Name | December 30th, 2008
If I wrote in for a book for a course on marketing and got it what chapter would I look for Green with Greed. Give me a break!
I don’t know what’s with you. Have you been stung too much by those African bees? Can’t anyone do an honest business on the Internet without guys like you being dishonest about it’s nature and intent?
I believe in honest business myself and from what I see your arguments have failed.
For anyone interested look at my auction site click on Name and see if you find these user names spoken of above. I did and I don’t see any such thing. Hey thanks for bringing it up.
Comment by Name | December 30th, 2008
Hey the proof is in the pudding. You may get
a good deal on the HP EliteBook 6930p in the express
auction. It looked good to me. I’ll let it go down a bit but still a better price than I’ve seen around. Click on Name.
Comment by Visman | December 31st, 2008
Like I said, no business getting into meaningless senseless personal issues and slandering. Wanna get personal you need some eye balling. Face it man to man. That is not possible, and I do not see why I should waist any energy or for that matter any intellectual energy on such. Getting personal here means you have run out of arguments and lost the intellectual fight, which is not what it was meant to be. My suggestion that the site / blog was meant to be a grown up method of sharing information. Unfortunately for some the lifts door has closed.
Some good advice, don’t scream; come up with a stronger argument. Now smile!!! Get over it and have a nice party!! Its the last chance for 2008.
Fact remains, much more information and forums discussing the matters is available on the internet. Let your fingers do the walking.
Ya all have a nice day and the very best for 2009!
Its party time … braaivleis, bier en biltong … and no I am not going to translate it for you!:-)
Comment by Name | December 31st, 2008
What got me really interested in the company with the reverse auctions is the fact that the cost of items actually go down and I thought, what a unique concept. Plus it’s not just a few products. It’s a multitude of products. It’s a global trading portal. Also I realized it was new here. What an opportunity for me. Will it catch on here or not that is still up in the air. I can see why some would call it a scam because it has a bit of network marketing in it which for me is the smart way to leverage your time. Who was it that said, I’d rather make 1 % on a hundred peoples efforts than 100% of my own? Wow what a concept and with this company there is a great possibility to capitalize on the customer base. I mean if in fact as shown in Germany each customer invites 5 new customers and they too, do the same, inviting 5 more and then they do. Well you can see the viral nature of this. Sure it’s new here now but don’t you think it will really catch on? I am thinking that it will. If you had a thousand customers. You might say no way. Well if one invites 5 and then they invite 5. 5×5 is 25, 25×5 is 125, 125×5 is 625, 625×5 is 3125, 3125×5 is 15625. What is that 5 generations?
Ok so say you get 10 cents from each customer a month. Now that is very conservative. That’s $1,562.50. Please check my math, if it is correct. Now that’s a pretty good part time job isn’t it? Now what if you made a dollar a month on each customer. Wouldn’t that be $15,625.00 a month? Could you live on that? It won’t come easy because some blogger’s screaming scam. But didn’t they do that with eBay? I don’t know. Now here’s where your other associates come in. They will develop their organization while inviting their 5 customers and then they’ll invite 5 and so on we have this viral thing going on again. You will get a percentage of their efforts and what if you had 100 associates? Hey invite 100 customers. Well you better get started. There’s no time like the present. I will try to help you as I can. It’s going to get real busy. One more thing. For you business owners I believe there is coming a market place where you can sell you products also. Just for that reason it would be good to join. Just click on Name above in this post. I thank the blog again for this opportunity.
Comment by eaglescout | January 2nd, 2009
No, that’s 6 generations.
DubLi has 50-60 promoters now; that’s barely enough for 2 generations with 5 down-lines each. How do expect to get 3125 promoters under you? Even Michael Hansen can’t do it.
Comment by Eric | January 3rd, 2009
girlscout,
you really think dubli only has 50-60 promoters?
I put in over 60 in the last 3 weeks with over 84 customers and made over 11k.
what are you talking about?
there are over 3k promoters (associates) in the US now in about 3 months ish.
Dubli will be dumping about 50 mil in advertising in January 2009 alone and is projected to have over 1 million customers by Feb 2009. So far no one has called the DA office with a formal complaint that someone did not get paid or someone did not get their item purchased or delivered. Why dont you get on a plane next weekend and meet me in Arizona to stand in front of the warehouse that was created in this big elaborate SCAM you speak of and we can see, feel, and touch the very items you think dont exist or are upsold by 1000% Maybe I will take you to Target and by you a logic and critial thinking CD set from the 500 dollar gift card i bought on dubli for 329 dollars (last time i checked 329 bucks for a 500 dollar gift card is not a 1000 % mark up). Or maybe the car or the plane ride to get there is also a scam in your mind, those dirty transportation tools, how dare they get me from point a to b…..lol. Hey, maybe this dubli thing was all made up by you so the injury hotline at the bottom of this page could pay you to complain about life in general. Did you know the injury helpine attorney you are advertising is a scam? did you know that girl with the head set on her head is an actor and not really the person taking your call?
did you know she bankrupted a black sport coat company? Girlscout, go sell some cookies. your a riot.
Comment by eaglescout | January 3rd, 2009
Hi Eric,
You get an F- for your failed fabrication.
DubLi’s traffic has stayed about the same (and worsened) since October of 2008.
It’s really interesting that fewer people are visiting DubLi since you sold your 60 licenses.
Do you have any statistics to back this assertion?
Projected by who?
I didn’t claim someone had. However, DubLi is tiny, and most people feel guilty and are too embarrassed about getting involved with DubLi in the first place.
Because DubLi’s “big warehouse” is a small religious facility called Harvest International, run by pastors David and Linda Cross.
Perfect place to outsource a cult, don’t you think?
Comment by Unrelated | January 3rd, 2009
A bunch of donkeys is called a herd.
A bunch of birds is called a flock.
A bunch of suckers is called DubLi Associates.
Comment by Gene | January 3rd, 2009
girlscout,
So six generations. Thanks. But you really don’t get it. LOL
Really though I earn off of my own generated customers and the next 5 generations that are out of my hands. Good enough?
Comment by Gene | January 3rd, 2009
Oh and thanks for making this blog available.
And so you agree now we really have no serious compitition with our reverse auctions? And you say things have slowed down with the company through the holidays. Now if you were in the know you would understand that this usually happens with any new venture at this time of year but usually picks up in January. Let’s see I sure hope it does. I’d like to help set up a lot of folks to help them make a lot of money and I don’t care where they store the products as long as we keep getting them in a timely fashion. My son is having a lot of fun with the nice scooter he got. We got it just over a weekend and in time for the holiday. I will have to put up a picture of him with it and the box with the company label on it. I think I will. Yes check my website just click name. I don’t have it up yet but keep watching.
Comment by eaglescout | January 3rd, 2009
You are welcome, Gene. Do you have a back-up plan, in case DubLi doesn’t work out?
Comment by Name | January 4th, 2009
You know I can understand why someone would shy away from Internet offers because nobody wants to get scammed. I sure don’t. We are not promoting any secret formulas or money for nothing not downloading any software to make money. If that’s what you want there’s plenty of that around and more power to you. This company just provides a way to offer products from possibly around the world that customers want and use anyway. You don’t have to stock these products or ship them. You have credits that your customers will come and buy themselves at their own site to use your auction site. Hands free for you once you set up your customer base. Not a bad plan. If you want a stable income that could develop into more than a part time business I don’t know what else you could do but this company. You get two websites. One is your auction site and the other is your business site with offers training advertising banners such as you’d see on my easy website I made for just advertising my business. I could help you with that too. It’s very inexpensive. Just click on Name and you’re there. If you want someone to work with that’s level headed then here I am. As I said in another post it’s going to get pretty busy this new year so let’s get you started. I get paid for what I do. Have a great 2009!
Comment by Visman | January 4th, 2009
Spammed … WOW
leadcoop@automatedpriority.com
Sent: Thu 2008/12/25 17:02
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After you review the intro video, make sure you do not skip the continue feature.
We have loads of info to show you.
Thank you
Our aim is simple: to be the most powerful home business for all people.
______________________________________________________________________
And another one …
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Sent: Mon 2008/12/29 09:24
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iDublicate is a POWERFUL, PROVEN, step-by-step system that thousands of people just like you have followed to start their own moneymaking Internet businesses.
Far from being just another online auction site, Dubli is a unique online auction website where every time a shopper simply checks the price of one of the items, YOU GET PAID!
And with the iDublicate turnkey system, youll receive:
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Thanks for your interest!
Never showed any interest whatsoever …
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To be removed from this users list or to notify us that this was unsolicited please see the link below.
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Now who in the world would think for one single second I will invest without investigating first, and shaking hands? Eyebolling it is called I believe?
Only a person underestimating ones intelligence for sure. Do business with such? Selling me a licence to licence me to sell another licence? Thats no business. Rather it is painting a picture of a business on the front page but on page two it screams “glorified salesman” for someones twisted clever minipulation.
Why would I furthermore pay to give someone else a discount?
What stops anyone for this matter to start his or her own …
Regards from a sunny Pretoria …
Visman
Comment by Tizzle | January 5th, 2009
Ok, so if a product cost $600 in a zero bid, I have to pay .80 to drop the price by .25? Does that mean a product that starts out costing $600 has to be bidded on 2400 times before the final price gets to 0? If so, that means not only did Dubli makde money off of it’s associates in the initial offering of the chips, but they also made money a second time when the product finally sells. 2400 x .80 = $1,920. So, Dubli really has no cost in it at all, just profit. Reason being, 1920 - 600 = $1,320. This represents what Dubli makes off a $600 product. Somebody please tell I’m wrong…
Comment by Tizzle | January 5th, 2009
…and if I am not, how much of this money gets to the associate? Sorry if this was covered earlier. I tried going to the site and clicking the “opportuntiy” button. But it does not help. As a matter of fact if I am to pay this kind of money to join, I’d like to see the compensation plan posted on the site somewhere. The only thing that truly screams shady is the fact that you can’t see what the current price is. Also, there is no real verification of how many clicks are being entered. If they could figure that out, they could be on to something big.
Comment by Visman | January 5th, 2009
Hi Tizzle
To understand, you have to read all the posts on this site and follow the links. There are variuos other sites dealing with Dubli, some extremely blatant against Dubli calling it a scam. This site however covers the most information even though it is not as blatant.
In a very short summary, no person, nor any business has to stand back when bad publicity blows in its neck. However Hanson has been accused of bankrupting various companies, the links are provided in this blog to prove same, and so has Dubli been ripped apart. Neither has done anything to rebut these accusations other than denying same verbally (in writing on the internet) without any solid proof. Neither has taken any legal steps to remedy the situation. Obviously it is hurting the business and the person. That in itself calls for suspicions big time.
That in itself furthermore calls for DISHONESTY, and how in the world will it be possible for anyone to measure the so called clicks? You will never be able to tell. Neither will you have full control over your so called business, other than selling licences. Then it is no business other than paying someone else for the opportunity to market their business and receive a commission on same = salesman, nothing else.
Calling it a business is hyped up emotional glorification. Everybody wants somehow to have control over their destination. See the spam I received. They sell a way to get rich without any solid proof that same be sustainable.
Discount is based on luck, no business is based on luck other than sound honest hard work.
1. IDUBLICATE is a POWERFUL, PROVEN, step-by-step system that thousands of people just like you have followed to start their own moneymaking Internet businesses.
Take note … IDUBLICATE!!! They are selling licences to sell licences.
Now I suggest you read the blog word for word and the maths involved.
Regards
Visman
Comment by Tizzle | January 6th, 2009
Thanks Visman for your insight.
Comment by Tizzle | January 6th, 2009
The zero auction appears to be like the lottery.
However, I do like the concept of the first one.
That is by far the best option it seems. However, the selection is kind of weak. is this site going to expand?
Finally I still cant see the commission break down.
Comment by Tizzle | January 6th, 2009
eaglescout seems to be a very intelligent man.
I can’t tell who is right, but his arguments are pretty good.
I wish someone for dubli can answer his questions. It would help tremendously. Can someone from Dubli answer them so that they are factual instead of guesses?
Comment by Name | January 6th, 2009
I guess you might call the zero auction a lottery. What’s the biggy? As promised I put a picture up with that scooter that I got from the company on my site with two of my boys. I used the express auction. We got it over the weekend. See for yourself and there is a good link about the compensation plan. It’s a real simple plan. This is a great family business. Just click on Name. Oh and Robbie they tell me you’re a very intelligent man and I don’t doubt that.
Comment by Visman | January 6th, 2009
Pleasure Tizzle
You will note that I have a huge problem with them not rebutting the accusations for quite awhile now. That does not mean having to get into heated arguments. Nobody can argue solid proof, and that is not provided.
Not bringing religion into this, just an interesting similarity as I see it (read my older posts) been made on a totally different issue and level.
Leadership: “Psychic Vampires” IN THE LEADERSHIP?
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Freemasonry/freemasonry_exposed.htm
Replace Psychic with money …
“the occult, we used to talk about psychic vampires—people who just seemed to suck the life out of a person. Of course, black magicians excel in this. They leave people feeling drained. What most people don’t realize is that an organization can function in much the same way.
The Lodge functions like a spiritual sponge in many ways. Think of all the millions of man hours (name) put into their lodge work: memorizing the degree material, attendance at meetings, extracurricular lodge activities (dinners, banquets, funerals, picnics). Those (name) who are Christians pour hours of time and energy into the lodge, and it just laps it up and begs for more.”
1. People who just seemed to suck the life out of a person. Of course, black magicians excel in this
2. The Lodge functions like a spiritual (financial) sponge in many ways.
3. What most people don’t realize is that an organization can function in much the same way.
4. Those (name) who are Christians pour hours of time and energy into the lodge, and it just laps it up and begs for more.”
Begs for more … until one no more can?
Regards
Visman
Comment by Tizzle | January 8th, 2009
Ok, so I went on the site looking to make a purchase.
The item I was going to purchase is called The Wine Enthusist 16. Dubli has it on the site for $248.
I went to the wine company’s website and it was listed at $195 but on sale for $100. Dubli start off price is $248. So if I am correct you would have to click the Dubli auction button at 212 times before getting the Dubli price even to the regular price. Does this makes sense?
Comment by Visman | January 8th, 2009
80c, 80c, 80c …… and so it goes on, one huge clicking internet community. Somebody is making money and for sure it is not the clicker. Discount 25c can never be interpreted as profit. more specically if one pays for his / her own discount from credits bought!
If I want? I want now, and not pay to buy either, neither wait for Tizzle, or whoever to also click a few clicks …
Regards
Visman
Comment by solly | January 8th, 2009
Greetings everyone,
I think we can all see that the idea of a reverse aution is an intriguing idea. When you combine the reverse aution idea with the idea of soliciting every major manufacturer to sell its products on a reverse auction on line global sales portal, the prospect of bargain prices comes into view; if only initially. If we pursue the reverse auction Global Portal we may create a major shift in the way we and our children will live and work….similar to the impact that pcb”s and computers have had on our society. The global portal reminds me of a video I saw about wall mart on netflix, where wall mart would open a wall mart store in a colorful little town whose streets were lined with friendly little shops only to find 6 months down the road that these friendly little streets now looked like a ghost town.
These little colorful towns unwittinly lost their home town feel for a better price. While we may get a better price on goods we purchase on ta reverse auction /global portal, it would be prudent to spend equal time considering what we have to lose as a community…are we inviting drastic consequences for our already fractured sense of community..lets discuss?
Comment by eaglescout | January 8th, 2009
Hi Solly,
The “Reverse Auctions” in DubLi are not reverse auctions.
Comment by Visman | January 9th, 2009
Hi Solly
A different perspective you have?
It comes down to decisions made by us. My daughter is 8 years old. She has all the electronic games, videos, dvd’s …. name them.
One thing she will not trade, is time with her dad playing outside with the feel of grass between ones toes. The physical part. Then all those expensive games and the likes are totally forgotten. Like all woman she loves the shops. LOL! But looking around me I hear many a parent stating how clever their kids are with computers and electronic games. Looking at them however, the family time, social time in direct contact with others that has been compromised, some in a lesser degree than others, but it has been compromised, has brought us where we are today. The computer takes the place of another family member in the house or is likened in status of another family member. That possible? Really? On line chat site, dating sites … again name … them has to a very large extent compromised quality time with friends and family. Now shopping becomes that easy as well. Delivered to your doorstep.
The electronic world is a very lonely world altogether in more ways than one, and can maybe be likened on to a bad habit becoming a way of life? Possible? I know houses where kids spend most of their time in the room with the computer and games which in turn become the nannies for kids to keep them busy and off the streets.
Luckily, SA still have a lot of physical activity, but the question remains, what impact the electronic age will have on that.
But that is mostly on the negative side. The positive is also the doors being opened. I sit in one part of the world and communicate with someone else way off in another part of the world. I can go shopping wherever I wish, whenever I wish. Same has its benefits too. Furthermore, shops in the malls are more and more competing with online shops, and even has its own online shops with delivery to your doorstep at no extra cost. In that sense it even be great. Leaves more time to spend at home with family and friends. But is that time used for that purpose? If not, what is the energy spent on? More time to surf the internet?
The balance can so easily be lost, and with reference to your remark ‘fractured sense of community” has been lost in a big way.
The world is becoming lonely which in turn leads to its own disasters and personal emotional, mental and physical problems. Take a look around, read the news, and one can understand the influence over time without that direct human contact.
It all comes back to decisions. Yours, your neighbours, mine … finding the lost laughter of a child, a family member, a friend or just someone one cracks a joke with in the pick & pay …. that lost feeling of belonging due to the computer taking so much time that should have been ………………. times that are not meant for holidays only, but every day!
Regards
Visman
Comment by solly | January 9th, 2009
Hi eaglescout and Visman,
Eaglescout, I agree. I had not considerd the idea of a reverse auction within a global portal community until I heard of …Visman you are hitting the nail on the head. My concern the idea a of reverse auction in conjunction with global portal is now before many people. It would have to be restructured but if it were, it could be devastatingly profitable and detrimental to our sense of communitythe remaining vestiages of community as we know it. The online market place will continue to expand. The question from my point is how quick is to quicis expanding
Comment by solly | January 9th, 2009
Hi Fellas,
scratch post # 266. I must have hit the send prematurely..i will finish and send shortly.
thanks,
Solly
Comment by solly | January 9th, 2009
Hi eaglescout and Visman,
Eaglescout, I agree. I had not considerd the idea of a reverse auction within a global portal community until I heard of Dubli. If a group of well intentioned ethical investors get hold of the idea they could change the fabric of our society. maybe that would be good maybe not? Visman you are hitting the nail on the head. I think the mall merchants rent overhead will eventually take them out of game though. Will the malls close, maybe?, where will the kids go?. The question is can a legitimate reverse aution be structured where through an equitable look-see fee the price of a standard product can be lowered 30%-40%-50%? maybe so? The point is eagle scout you have got a lot of people thinking. I am just starting to think of these things now. Lets hope in 100 years the daily newspaper does not trace a bleak and joyless community landscape back to your good will efforts with a headline that reads, It has been discovered that our bleak sense of community can be traced back to a fellow named eaglescout who ushered in The Global Gateway with the help of Solly and Visman.
Solly
Comment by Robbie | January 9th, 2009
“Oh and Robbie they tell me you’re a very intelligent man and I don’t doubt that.”
Who are ‘they,’ you comedian? Just because you and the rest of the Dubli Bunch use multiple nicks doesn’t mean the rest of the world is in need of resorting to this tactic. Eaglescout has addressed so many different issues under his original nick, it would make no sense whatsoever for him to do this out of a sudden. And if he did, I’m pretty sure he would make it more convincing and less easy to see through than you.
I’m still following this discussion and will do so until the inevitable collapse of Dubli (if something that isn’t even one story high can collaps at all…it’ll probably just fade into oblivion).
Comment by Visman | January 9th, 2009
For one. Dubli is a matter of time. Unfortunately digging its very own grave. It seems to walk the same road so many other schemes, relying on in financial trouble / prospective to be in trouble people out there who would beg, borrow and even steel to survive.
If I offered you a step-by-step treasure map that gave you the exact steps youd need to follow to make an extra $1,000 $2,000 or even $10,000 per week on the Internet Would you take it?
This is precisely what the iDublicate marketing system gives you!
iDublicate is a POWERFUL, PROVEN, step-by-step system that thousands of people just like you have followed to start their OWN MONEYMAKING Internet businesses.
==> Your VERY OWN Internet business that YOU OWN, that you can work as little or as often as you like, and that youll be PROUD to SHARE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY
So your success as an Internet entrepreneur will be virtually guaranteed!
ROAD TO RICHES, FINANCIAL FREEDOM … GUARANTEED? Creating hope and diverting honest people with little knowledge about business with hints of a better life. But you stay dependant on the initiators of the so called business. The profits made belong to the initiators. The so called associates only get a marginal commission, and not to missed point, the opportunity to buy at a discount. Now who would want to purchase only goods if they can purchase money making at a discount? It comes back to buying a licence to sell a licence. Physical products are therefore not the main stream of income, but selling a licence to give you money to buy from them / yourself? WOW. Who will sell a part of his business to someone he does not know? You have not bought a business; neither did any associate set up his / her own business. It is made to sound like a business, but the real matter for a business that identifies it as a business is not there.
“Your VERY OWN Internet business” … virtually guaranteed? Virtually have more than meaning that can be read into it. Depends on the reader’s mindset at that point in time he or she reads it and the bait that drew the reader. Can you spot the hook hidden in the attractive bait that made you look a second time at the possibility?
Is there therefore a way that Dubli can use to get you to part with your money, or get you to go borrow, beg or steel to get the money into their bank accounts? Surely, they push all the right buttons.
They do not have to pay you a salary, only commission on your sales; therefore have no obligations to you. The only obligations is to themselves via a numbers game.
The bait is on the hook, the line has been casted in and there are many fish in the sea. One will take a bite, and so will many others. Who have been dished up at yesterday’s lunch, this morning’s breakfast?
Regards
Visman
Comment by Steen Isdahl | January 10th, 2009
Hi all
I think it’s valid to make a question on behalf on consumers, and make a question blog on the motives behind the website.
I actually think that this is neglected to often by bloggers, due to the flaming that comes from guys with interest in the business model.
WE have just seems major scams in US on Wallstreet and also in my small country Denmark by a Mr Stein Bagger from IT-factory. And looking back, several bloggers did raised questions like these in the attached articles in the top, and that is sound for every new business model and you as an consumer.
So please give the credit to the dudes that are securing customers, and on the other hand - if any of the flamers have won a bid and been happy about it - then stand out, show that the model works and the website. I think that it’s nice, that we have a new model of trade, and if traders want to buy clicks, and is doing it more than once, then the value is proven (get this on record from the company - mr. Hansen). Show that you had a fun and fair trade – I think at least, as a flamer, that you should have bought some clicks to prove yourself positive .. please show your full name.
But if the articles numbers are true;
1) it’s insiders that wins
Out of 72 prices - 25
tproia 4
lindapc 3
robbrandimickey 3
wcowles 3
Entrepreneur 2
Funlovers 2
Gteam2max 2
mvmeach 2
papajeanne 2
ron27 2
Then there is something more to this than luck
2)That the shipping cost is the hidden fee
Then I think – that a storm of the 65 % of winners not coming from the insiders – should start screaming in the press. They would at Ebay!!
If Dubli makes a billion in revenue. 1.000.000 and the average trade is 1000$ then we have a 1000 trades, then 650 trades should be won by outsiders – we need their voices .. have anybody heard these. .. I haven’t, should be easy to google!! But none came up.
So as I see it – thanks for this blog, keep asking questions, and flamers – be fair, and you have not been that …
Lets keep an eye on these guys, and looking forward to hear why and when they succeed..
Just to clearify things
NAPLES, FL, July 26, 2008 - Discount Marketing Corp and Alfred Luckerbauer, the US representatives for DubLi Network, announced today that DubLi President and CEO, Preben Westergaard, has stepped down and handed the reins over to Founder, Michael Hansen. Mr. Westergaard will remain with the company in a consultant capacity.
Then it’s an EU company and not an US company!
Based in
DubLi UK Ltd.
Valley Farm Cottage
Parkside Road
Adel, Leeds
LS16 8EZ
United Kingdom
But you are not sure, due to the lack in investor material on their website. This should be improved, and this blog could be closed or televised.
Steen
Comment by Robbie | January 10th, 2009
“Then I think – that a storm of the 65 % of winners not coming from the insiders – should start screaming in the press.”
Well, that’s the whole point: No one is screaming in the press, because there is hardly anyone to scream and hardly anything to scream about. Here in Germany you won’t find anything on Dubli in the press and very few sites covering Dubli on the Internet (not counting the sites of Dubli representatives). There are some old and rather short discussions on some message boards, as well as an old, short article from a respected e-commerce web site. This article is titled “Beware of Dubli!” Otherwise, you won’t find much more.
“Then there is something more to this than luck”
Yes, the ‘auctions’ are probably faked to make the whole site look busy. In any case they would be more believable to me, if the ‘bids’ were revealed after the ‘auction’ (see Ebay).
Btw, where do you have these stats from? I just checked us.dubli.com and there are some other names coming up even more often than 4 times.
The UK address doesn’t mean the company is based in the UK. They’re based in Berlin, but it is way cheaper to found a Ltd. Company in the UK than in Germany, and my guess is that this is the only reason for the UK address.
Comment by Visman | January 10th, 2009
http://www.truveo.com/Do-u-Dubli-Best-Home-Business-Online-Shopping/id/1795243634
18 Thousand Associates?
1.4 Mil customers?
Surely do not see that numbers on Dubli sites?
Regards
Visman
Comment by Visman | January 10th, 2009
Correction … 14 thousand
1.2 Mil
respectively
Comment by A Scam is A Scam Period | January 12th, 2009
maybe some people don’t realize is that you buy credits to participate in the so called “auction”… hello that money is spent even if you use the credit or not to bid on the reverse auction.
What if you decided to buy a $1000 dollar worth of credits, you are not necesarily going to get a $1000 worth of products.
Just go buy a lottery ticket. You would be better off.
In any case, Dubli may not be a scam after all. Anyways, the only people who will get scammed are those who participate in it. I am just weary of anything MLM because people get victimized.
Comment by Visman | January 12th, 2009
With …
Correction … 14 thousand Associates
1.2 Mil Customers
One should see much more movement on the auction sites, which is not happening. In any event, Dubli could to this day not prove this many associates, nor customers on a world wide basis, let alone in Europe.
Neither is the information removed which is misleading = dishonesty alowing it to continue running. Ruthless as to who walks into the trap, whose money (tonights food on the table) lands in their pockets. There will always be takers, somebody who grabs at every little straw to survive / Riches.
Define a business, an associate, partner and so forth with their respective roles, ownership …. this is not how the cookie crumbles.
MLM in its very essence … is it your own business? Why are they for ever looking for more “business owners”. What percentages that buy in stays on? It becomes, and I do know people associating with MLM’s that is in the market place for many years now. They have however become that “business”. It has become their god. I have been to some motivational meetings, and wow, when those people get on stage it is vibrant, a living thing. All that still needs to happen is for the people to fall on their knees in praise and worship.
Give to them, great marketing skills and consepts. But one becomes becomes fully dependant on the real owners that brought this “riches”. They have changed. They have become the very image of the actual owners. That in itself turned me down big time. For what I could see and understand they lost themselves to those “gods” on stage that are busy saving the world. They leave more desparate for financial freedoms behind that they promised step by step instructions as what they leave riches behind while they fill there suitcases. Define a sponser … because that is what they call themselves at first before they become your upline (boss). If they sponser you into the bsuiness, why must you pay to buy in?
If one now look at this from various perspectives, what is truly happening? In the very inner of the man / woman?
Blood sweat and tears went into my own business with lots praying, but it belongs to me! Is my own brain child and delivers a service essential to true business owners. As a one man business I take care of nearly 10000 employees for business owners who in turn takes care of there true nich, ie, the products they manufacture.
It grows on you, becomes you, not you onto it becoming it. It does not become your master, your “god”. That is freedom, true financial freedom created by yourself, managed by nobody but your self, not a glorified salesman for somebody elses brain child.
I just hate it to see the sparkle dissapear from the eyes of people that I know when the dissapointments hit home.
I can write a book on what I have experienced after 18 years in the police force (now in my own business for the pat six years), and still seeing the devistating effects of ruthless marketing which most rely on.
In the end, is it worth it? When one looks at the double tracks behind it? I do not think so, and do not want to be a part of it.
And I stand by that.
Visman
Comment by Name | January 13th, 2009
A picture is worth a 1,000 words isn’t it?
Comment by Visman | January 16th, 2009
True … the picture however is only what you see from the outside. The bigger picture is on the inside, that needs more than what the eye can see.
But when the outside fades away … the picture is then worth?
Comment by solly | January 16th, 2009
Hi Eaglescout,
I recently saw a post about dublis’ AZ warehouse. I thought the post was on your site, but I may be mistaken. The post showed the AZ. warehouse being located at a church. There were even pics of the pastor. A reliable source informed me that this is not the case and said, “While the warehouse is small,3-5k it is not located on or near a church. Did I see this post about the church on your site?
With all this negative talk about Dublis business model, which is reasonably justified at this time, I was wondering if Dublis has contacted you personally. (email, attorney, formal letter or phone). If yes, what did they have to say.
Solly
Comment by eaglescout | January 17th, 2009
Hi Solly,
I have not been contacted by DubLi at all. I also don’t think your source is reliable, because the DubLi warehouse address is listed in DubLi “press releases”.
To the best of my knowledge DubLi’s “warehouse” is a religious facility, and the owners are looking to sell it.
If your source was reliable, why didn’t they give you the “real” warehouse address? It’s not like DubLi has anything to hide, right?
Comment by dream team | January 18th, 2009
We have toured the facility in Phoenix, it is legit, and not a church. Nice try girlscout.
Comment by dream team | January 18th, 2009
The address is on every package you recieve from a purchase made on the Dubli site. The logistics center is real, the mangager confirmed it was very busy during Xmas and also confirmed they just opened up in October 2008. He did not know what Dubli was exactly so when I explaied it to him he was very excited. I have his name and number and he and his fufillment center company are very solid. It is not a church like Girlscout indicated in previous posts. Very very easy to prove and odd girlscout would make a claim himself without doing his/her homework. lol.
Comment by dream team | January 18th, 2009
the beauty of a “spin” is maybe [possible copyright violation] Dubli is nothing more than an indian burial ground. [copyright violation] Hansen bankrupted a company when he created a few companies [copyright violation] which is not normal for most MLM, I dont really see this as MLM because of the huge percentage of peeps on the site that dont make a dime, [copyright violation] this is a no brainer [copyright violation] with a team of leaders that [...] plan on losing and a track record to back it up. Thanks for letting me post [...] and good luck [...].
Comment by solly | January 18th, 2009
Hi Eaglescout,
Point taken. I did not think to ask my source for the address. I will ask for the address and get back to you.
I simply wanted to know if a warehouse in fact existed, and if so what size and was it piggy backing on a religious facilities site. I wanted to see if a large or small investment had been made by Dubli. It appears to be a small investment that would be in line with a small distribution company.
Regards,
Solly
P.S. Did I see the pictures of the pastor and the church on spin factor or somewhere else?
Comment by eaglescout | January 20th, 2009
Hi solly,
Look up Linda Cross and DubLi.
Pingback by How to identify a scam » The Truth @ The Spin Factor | January 20th, 2009
[...] Sounds a lot like DubLi’s founders. [...]
Comment by Robbie | January 20th, 2009
I looked up Linda Cross and Dubli:
http://www.indubli.org/forum/topic/show?id=2347879%3ATopic%3A44
“Dubli has already proven themselves in Germany and Europe, creating more customers than Ebay in Germany!”
Yeah, and then you woke up. How shameless can a lie be? The customer numbers for Ebay and Dubli are so far away from each other, they can’t even be compared. This statement by Linda is so bold, it actually had me ROTFLMOA.
Comment by Visman | January 21st, 2009
Only one question
Why does Dubli not rebut this, and have the site removed via a law suite?
Only reason can be, since these comments come a long way through 2008.
They can not, and is playing it to the very end, making every buck they can from it while the still can, and then move on to the next scheme.
The defenders will always be there, I call them the sponsers filling the pockets and fighting their fights for them, while they remain silent!
Silence is also an answer, acknowledgement of guilt, or otherwise, because it makes people doubt, and for those that invested, sold to family and friends, somebody they know with great promise, clinging to the financial promises they received and made, the hope that the right answer will come, but it has been coming a long time now, yet to be seen.
As a business man myself, I would have made my pound of flesh from this site alone and then used same to show my integrity above the remarks published and turned it into an advertising for my business.
Too long overdue by Dubli …
Comment by Gogetem | January 21st, 2009
eaglescout take a look at this. I don’t know if you have seen it already, I have not read all the posts here. I saw the link like this.
10-13-08
Read the Dubli Statement from Michael Hansen.
http://www.smartwinshop.com/DubLi%20Statement.html
Comment by Me again | January 21st, 2009
Why doesn’t the company stop this blog. Why it’s good advertising for the company. Anyone with a right mind can see the blog hasn’t a real leg to stand on. There’s nothing to rebut that hasn’t been addressed here already and the blog is just trying to get attention to advertise their scams. Remember a blog is just that. A blog!
Comment by Visman | January 22nd, 2009
How one can read good advertising in this is spectacularly far beyond imagination. It is one of the oldest tricks in the book to make such comments by con artists. I’m 48 …
The main reason for me being here is because they have spammed me in South Africa and I do not take spamming lightly, and I referred others also to this site via email. It’s for them to decide, but do you know how fast email travels?
I have followed and read every single comment and link provided before doing same. I’d love to see the sales made in SA since there is no local provider / storefront / warehouse. The MLM’s operating locally have been here for many years, and they have a strong foothold.
Furthermore, SA has been a dumping ground for many a scam, but that has come to an end, with people being extremely cautious about. You will get the buyers, those always be there, BUT, they will not be enough.
Question now remains, how will they do this? By selling licenses to sell licences since imports is a costly affair providing no discounts?
Selling licences locally to sell licenses will not be that easy?
Last note, as an ex policeman I am still in the legal arena from where I chair (the judge in other words) arbitration and investigation enquiries with subsequent rulings.
Now how good has this advertising here been for Dubli? It’s bad for business and no reputable business person that cares about the long term sustainability of his / her business will allow same to continue for such a prolonged period.
It’s a civil matter; therefore a judgement can be made on a balance of probabilities.
Although not official, but considering the evidence presented with the respondent not rebutting same with solid proof, and with the vague attempts by Dubli to rebut without proof, if this has to presented before a chairperson, at this point in time the chairperson will have no choice but to declare Dubli a SCAM.
Dubli therefore at this point in time remains in debt to its clients / associates too prove it is not a scam, and not using the current world economic crisis with its subsequent emotional issues around job losses to take last pennies out of needy pockets to create their own wealth.
Eaglescout has done to this point a great investigation and I remember reading the challenging response to a possible law suit by Dubli to which Dubli has not reacted!! A while back!!
In other words, I give you a bloody nose by wringing your nose continually and by your silence you allow me to continue for an undefined period? Will you?
Now what?
Comment by Me again | January 22nd, 2009
Find everything you can on my site, your questions will be answered. This is an ongoing business which started in Germany in 2003 and is still here. Now in the US operating. Now what do you say about that? For the record I was an MP in the US Marine Corp during Vietnam. I know a bit about law. You have no case. We don’t want your last pennies. We offer a business and in any business there is loss or profit. If you can’t afford the venture stay out but don’t discourage good business minded folk.
Comment by George | January 22nd, 2009
I haven’t read through the hundreds of comments, but I just found out about this DubLi.com, and I’m confused as to why anyone would use it. If you do the math of, say, one of the products I saw mentioned as a successful auction:
$500 (starting bid), $179.25 (sold for).
$500 - $179.25 = $320.75 worth of “clicking”, @ $0.25 per click = 1283 clicks @ $0.80 per click = $1,026.40 + $179.25 (selling price) = $1205.65 total sale money for a $500 product.
That equals over $700 in profit on that item alone, assuming they got it for the original selling price. This screams scam, I don’t doubt that the buyer ends up with the product for that price, but that means that over a thousand people on that item alone lost money.
Comment by Me again | January 22nd, 2009
Lost money? Or money to be made? Some people just like screaming. You pay for the option to purchase the product. They did their shopping. Give me a break! How much gas do you spend when you go shopping? Do you always come home with what you wanted? If not, how can you justify going out of your house? You might be involved in a scam.
You did the MATH! You do see there is money to be made. When you pay good money to go to watch a movie, do you come get something worthwhile? Entertainment, right? Well thus the auctions. Nobody will force you to do the auctions. You can save most likely at any given bid and can buy but most take the chance at a better price. If you don’t like auctions just buy at the shop once they get set up. You don’t have to do the auctions then. Here we have it. A ground floor opportunity… Lots of business to do and lots of money to be made. Nobody knows what the price is unless they make a bid of 80 cents. You see the price and decide if you want it.
Someone else comes along and they have no idea what the price is so they take a shot at it, make a bid of 80 cents to see the price and maybe they buy, maybe not. The mystery of it all is inviting. It’s not like one person is going to spend $1,026.40 to by one product. I just placed a bid on the $5,000 walmart gift card and if I wanted to buy I could have save $2200 or so.
Comment by Visman | January 22nd, 2009
I wanted to say there are no pills for stupidity, but that would be nasty. Would it not?
My discounted apology for pondering the thought!
Comment by Visman | January 23rd, 2009
Sorry, I forgot to give the terms …
It will cost you 80c for a 25c discount. The 80c is payable upfront to me, and then you can have your 25c discount if you still want to buy after I showed you the price!
Regards
Were not the ATeam for no reason!
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
I had an extended post which you didn’t alow. What a scam here.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
You allowed that hummmm
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
Let’s try a short one. Is there any vitamins for brains? No, it will cost you 80 cents to bid. In order to see the current price. Yes 25 cents of that price goes to lower the cost of the product and you can recoup that 25 cents if you buy the product so you would have paid 55 cents for the chance to buy at a greatly reduced price. But many others may or may not have gone before you to lower the price tremendously.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
I must say, This is a real online business. NOT only some digital eBooks or health products or weight loss or whatever. We’ll have all the products you could see on eBay and even brand new automobiles coming on the auctions where the price will go down. Yes that’s right! Our prices go down not up. This is something you can do right from home. This is serious competition for any other auctions or stores/shops. It’s like having your own I call it d-bay from home. It’s unique. The company will be drawing millions of customers by the 3 main auctions we have which are the Express the Unique bid and the Zero auction. These ultimately bring customers to our store/shop and market place. At the shop you can buy without an auction. Just like any other online store. But mind you this is still rolling out and you can be some of the first to get in.
And because of what we do we will have the niche that could make our licensed associates wealthy.
You need to know it comes from Germany a tested and true business model. We’re really on the beginning stages of the staged launch here with a cutting edge company and I still don‘t know all we‘ll have. We have the experience of Germany’s model to work off of. We know it’s ups and downs and successes.
This will be the biggest thing since eBay and you better get in now. It Works the opposite of eBay auctions, called reverse auction.
We have three different auctions with a store/shop coming soon. In the store/shop you’ll be able to buy new products at very reasonable prices because they come directly from manufactures and if you‘re an associate you could have a thriving business.
Now this is absolutely a new business model and people really enjoy the auctions. Customers come to you once you establish your business and customer base. Now is the time to do that. With its viral component, your customers will invite other customers and from the German model we find that they also invite on average 5 more customers and then they will and then they will, well you get the idea. We have an element of network marketing where you can benefit from other associates also.
Have you ever thought of having a chain of department stores? Well this can be even better with much less overhead and you won’t be limited to for walls either, to house your products. In fact you don’t have to deal with products at all the company does all that for you. You can have thousands of customers coming to you and bidding on thousands of products on your site and you can also set up shops for nonprofit organizations with their own logo to help them raise funds for their purposes or just shops for any organizations. The market place is coming where one can sell their own products.
Well here’s how the express auction works.
Name brand top notch products are offered through our trading portal.
We’ll use the example of auctioning a digital camera with all the fancy accessories costing $1,000.00.
Now understand this may be happening for any new products you might see on eBay. If a product is popular it may be put up for auction.
What happens is that one needs to register with a business associate which I am and buy credits to bid on the camera or whatever product you are looking for. Your customers can shop at the store without credits.
Now you also have the option to be a business associate. Keep in mind that we have just launched October 4, 2008.
One credit is worth 80 cents.
One would pay 80 cents to make a bid or 1 credit
Every time one bids it lowers the cost of the camera by 25 cents.
So now the price of the camera goes down to $999.75
What happens to the other remaining 55 cents?
It goes into a bonus pool for the business associate, which could be you. Every time someone buys a credit or uses one you make money.
That 25 cents kind of subsidizes the price of the camera and the seller would get that. So it goes down for the buyer and remains constant for the seller. Then the associate gets paid.
One can choose to buy the camera at that drop in price if they wish if they see a value.
Well you might wait for the price to go down more so you try again later.
Now someone else gets their chance to bid on the camera and spend their 80 cent credit. Now understand you can’t see the price until you bid on the camera.
The price now falls to $999.50, anyhow they now have their chance at buying the camera but may or may not depending on the value they see.
Just imagine doing it yourself, when the value get’s into a comfortable range for you, you have the option to buy when the price is right. Hmm sounds like a game show!
So the price is hidden until you use a credit. Instead of the price going up like on eBay the price in fact goes down with this company. Can you see how this works? If the price of the product goes all the way down and you spend the last credit you can get the product for that price. So conceivably the price can fall to next to nothing. Well that would be more realistic in the zero auction.
Now the seller get’s their full price and the buyer can get a tremendous deal while the business associate can make a nice profit. Just imagine 1,000s of these auctions going on in your business.
That’s where the real profit is going to come from. Plus you get profits from the store/shop or marketplace sales.
I think you can see the beauty so look my site over and join me in the adventure and bring others.
Comment by Charlie | January 23rd, 2009
O.K. When I signed up as a Business Associate 3 months ago I used to sound like “Me Again” I’ll tell you what “Me Again” I will send you $1000 cash today (not a joke) if you can show me ANY proof that you have made a single penny from Dubli my E-mail is drayermaui@aol.com my home # in Maui Hawaii is (808) 264-7114, I’m positive you have not made any money not one dime!
Comment by Charlie | January 23rd, 2009
Furthermore, Dubli will not be around in one year in the U.S. No matter what it simply will vanish and David Hansen will retire a millionaire on a white sandy beach.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
Send me an email and we’ll see what we can do Charlie.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
I just called you Charlie and got your answering machine.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
I sent you an email also Charlie.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
Charlie I made money the first month I got in.
It was September.
Comment by Me again | January 23rd, 2009
Well you did let that go through.
Thanks
Comment by Robbie | January 23rd, 2009
I have to say this thread is becoming really sickening. Using a new alias, Dubli is obviously trying everything to rip off a few Americans, who might be desperate enough to ignore all the warning signs. The USA is a huge market, it may take some time until it runs dry of easy targets. I feel sorry for people like Charlie, I hope you didn’t lose a lot of money. But I can only advise you to be careful and to really look into a business before you make any moves. And don’t believe any success stories from other countries unless you see some real proof. Dubli has never been a success in Germany! I live here and I can assure you of this. If this so called successful German model these guys keep talking about ever existed, its only “success” must have been that Michael Hansen managed to rip off some gullible/incautious Germans. If Dubli was a success, you could surely find lots of positive feedback on them all over the Internet. They would have been covered by some serious press. None of this is the case! I don’t see any serious press coverage in the US either. Isn’t this weird for a company who claims to be a competition to Ebay and the next big thing on the auction market? Isn’t it weird that in Germany, where Dubli is supposed to be a success, auctions are finished only sporadically and many of them are won by the same buyers, which should be highly improbable, especially for Zero Bid and Unique Bid? Taking this and all the information given by Eaglescout into consideration, is it that hard to smell a rat?
Comment by Charlie | January 23rd, 2009
Thank You Eaglescout! I think we’re on to something. Aloha ” Me Again” I recieved your call and have phoned your # 4 times witthin the last two hours, show me a paycheck and a thousand dollars is yours, Mahalo.
Comment by chart3 | January 24th, 2009
I’m watching an online webinar presenting the Dubli opportunity. Dubli reminds me of 2by2.net in the U.S. from several years ago, mixed in with Swoopo.com. 2by2.net got a lot of hype back from 1999 - 2001 (”fast becoming a major player in this marketplace, more features coming soon…, yada yada yada, blah blah blah”). 2by2.net was eventually shut down by the U.S. federal government through a class action lawsuit after being determined to be an illegal ponzi scheme, and many sales associates got some of their registration and membership fees back.
As the global economny is now in recession and people are starving for jobs, more and more ripoffs like Dubli, Infinity 800, etc… will begin to pop up to take advantage of people’s desperation and uncertaintity. But hey, you guys can make your own decisions.
Comment by Insider | January 24th, 2009
Lots of coments here on the oportunity and the Dubli business model. Fact of the matter is the company executives are liars with little integrity. They are not trustworthy, thats all one needs to know.
Comment by Charlie | January 24th, 2009
I’m looking for ANYONE involved in Dubli that can show me a paycheck, I will send them a real live cashier’s check for $1000 send me proof my address is 3926 Mahinahina Street, Lahaina, Hawaii 96761 My Name is Charlie Drayer
Comment by Me again | January 24th, 2009
Charlie,
Wait a minute. First it was $1,000 in cash now it’s a cashier’s check. Sure the economy is bad now. It’s the best time to become an associate because once things get going you’ll be glad you were. Course you claimed that you were one. This company is starting here. No everything is not rolled out yet and this blog leads everyone to believe it is and it’s a failed venture. Well I have news for you. It isn’t. Now is the time to help build it. Charlie I don’t believe I’d get a red cent from you. You change your mind just like girlscout does all the time.Ane Robbie how do we know you are from Germany. Charlie I told you I earned my first month which was in September. It seems you like to shoot yourself in the foot and you are one for instant gratification and you can’t work hard to build a business. I mean, what is it, you tried for what two months, and because you couldn’t recruit someone it’s a scam. Please. I sent you an email and you didn’t return it. I asked you if you got anyone as an associate and are you not making any money with the company? I thought it was you that had some millionaire friends that got you started. Maybe I’m wrong there. If not ask them to produce you info on what they made off you. This can be a very hard business to do with all the people screaming scam here without a cause. In fact I heard of this blog right away from a guy that I was trying to recruit needless to say he was scared away. I am convinced this company will go places. If I made any money or not what’s the difference to you? I have signed up associates and I do have customers. Do you? If you were a successful associate you’d know that they don’t issue checks, they do wire transfers. You think I am giving you any information you’re nuts. Here you are if you really got into the company you are just throwing your money away and chasing any potential customers like you have leporsy or something. All you guys are doing is trying to destroy a great business.
Comment by E | January 25th, 2009
A number of posts ago, the discussion focused on the legality (or lack thereof) of Dubli’s activities in various states. Since Dubli is marketing nationwide, are they making the assertion that their activities are legal in every state?
I was reviewing the California Penal Code and it sounds a lot like the Zero Bid auction meets the definition of a ‘lottery’ (which is illegal in California). Here is the wording of California Penal Code 319:
A lottery is any scheme for the disposal or distribution of property by chance, among persons who have paid or promised to pay any valuable consideration for the chance of obtaining such property or a portion of it, or for any share or any interest in such property, upon any agreement, understanding, or expectation that it is to be distributed or disposed of by lot or chance, whether called a lottery, raffle, or gift enterprise, or by whatever name the same may be known.
The elements here are:
a) the distribution of property by chance (which is met since no one who is bidding on it is guaranteed to win).
b) among persons who have paid valuable consideration for the chance to obtain such property ($.80 per “chance”).
c) upon the agreement, understanding or expectation that it is to be distributed by chance (this is evident).
d) whether called a lottery or by “whatever name” (Zero Bid).
As such, it appears that the Zero Bid auction is a “lottery”.
The penalties for violations (as it relates to what Dubli may be doing) seem to be found in California Penal Code 322:
Every person who aids or assists, either by printing, writing, advertising, publishing, or otherwise in setting up, managing, or drawing any lottery, or in selling or disposing of any ticket, chance, or share therein, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
I can see their associates could be:
a) advertising - Dubli websites, affilliate sites, general promotion or selling of the business (auctions) to others.
b) publishing - they are publishing the actions / lottery.
c) selling tickets - yes (after the free ones).
d) disposing of tickets (via the free ones?) - maybe.
Thoughts?
Comment by Me again | January 25th, 2009
Hey E you got my attention. I will have to check that out.
Thanks.
Comment by Me again | January 25th, 2009
You know I’ve been thinking about this E. We may not be able to function in California. But I’m not sure that’s the case. The company doesn’t say so. That would be a big market to lose. Now I don’t live there myself. You may not if you live in Cali be able to do the biz. But we not only have the rest of the states, Canada, South America and I’m not sure how many more markets are coming on. But I still don’t think that stops customers from buying there. At any rate there’s going to be a lot of money with this company and it’s not like any other marketing company and there isn’t another biz quite like this. This is hot and I don’t mean with the law. LOL So E I do see your concern but come on. Look past that. Where it is legal and I think it is in all 50 states, you can make a bunch. Find out from California. We get paid to recruit associates but man the money will be in the customer base which isn’t really being promoted that much yet.
It kind of goes back to a dozen eggs. If you have a couple of bad eggs are you going to throw out the other ten? Hmmm I don’t think so. Any how the shopping portal is really where it’s at. Now there’s a chance that what they want to buy could be on auction so who are they going to come to, to shop? You can figure that out I hope. You’re not going to want to miss this. The nice thing about this company is that once you build it you won’t have to do it again and again like in typical companies. I can’t see much attrition. Get in at the highest level you can NOW!
Comment by Robbie | January 26th, 2009
“Ane Robbie how do we know you are from Germany.”
I don’t feel I have to prove it or give away any personal information. But I’m sure the owners of this site get to see my IP which indicates my location. However, since you’re not able to rebut anything I said above, I can see why you resort to questioning my location. I live in Germany, but in fact even without living here it’s pretty easy to find out that Dubli has never been a success here by using Google.de and preferably understanding some German.
Comment by Me again | January 26th, 2009
OK I will entertain you. So it’s not doing much there. Why can’t it continue making 6 figure incomes for the associates here? NOW tell me that! You doubt that? And Yeah Google.de hoho. Get in today. By the way I have some German myself.
Comment by Me again | January 26th, 2009
I took a look and I see a lot of activity over there advertised with the company. How in the world would you know what’s going on unless you got involved yourself? How would you know who’s in and who’s not? It’s a big Internet and we haven’t captured it all. Yet. But the jokes on me you must be working for the company.I found this interesting. Even if you can’t understand German I think one can get the idea. Looks great to me.
http://de.sevenload.com/videos/AkcpHaq-Dubli-Network-2-0
Oh and I got this information that Every Auction on our portal is proven by American law and is approved.
Die Zukunft beginnt JETZT… und Du bist von Beginn an dabei!
or
NOW the future begins … and you are present from beginning!
Comment by Robbie | January 26th, 2009
You don’t entertain me. But now you admit that Dubli is not a success in Germany. So why did you and some other Dubli associates in this thread keep writing the opposite? Because you’re not ashamed to tell lies in order to make some money? Or because someone told you that and you just buy everything you’re told hook, line and sinker?
“Why can’t it continue making 6 figure incomes for the associates here?”
Because for something to be continued, it must have started first. And yes, I doubt that it has. I haven’t found anything in Germany, but maybe you can show us some serious press coverage for Dubli in the US? Some credible proof of the Great American Success Story? Needless to say I’m not talking about all the Dubli-affiliated websites.
I also consider what I find through Google to be more trustworthy than your desperate attempts at conning a few people into this scam.
Comment by Robbie | January 26th, 2009
“I took a look and I see a lot of activity over there advertised with the company.”
What activity? There is very little activity. All you will find are some Dubli-affiliated web sites. They could have all been done by the same person. The Dubli auction site is a better activity indicator, because if there is no activity there, Dubli is exclusively about selling licences to sale licences to sell licences…(=Ponzi scheme) As I said before: In the German section of the site, auctions are finished only sporadically and many of them are won by the same buyers, which should be highly improbable, especially for Zero Bid and Unique Bid. This means that a) there are very few Dubli customers taking part in the auctions or/and b) most of the buyers are Dubli people trying to make the site look at least a little busy.
“How in the world would you know what’s going on unless you got involved yourself?”
Oh, I don’t have to be involved with Ebay to know they’re successful. You can read about it. Everyone knows them. There is a lot of activity on the sites. That’s how I know. And if it was the case with Dubli, I’m sure I would know, too. But it isn’t, it just isn’t.
“But the jokes on me you must be working for the company.”
For what company? What are you talking about?
Comment by Robbie | January 26th, 2009
“Even if you can’t understand German I think one can get the idea. Looks great to me.”
Actually, even if you understand German, this horrible, amateurish video gives very few clues on how Dubli works. And why do you post the link anyway? Is this supposed to be some proof of activity? It’s a video made BY Dubli. It seems to be their prefered way of advertising. Of course they could try to get some serious press attention. Problem is: That would reveal them as scammers..
Comment by Me again | January 26th, 2009
Did I say that they were not a success in Germany? I was just entertaining you. Boy you’re hot under the collar aren’t you?
Who do you expect to be advertising, but, the associates? That’s what we do, we advertise a real business. Oh sure just one guy does it all. Yep licenses are the main goal now and for a reason. What’s wrong with that? You need the store fronts before you get the customers don’t you? I mean if there is an empty lot where you know they are going to build a McDonald’s on, are you going to send customers there before they build it. We are in the building stage now. Make sense? And again you can’t have more customers than you can service! That wouldn’t work. It’s a very tenuous balance.
I mean it was just launched here October 4, 2008. Rome wasn’t built in a day as they say. Hey that rhymes. But you get the idea. You really think google is reliable. http://www.adscams.info/ Maybe your right. Maybe!
Comment by Charlie | January 27th, 2009
Once a Jarhead, always a Jarhead, to funny!
Comment by Robbie | January 27th, 2009
“Did I say that they were not a success in Germany?”
Pretty much here:
“So it’s not doing much there.”
“Boy you’re hot under the collar aren’t you?”
Am I? Where? I think you’re not being entertaining, you’re being evasive.
“Who do you expect to be advertising, but, the associates?”
But advertising means one-sided activity, as long as there are no buyers. I think that the licenses are the only goal, period. You said before that Dubli has been operating in Germany since 2003. Well, apparently they didn’t get very far and hardly anyone has ever heard of them. Again, why are they no serious press reports about them? Why does Dubli not attempt to get some positive press? Maybe because they’re not a legitimate company and they know it? The only article I can find on a respected German e-commerce web site is a warning against Dubli which is 2 years old.
Google is reliable as a tool (=search engine), so I don’t see the relevance of your link.
Comment by Gene | January 27th, 2009
I don’t see any relevance in anything you say!
Bye!
Comment by Charlie | January 27th, 2009
Don’t take things so personally “Me Again” it’s just a blog for God’s sake, Did you think I was trying to get your checking account information or something ridiculous like that, I’m rich dude! I was just trying to get a rise out of someone and you’re to easy. I’m a girlscout? I have “Leporsy” as you say correct spelling is Leprosy and in Hawaii it’s not a punchline, the next time you get one of your massive wire tranfers come to Maui, see my house ride in my car, I certainly don’t need your money, and I don’t use anonymous names, everyone that reads this knows my real name and my address, To tell you the truth I hope I’m wrong about Dubli, I’ll be the first to admit it. Go with God Soldier.
Comment by Gene/Me again/me | January 27th, 2009
I am not a soldier and never have been but I did get an honourable discharge and I will attempt to go with God. I asked you to call me back and told you when I was available, but you didn’t. Love to see you in Maui and see about the leprosy (correct spelling) you talk about thanks for looking it up for me. LOL! Yes I don’t spell that great thanks. I never had it LOL. Leprosy that is and I never said you did Robbie. Just using a metaphor. I gave a website rich man every time I posted at least one of them where one can reach me and you can see who’s writing very easily and that’s the idea. Just look at the site. I mean really I am not hiding. Did you really join the company? If so do you always just throw your money around and not see something through? Did you inherit your riches?
You sound like a great guy over the phone and I’d be happy to make your acquaintance, send me a ticket. Make that two I can bring my wife. Only a blog but in your futile efforts you’re really trying to put a damper on the business which all can see to be uncalled for. I mean we’re just getting started. It will take time. But it’s good to get in now and take the hard knocks and build it. Thus my contention, but I think all can see you’re in a battle you can’t win and I put enough effort here that reasonable people can concur there is not a problem with the company and it’s goals, just this blog. Hey you can still call. If you get the machine leave a message and I’ll get back to you when I can or when is the best time to reach you?
Comment by Charlie | January 27th, 2009
Like I said, I hope and pray that I’m wrong about Dubli, time will tell, and by the way you’re right you and I would be friends in person it’s all I know, I’m only doing this for fun I won’t be blogging for a few weeks.
Comment by dream team | January 28th, 2009
here is the address of the logistics center in AZ, I personally went to this site, Eaglescout claimed it is a church, and is dead wrong, along with so many other false claims made about this company. Eaglescout is nothing more than a great promoter of scam talk to earn a penny off advertising using Dubli as his platform for negetive press.
Google MonaVie and Scam, the largest scam site makes a killing on this type of biz model, selling fear to those that are on the fence looking for a way to get out of the rat race and start their own biz from home. Traffic = advertising dollars. Eaglescout may even be paid by Ebay to generate lies that 99% of the readers here cant really prove. Guess what, I am the 1% I guess, he is wrong, he has lied and Im happy with the homework I and many others have done, while everyone else makes excuses, I and my team are making lemonade.
Here is the address of Dubli Fulfillment center-
15735 N 83rd Way, Scottsdale AZ 85260
this is right off the label from a box from an item I bought and received via UPS. I would give you the tracking number too but then you could trace that back to my house and call it a vacant hill as 4 years ago thats what it was. Its not that hard to put a “spin” on the truth.
good times
Comment by Gene | January 28th, 2009
I call what Eaglescout is doing as scamapedia. Oh and Charlie I used Robbie for Charlie in my last post. Excuse me. I was tired and it was getting late here.
If you trace the phone number on the label from the box, back to the company, you find the company uses these guys, a world class service.
http://www.globalduplication.com/
It doesn’t look like a church. They’ve been around from well look here and seem to be doing a great job Warehousing. They say,
Ease your inventory burden by storing your products in our climate-controlled warehouse. Your products are always monitored and protected in our secure facility, and are immediately available for processing and shipment.
Comment by gimmeabreak | January 28th, 2009
Whoever run this site makes money every time somebody googles Dubli….and make money off of Adsense…lots of it I’m sure. Being controversial drives traffic…go figure.
Comment by goodforthem | January 28th, 2009
may be they deserve some money. sure didn’t learn any of this any where else.
Comment by Charlie | January 29th, 2009
Amen, “Goodforthem” I’ve found this site very informative and fun. So why not it hasn’t cost me a penny. Peace.
Comment by Skeptic | January 30th, 2009
I just heard of this site “DUBLI” a few weeks ago. Although I’m not a fortune teller, I have a STRONG feeling this site is gonna be very profitable. I am strongly considering joining. If it goes BIG, I wanna be there….
Comment by eaglescout | January 30th, 2009
Not much of a reader, are you, “skeptic”?
Comment by Skeptic | January 31st, 2009
I occasionally read Mr Eaglescout. I guess your savvy demeanor speaks volumes. Anyway, I went to a DUBLI meeting last night and joined. This business seems very legitimate and I have a great feeling about it. It’s a great opportunity for those willing to take a calculated risk.
Save this post Mr Eaglescout. In a year or so, you could use it against me if DUBLI fails.
Although, I doubt it will. Take care. Mr. Skeptic
Comment by eaglescout | January 31st, 2009
Your vagueness reminds me of DubLi propaganda.
True skeptics don’t base their decisions on feelings.
What a coincidence, so is everything else, including murder!
Comment by beavis | February 1st, 2009
Umm, I was just at Dubli’s website and I looked up the completed auctions. There is not enough volume going through this site to justify a mom and pop operation much less a replacement for Ebay. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t some merchandise have to get moved (I know, I’m just nit picking to all of you “big picture” types)? So, let’s see, there is dog squat for sales volume which means revenues from auctions can’t provide the funds for all of you Dubli types to reach your lofty goals? Let me guess, volume increases are right around the corner and only those who get in early will make the big bucks. In the mean time all of you recruits are shoveling off your own funds to Dubli’s corporate.
“Skeptic” wrote:
“It’s a great opportunity for those willing to take a calculated risk. ”
If you don’t mind me asking, what exactly did you “calculate”?
(this is a fictitious question; please, please don’t answer; really, I don’t want to hear the answer. . . really; I get the bit that if you recruit 10 people and they recruit ten people who then recruit 10 people you will attain world dominance 90 days)
Excuse me now, I have to go make up some lies for some scammers (it’s a hobby I have messing with Internet scam artists). You should drop by; we have a lot of fun dealing with people that want to make us rich. You’ll learn a lot about get rich quick schemes. In fact, once you learn the “modalities” of the scammers you might see some things that look very familiar.
Comment by Skeptic | February 1st, 2009
I am not recruiting anyone for this site Mr. Eaglescout. In fact, I am not looking to recruit anyone. I know I’ll make a good profit off my customer base. You, nor anyone else needs to join. I’m good with it. DUBLI is gonna be a profit maker and I will be part of it.
As far as the site goes, Yes, there isn’t activity(like E-BAY) right now. Give it some time, at least until May or June 2009. This site is customer driven and right now it has moderate traffic. As the word get’s out, it will explode. Run the site through compete.com and you’ll find phenominal growth (833% to be exact).
I like you Mr. Eaglescout. You make me laugh with your negative outlook. Yes, I am a SKEPTIC, especially with these ponzie schemes trying to take peoples hard earned money. I can assure you, DUBLI isn’t one. This site will be big…
Go DUBLI!!!
Comment by dream team | February 1st, 2009
is it me or is it odd I provide specific facts to refute eaglescout re people getting paid, products being delivered to customers at discount with very reasonable shipping costs, and where the fulfillment center is in AZ complete with address, (that he claims is a church) and eaglescout wont respond? The most basic info has been in place to prove him wrong and yet eaglescout continues this is a scam still? The question then I have for eaglescout is who has been scammed? Give me one name and number or email so we can all be educated with facts of actual damages occuring that should be reported to the DA office instead of the blind loaded theories of Scam talk. I am living proof this is not a scam. Shoot me your cell number and we can meet in person anytime, anyplace and I will provide you with every legal detail you need to move on, unless of course that puts a major dent in your own scam to sell advertising space based on a lie.
Comment by beavis | February 1st, 2009
Skeptic,
Less than 75,000 visitors and typically less than 12 successful auctions a day. . . hmmm. . . I think I’ll pass on that “get rich quick” Koolaide.
Did it ever occur to you that with even the moderate traffic Dubli receives, it should be doing far better than what it is doing? Caesars Palace’s website gets approximately the same number of visitors and they are doing some business. Let me give you a hint as to why Dubli is not; their “reverse auction” concept sucks. There, I’ve said it. The problem with Dubli is their product is poo. Their real product is selling people like you “a great opportunity for those willing to take a calculated risk”. In Nigeria they have a couple of applicable terms: “mugus” which means “fools” and “guyman”which means “master of fools”. I think it is obvious who the mugus are and who the guyman are.
Comment by beavis | February 2nd, 2009
dream team,
I looked up the “fullfillment center” info for Dubli you provided. 15735 N 83rd Way, Scottsdale AZ 85260 is the address for GLABAL CASSETTES. I think your item was drop shipped from them. Anyway, with the volume of products Dubli is selling in the US I would think a room at Motel 6 would be sufficient for their US operations (plus it has the advantage of being moved quickly if the state’s Attorney General gets to be a problem).
Comment by beavis | February 2nd, 2009
My mistake; there is also GDF Fulfillment Solutions (packing and shipping company). Maybe they trotted down from the Motel 6 and shipped it from there.
Comment by Robbie | February 2nd, 2009
“I don’t see any relevance in anything you say!”
LOL, I see common sense obviously won’t get through to you, so I guess time and your account ballance will have to do it.
“Whoever run this site makes money every time somebody googles Dubli….and make money off of Adsense”
Yeah, brilliant idea! Considering the traffic and public awareness of Dubli, Eaglescout must be a Zillionaire already. Man, if you want to discredit someone, at least think up somehting more convincing…
Comment by Skeptic | February 2nd, 2009
Mr. Beavis, You sure live up to your name. What were him and his partners famous words? Oh yeah, “butt head”. You are a SCHIESTER! I see your game and I’m willing to play it. Again,
DUBLI will be the biggest thing to hit the internet market.
It’s obvious you don’t believe in it however, I and other intellegent individuals do. So do us a favor, stay on the porch! Go DUBLI!!!
Comment by not a dumbass | February 3rd, 2009
You people seriously sound as if you are 1st graders. DUBLI is a cult meant for stupid people that dont know how to investigate things online. Which of you dumbasses has received a check that resulted in an actual profit?
Comment by dream team | February 3rd, 2009
hey, not a dumbass,
You think what you did was really investigation? lol…
I got 2 checks, one for $4,608 and another for $6,018, my next check slated to direct deposit on the 15th of feb is for 10,945.00. I paid a one time investment of $3,291 on Dec 9th. After seening this makes sense, I bought another position for my wife so I could use the discounted credits to sign up a charity to help injured riders, go to http://www.riderdownauctions.com . I paid for them to have this site so anyone that gets hurt in a MotoX accident can get some help financially, so it is a good cause, people window shop, the charity makes 30%, I make about 1/3 of what they make, everyone is happy….. I have over 200 retail clients signed up since I started and Im not even trying to sign them up! I work very very part time (1-2 hrs a day) and know people personally making over 20k a month now from their one time investment and a few emails and a little effort. Why dont you send me a personal email and I will be happy to give you more specifics. This is not a joke and not a scam. The money made is from people window shopping to find deals, not just when they buy the product, but that is on the way soon, over 6 million products on the way using Dubli as a worldwide internet platform to direct shoppers to the best deals. The auction site is merely a one phase fun deal that was released first, it is a very small part of what Dubli will be.
I also bought a cookbook for my wife cheap on the site, had it delivered and it sits in my Kitchen now paid for less than I could get it anywhere on the net. Happy wife, happy life, and money to show for it…..
Recap-
I made profit and got investment money back very quick,
help a good cause by helping others at my expense,
understand the big picture of what the biz model is and am not scared to make money,
bought a product cheap that we needed so very badly…lol
So whos the dumbass now?
you dont have the money,
didnt help anyone,
dont understand the biz cuz you have never tried,
and dont have a sweet cookbook your wife uses now….
more good times.
Comment by dream team | February 3rd, 2009
Beavis,
really, that was your only arguemnt to me proving Eaglescout theory wrong about the address…., motel 6? Did you know the investors in Dubli are worth hundreds of millions? Do you know who they are? Get on a plane and meet me in Phoenix next weekend and for the price of a GOld Package I may introduce you to them….haha.
From Bevis-
“My mistake; there is also GDF Fulfillment Solutions (packing and shipping company). Maybe they trotted down from the Motel 6 and shipped it from there.”
So Eaglescout, another Hater just proved my point you lie…
Beavis, the smartest thing you have said here was “my mistake”
That puts you in the same arena as Eaglescout as to making mistakes, so whos next now for a truth beating?
Clearly not Dumbass, he was too easy.
That should tee him up now for a total subjective slandering we can all enjoy for our amusement.
Dubli is fun.
The truth = priceless.
Comment by eaglescout | February 4th, 2009
You can’t refute something that wasn’t said.
I don’t recall you providing any facts regarding the above, especially in the form of refutations.
If the DubLi warehouse is not (or was not) a church run by Linda Cross, then I may have made a mistake regarding the warehouse. Nevertheless, I have yet to look into whether Linda Cross and Harvest International are in league with DubLi or not.
It’s a little odd that DubLi would allow Linda Cross to advertise her DubLi site as a business associate if she is spreading lies about DubLi.
Ibidem.
Missing word; Check your grammar.
The “business associates” who were persuaded to advertise for DubLi for a yearly fee.
The “business associates” who can’t sell DubLi products to anyone but themselves. (Thus, they are not really DubLi associates, they are just DubLi customers who are subsidizing the lotteries).
People who end up inadvertently gambling and playing the lottery on DubLi and buying computers with conflicting (impossible) technical specifications.
Most of the people who are involved are being deceived or are deceiving others one way or another. Check this page for references.
If you feel the need to meet in person, send me an email that matches your IP address. However, if you have every legal detail relevant to DubLi, wouldn’t you rather post it here where it is publicly available?
You may have provided a the real location of DubLi’s fulfillment center. Great start! Now disprove that DubLi is a lottery, that the 3rd game has a heavy gambling component, that DubLi is an MLM, that at least 2 of DubLi’s current or former executives are in legal trouble related to scam-artistry, that DubLi doesn’t have any more customers today than it did last October, that DubLi doesn’t make money from the only non-gambling, non-lottery game, unless it marks up the starting prices above market value.
Read up on Bayes’ Theorem, or statistical modeling for an explanation on why the burden of proof is now on DubLi.
“Beavis” said it best:
Comment by Skeptic | February 4th, 2009
Yeah, O.K. Cub Scout or “I’m sorry”, eaglescout
Dubli is the best thing to hit the internet since google or ebay……You’ll be joining soon (Unless you already have!).
Like I said before, if you want stats, go to Competition.com (no affiliation with Dubli). Growth is great and will keep climbing as time goes on.
You can’t dispute that, Girl Scout.
Comment by Insidious | February 4th, 2009
“Competition.com“? A++.
Yeah, poopyeagle, take that.
poopyeagle, why do you complain so much about DubLi if you intend to join DubLi for its perks like being part of a cult?
All the big people like my main man Osama and OJ are in it. Heck, even Santi Fuentes ran it for a while!
O my G 350 comments!
Comment by beavis | February 5th, 2009
Dream Team,
Selling tokens that are non-redeemable for cash seems to pay pretty well.
Skeptic,
Web traffic is up on Dubli’s site; auction traffic is dog poop. That is what you do, auction stuff; right? Oh, my mistake, like Dream Team you sell tokens that are non-redeemable for cash. Or how about those seller accounts so you can hope that your auctions are one of those precious few successful ones? Oh, my mistake, again; money is selling the seller accounts that rarely generate successful auctions. If I missed anything in your business model, please correct me (I know you will because you believe). One more thing, your auction site hardly sells anything; I repeat, your auction site hardly sells anything. Did I mention that your auction site hardly sells anything?
Comment by Visman | February 6th, 2009
Real deal …
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/11293045/Microsoft_Office_2007_Pro_Retail_FREE_SHIPPING.html
Do the calculations yourself … and did not have to buy in nor pay 80c …
Regards
Visman
Comment by Visman | February 6th, 2009
Forgot to say … R7600 at Incredible connection …
http://www.incredible.co.za/services/catalog/moreinfo.asp?sku=60879
Regards
Comment by beavis | February 6th, 2009
Visman,
You are missing the point. Dubli is about signing up more people who then sign up more people, and, provided you ignore the attrition rate that decimates all MLM calculations, your eventual net worth climbs logarithmically until buy your own country, get an army and become a superpower. The auction is just a distraction while Dubli sells others the right to solicit others for money. Only a fool hit upside the head with the stupid stick by Barry Bonds would bid on one these auctions. 80 cents lowers the price 25 cents. . . THWACK!
Comment by beavis | February 6th, 2009
OK, I’ve completely changed my tune; Dubli is legit. After much research I’ve gotten through the hype. I’ve even come up with a way to buy in. You see, I recently got this letter:
Federal Ministry of Finance
Plots 745 & 746, Ahmadu B3ll0 Way,
Central Area, P.M.B 14 Garki, Abuja
Dear Beneficiary,
Re: Your Certified Bank Draft Payment
I am the newly Appointed Finance Minister, I resumed office in my present capacity on the 5th of January 2009.Formerly I was the Director General, Debt Management office in the presidency before I was appointed the Minister of Finance.
Your file number ‘ADK00192′ as an unpaid beneficiary is among those forwarded to my table. And I have discovered that all efforts you have made in the past to receive this fund was unsuccessful due to improper conduct and activities of some fraudulent government officials who have been dismissed presently by the Presidency.
As a matter of urgency, this office has only approved a part payment of $3.3 Million United State dollars for 2,350 Beneficiaries from Asia, Europe, America, Africa, Oceania and South America.
Arrangement to release this fund through certified Bank Draft has commenced. You are urgently requested to reconfirm your details as follows: - Full names, Address, Mobile Telephone and a copy of your Identification. These information will enable us expedite action on the release of your Bank Draft to you.
Yours faithfully,
Mr Mansur MuhKtar
Finance Minister (FRN)
So, if one of you Dubli fans can send me the fees necessary by Western Union ($10,000 USD) I can complete this transaction and then I can buy into Dubli through you. We all win!
Comment by Visman | February 7th, 2009
You are missing the point. Dubli is about signing up more people who then sign up more people, and, provided you ignore the attrition rate that decimates all MLM calculations …
Beaves
>>> not missing the point, just pointing out that auctions >>> are about out bidding onother, yet still making a kill >>> without having to buy discounts, and furthermore pay to >>> advertise the auctioneer.
The next post … smells like a 419, taste like a 419 … sorry I aint no Dubli fan … or I may just have fallen for it! LOL
Comment by Visman | February 7th, 2009
OK Get the picture … should have followed your link in the first place …
Comment by beavis | February 7th, 2009
Dubli members,
I’m copyrighting a new term: “Dublidiot”. If it is stamped on your forehead you owe me a token (you will probably have to ask your friends or relatives as you probably can’t see it yourself).
Visman,
It is a good site. We get really frustrated with the “vics” (victims). Greed really blinds people.
Comment by Visman | February 7th, 2009
In one of my older posts I touched on greed …
For some or other reason, there are many, people caught into the scam via a greed factor is blinded!
As for greed. Any good sales person uses greed and plays on the greed factor as part of the marketing concept. If you do not understand that, I suggest you write in for a good coarse in marketing. I have no intention in giving you one for free. Promises of a good to even great riches. Savings and so on. Using them all correctly building in an element of trust and help and you have your victim. The first element is always trust, then the rest completing the circle with the final HELP factor. Everybody uses it in some or other way closing a deal, by that I mean a fair deal. It’s called good business. Unfortunately the same concepts is available to ruthless people.
In a scam this is combined with inner greed used by ruthless scammers who do not care who they harm on their way to the own riches. Greed is their motivating and moving factor for setting up the scam in the first place, using the very same greed in others.
Greed really does blind people, specificaly people in need …
Comment by Skeptic | February 7th, 2009
OK VISMAN & BEAVIS, LET ME GUESS…. &^%EATER IS YOUR WEB-SITE, RIGHT? GENIUS… YOU TWO ARE THE SCAMMERS, NOT http://WWW.DUBLI.COM
Comment by beavis | February 7th, 2009
Skeptic,
I’ll try to type slowly and use small words for you. It is an anti-scamming site. It is called a “baiter” site as the the participants, “baiters”, goal is to waste the scammers’ time and resources (and have a good time doing it). I view you as a “vic” or victim, and a stubborn one at that. Our goal is to protect people like you but we can’t always get through to your type, especially when you are on a mission to part with your money. There is no 20 million dollars waiting for you in a trunk box at a security company, you did not win the AOL/Microsoft lotto, the 2007 BMW on Craigs List will never get delivered to you for $700, the totally hot Russian chick will never arrive at your doorstep after you send her the airfare, and the market for a crazy-ass auction with onerous terms is smaller than you could ever imagine. Trust me, if I was a scammer I would have you cashing hot checks for me by now and your bank account would be emptied because you are so gullible.
Comment by Visman | February 7th, 2009
Hi Skeptic
Now what shall I be scamming with? Maybe you out of a deal? For a company existing since 2003, Dubli is doing pretty well right? And it still promise it will still do well right?
I will copy paste a previous post for you, and please do not tell me Dubli manage do not read, or maybe they cannot read or defend the finding … or maybe do not understand, or if they understand, do not have the capability to act accordingly … now which shall that be?
To understand, you have to read all the posts on this site and follow the links. There are various other sites dealing with Dubli, some extremely blatant against Dubli calling it a scam. This site however covers the most information even though it is not as blatant.
In a very short summary, no person, nor any business has to stand back when bad publicity blows in its neck. However Hanson has been accused of bankrupting various companies, the links are provided in this blog to prove same, and so has Dubli been ripped apart. Neither has done anything to rebut these accusations other than denying same verbally (in writing on the internet) without any solid proof. Neither has taken any legal steps to remedy the situation. Obviously it is hurting the business and the person. That in itself calls for suspicions big time.
That in itself furthermore calls for DISHONESTY, and how in the world will it be possible for anyone to measure the so called clicks? You will never be able to tell. Neither will you have full control over your so called business, other than selling licences. Then it is no business other than paying someone else for the opportunity to market their business and receive a commission on same = salesman, nothing else.
Calling it a business is hyped up emotional glorification. Everybody wants somehow to have control over their destination. See the spam I received. They sell a way to get rich without any solid proof that same be sustainable.
Discount is based on luck, no business is based on luck other than sound honest hard work.
1. IDUBLICATE is a POWERFUL, PROVEN, step-by-step system that thousands of people just like you have followed to start their own moneymaking Internet businesses.
Take note … IDUBLICATE!!! They are selling licences to sell licences.
Dubli furthermore at this point in time remains in debt to its clients / associates, actually sale persons, too prove it is not a scam, and not using the current world economic crisis with its subsequent emotional issues around job losses to take last pennies out of needy pockets to create their own wealth.
Although not official, but considering the evidence presented with the respondent not rebutting same with solid proof, and with the vague attempts by Dubli to rebut without proof, if this has to presented before a chairperson, at this point in time the chairperson will have no choice but to declare Dubli a SCAM.
End …
If you read the older post, all of it, you will not only find the above but much more. Sit down, do the maths (check it, make sure it is correct), think about what you read before answering …
Now think again with your own personal experience you had from Dubli. You can hide it from the world, not from yourself.
Regards
Comment by Skeptic | February 8th, 2009
YOU’RE RIGHT VISMAN, DUBLI WILL BE A PROFITABLE..NICE TO SEE YOU JOINED….WWW.DUBLI.COM
Comment by Visman | February 8th, 2009
Gues I wrote to fast …
Comment by Skeptic | February 8th, 2009
Good Investment Visman…www.dubli.com
Comment by beavis | February 8th, 2009
Skeptic,
how would you like to make some real money? Iv’e invented a totally new program called a “sideways pyrimid”. Unlike Dubli, it moves left to right instead of top to bottom. Think of the profit! I know you’ll get it because you are a forward thinker (unlike Visman who thinks all pyramid and Ponzi schemes are dishonest). I can get you on board for only $5,000; but, if you act right now we’ll double the offer and give you two memberships for the price of one; but wait, we’re not done yet! Sign up only two more people with your order and we’ll throw in this DELUXE set of Ginsu knives! Just call 1-800-IMAMUGU and give the code “fool4life”.
Comment by Visman | February 9th, 2009
Drop Shipping … Just something I by accident stumbled over. Hey Skeptic … check it out! You ever bought on ebay? Wondered how the sellers work? Check it out! Here just one, and they are many a plenty!
http://www.doba.com/
Or has Dubli by chance, Damn I wonder about that “chance” though up the idea of using drop shipping … clever! Now one has to pay 80c for a not gauranteed 25c discount because it may befall someone else … not forgetting the license fees though!
Just checking …
By the way Skeptic … I am a legal representative in South Africa (for incase you may think I advertise for an overseas company-saleman you know. Dubli has not made it localy, then in actual fact they never thought about drop shipping. My appologies for over estimating their intelectual capability!
Regards
Comment by Visman | February 9th, 2009
Dealing with Drop-Shippers in Your eBay Business
A drop-shipper is a business that stocks merchandise and sells it to you (the reseller) — but ships the merchandise directly to your customer.
By using a drop-shipper, you transfer the risks of buying merchandise, shipping it, and storing it to another party. You become a stockless retailer with no inventory hanging around — often an economical, cost-effective way to do business.
The following steps outline the standard way to work with most drop-shippers via eBay:
1. Sign up on the drop-shipper’s Web site to sell their merchandise on eBay or in your Web store.
Be sure you’ve checked out their terms before you sign up — to be sure there’s no minimum purchase upon signing up.
2. Select the items from their inventory that you wish to sell.
For this example, say the item you select costs $6.99. The supplier gives you descriptive copy and photographs to help make your sales job easier.
3. Post the item online and wait (fidgeting with anticipation) for someone to buy it.
By the way, you’ll be selling this item for $19.99 plus shipping.
4. As soon as your buyer pays for the item, e-mail the drop-shipper (or fill out a special secure form on their Web site) and pay for the item with your credit card or PayPal.
5. Relax while the drop-shipper ships the item to your customer for you.
6. If all goes well, the item arrives quickly and safely.
You make a profit and get some positive feedback.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/dealing-with-dropshippers-in-your-ebay-business.html
The rest you may read yourself, do however not miss out on http://www.dropshippingsucks.com/start.htm
Clearly mega patience and a lot of homework before one parts with those cents …
find the holes …
Regards
Comment by Visman | February 9th, 2009
Silence is golden, so shuttup and get rich!
Know what? Dealing with the likes, takes time, and time = money.
Getting nowhere … well meant brings nobody anywhere. Go enjoy your business. I truly hope I am wrong, since 2008? Nothing changed on the promises delivered by Dubli? Right?
Regards from a sunny / rainy (had a lot lately and love it) Pretoria
Visman
Comment by dream team | February 9th, 2009
made 1200 bucks today in Dubli-
didnt spend a dime.
periodically I will chime in to let you know my income, thats all that matters while you opportunity cost yourself into a bigger hole waiting.
Comment by Visman | February 9th, 2009
Any proof of such? Why should you be believed?
Comment by beavis | February 10th, 2009
I believe dream team made the money while not spending a dime because most of what people buy from Dubli is just a dream. Think of the mark-up on selling dreams; it’s right up there with selling religion (and after hearing from some of these Dublidiots I’m beginning to think of Dubli as a religion). How do you create income in Dubli when the auctions (the supposed product of Dubli) are not doing hardly any volume? Easy, talk people into joining the pyramid and pocket some fees; the auction is just a distraction so that the pyramid structure is obscured. Yes dream team, I believe you are making money; I also believe the Dubli product is a crock. You are selling the income from a pyramid scheme under the guise of an auction house. Pyramids make money initially and then screw the majority on the bottom. That is why they are illegal. Throw in a product, no matter how bad of a product it is, and you can often defend it as not being a pyramid. I think Dubli is right on the edge legally and I think they fail the morality test.
And then there are the laughable claims. Twelve “successful” auctions a day and Dubli propaganda turns it around and says they are taking market share from eBay. Do you realize how insane of a comment that is? It insults the intelligence hearing these claims yet your Dubli websites are full of them. The odds of Dubli, with its lack of market penetration and incredibly low sales volumes, in beating eBay is comparable to “A whelk’s chance in a supernova,” (quote from Douglas Adams; a whelk is a small snail and a supernova is, well, a supernova). The idea that you would present such ludicrously twisted statements to people in order to recruit them is something a sociopath would do. I’m getting to dislike you guys more than the Nigerian scammers.
Comment by eaglescout | February 10th, 2009
I agree. They are just on the edge legally. It is my understanding that they consulted with a legal firm that specializes in MLM.
Although I suspect “the morality test” is strictly a metaphor, I’m curious as to whether you had something specific in mind.
If you look at the DubLi management profiles on the main website, you will see they keep getting better as the criticism gets worse. Michael Hansen went from marketing ACN in Denmark (accessed last year), to working in creative environments such as LEGO (accessed today).
DubLi has about 1 month to go before all of this starts showing up in internet archives, such as waybackmachine.
Comment by beavis | February 10th, 2009
eaglescout,
Oh no, the “morality test” is real. We tie their hands and feet and throw them into deep water. If they sink we pull them out and burn them as witches
Comment by Mike | February 10th, 2009
This is great! Absolutely no specifics are provided. Absolutely no footnoted references exist within these pages. Really, all I read on this page are ad-hominem attacks and zero evidence to back them up. However, I do note a lot of corrections, which indicates the author is more intent on throwing up conjcture, rather than making a water tight case. Why would someone do that?
Oh, I see why. The various links you provide (as proof, no less), are all related to this site. In other words, the authors of this page are the ones pulling the scam, all in order to get people to view their pages and increase advertising revenue.
I must say, you guys are a bright bunch. Here’s how it works:
You set up an enemy whose name is prominant on the Web (in this case Dubli), throw around specious arguments and attacks, with no documentation or specifics (kind of funny how, since there are no specifics, you cannot be sued, huh!), and then litter your site with ads (which are dripping with irony because THEY ARE ALL MLM ADS!), for which you charge based upon measurable hits on your website.
You guys have a great scam going! I’m telling you, it’s pure genius! Be the scam by pretending to report on a scam. Criminal minds are funny to watch. It’s lik ewatching my 3-year-old try to do something they think I do not understand, all in hopes of fooling me and getting away with it. Well, you fooled me, I actually clicked on your site.
Just say “thank you” for my click, and the revenue it provided. You were right about one thing, though: This scam is barely legal.
Comment by eaglescout | February 10th, 2009
To Mike,
Yes it is!
Sure they are.
Would you prefer your references footnoted, or inline hyper-linked?
What kind of evidence are you looking for, besides primary sources?
That indicates to me that the author might be interested in putting bleeding edge information on DubLi at the risk of being wrong every once in a while.
Because DubLi has changed over time, some corrections are actually updates. Just wait for the publicly available internet archives to come out.
Five links on the article go to pages inside The Spin Factor, where you’ll find translations and mathematical analysis, and more outside sources.
Five other links direct you to other outside sources.
The specifics and documentation are there, but a few were recently removed due to copyright claims. I’ve linked to specifics when the information has been removed.
Some are MLM related, and most are not. If MLMers want to waste their money advertising the scams that I’m debunking, then that is hilarious. I see nothing wrong in letting deceptive MLMs like DubLi shoot themselves in the foot.
Think about it! They are paying to be debunked! They are offering themselves as examples of internet trash.
DubLi is a great model, because it has everything! People looking to study marketing and deception would do well to study DubLi.
You seem to be angry because we are offering information about DubLi that is hard to find. Why don’t you offer counterexamples? Show us where we went wrong and why, and we will fix it!
Comment by beavis | February 10th, 2009
Mike,
What part of Dubli’s pathetic auction traffic do you not find verifiable? What part of their ridiculous comparisons of themselves to eBay do I need to further clarify for you? You mentioned you have gone through all of these posts and you still attack the author of this site? You just want to believe so bad that you are a lost cause. You are a victim of your own greed and ignorance is no longer an excuse for you because it has been spelled out for you and yet you continue to defend Dubli. This site is not for you. It is for the people that can still be saved from the manipulations of a morally bankrupt company and are not blinded by greed but are just victims. You are no longer what I consider a victim; you are part of the problem.
Comment by Mike | February 10th, 2009
Not angry, I just appreciate the huge scam you are running. One would have to be absolutely blind to miss it. You claim to have evidence, and then link to another page on your own site, which then references numerous items that have either been changed, due to seemingly incompetent verification, or with documents being removed “due to copyright claims”. So, your “evidence” evaporates in thin air.
You opine that the auctions are actually “lotteries”. Fine. I opine that taxes are really theft. But, that is opinion, not fact. Much like your view of the auctions.
You hyperlink to your own site to back your own charges. That is much like a prosecutor calling himself to the stand, saying his word is impeccable, while regularly changing his testimony and making money off the it the entire time (as you are with all the MLM ads on your site…hilarious!).
You ask for where you went wrong? How about verifiable proof that is not affiliated with your own income stream? Or, perhaps something other than a single entry on some one-off website with one guy claiming he didn’t receive his goods. That would be a great first start. Until that time, your “evidence” wouldn’t hold up in a jr. high school debate. Come on, stop pretending like children, and be grown ups here.
By the way, there is no anger. I am actually in awe of your scam. You guys offer absolutely no proof (none), then use the Dubli name to attract readers, who then click on your “hyprlinks” to your own sites, thereby deriving more clicks and income for you. You guys are laughing all the way to the bank. Your site is a tremendous scam.
Bravo! To actually pull off a scam like this requires a huge set of brass ones. The most telling tip is your inability to deal with push back without personalizing or internalizing it. That is what one does when there is no evidence, backup, or independent verification of their claims.
If you have this entire electronic paper trail, which is purportedly an indictment of Dubli, place it all on one, single page, with valid links (to verifiable, independent sources, unaffiliated with you), and accessible information, that can be easily downloaded and reviewed, with actual addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, full names and specific titles of those making said claims.
The heresay and conjecture that has been put forth thus far is laughable. Once you get serious, please let me know. Until that time, I can no more take you and this site seriously than I can a kidergardener teaching me about astrophysics using only Dora the Explorer graphics that seemingly disappear or are “removed due to copyright claims”.
But you do state your opinions loudly. And we all know what opinions are like.
BTW, I can’t wait to see the “rebuttal”, where you again provide no valid links, no verifiable sources, and nothing that leads to more clicks and advertising dollars for you and the MLM’s you are pushing on your site (and don’t blame that on Google. That is a coward’s move. Take responsibility for your own actions and DON’T SPIN).
Comment by Mike | February 10th, 2009
Beavis - Nice. Don’t provide specifics (aside from your own evaporated, bad, and discontinued links from your own site) and throw ad hominems at the guys making obvious observations about your flawed methodology.
After all, I am not defending Dubli. I am simply poking rational holes in your flawed presentation. Your hyperlinks are no good. Your evidence is flimsy, at best, leaving you unblle to sway anyone with even a room temperature IQ.
I am in telecommunications, and have been for 15 years. I have started various telecom companies (Nextel launch team, from Fleet Call), and worked within the high tech arena for years. I am independently wealthy alredy. Greed has nothing to do with it from my standpoint. However, it seems that the people running this site are drivenn by greed, as the only “evidence” that is presented is circular in nature, involving intenal references that do nothing but drive ad revenue for the owners of this site.
I am not involved with Dubli in any way. But, after reading your “evidence”, it is claear that it is YOU, those running this site, that are the true scam artists. That is the greed we are talking about here. So, please, get your facts straight and provide something other than ad hominem attacks. Unless, of course, that is all you have. And unfortunately, that seems to be the case in this instance. And I would hasten to add that, based upon the evidence, the only “ignorance” I can absolutely detect, eminates from those that believe others will follow their bad links, constant revisions of charges, and lack of evidence and proof of others wrong doing.
Like I said…you are the scam. A whore for MLM ad dollars.
Comment by Mike | February 10th, 2009
BTW, Beavis (the name is quite telling), I eagerly await your “investigation” into me being a scam, which will include numerous bad hyperlinks, anonymous posts on nondescript sites which feature nothing more than an incoherent, single paragraph, and other electronic items marked “removed” (but, hey, I’ll take it on faith…from…beavis).
But, more ad revenue for you, right? You truly are “The Spin Factor”.
Comment by Mike | February 10th, 2009
And I’M the problem? Laughable.
Comment by Visman | February 10th, 2009
Why criticise on others investigations / comments, if you yourself have not done any investigation and cannot provide proof of same? That leaves your allegations empty with no substance.
This is not the only site (start clicking), and since you have a mouthful without any proof provided, why not start your own since you obviously have the financial means for it?
Regards
Comment by eaglescout | February 11th, 2009
One of DubLi’s subcontractor’s objected to our dubli.thespinfactor.com subdomain, and filed a DMCA claim. We were asked to remove the material by our web hosting company’s “abuse” department.
Regarding putting all the information on one page, that’s just a matter of formatting and categorizing information. If you don’t like it, that’s too bad. Go read about DubLi somewhere else.
Is it also opinion that DubLi’s two of DubLi’s games are based on chance?
Not really. It’s more like a private researcher pointing out the inconsistencies and lies by DubLi to people who are interested.
By the way, my word is not impeccable. That is precisely why I asked you to revise my information.
And if you were a little more careful and had paid attention to my last post, you’d realize that we have plenty of outside sources. Was there something you wanted to see sourced that wasn’t? If so, I’m still waiting to hear from you.
Thank you for the red herring fallacy. Please try again: what is wrong (inaccurate) about the information?
Oh, did you miss the in depth explanation of DubLi’s business model? DubLi’s statistics as presented by Alexa? Your own common sense?
That’s fascinating.
Please be more specific.
Sorry, but the burden of proof is on you… I can wait.
Please elaborate. Sounds to me like you are projecting your own feelings about DubLi. Your inability to deal with the information provided seems to stem from your own childhood trauma (a poor grade in jr. high school speech class maybe?)
If you have an objection to the information provided, why haven’t you made any specific counterclaims? As I mentioned before, the veracity of these claims has little to do with the formatting. If you want a PDF, copy our website and our sources and print it out. Change the font to Comic Sans if that pleases you.
Cute.
Comment by Insidious | February 11th, 2009
Hey Mike, I agree with you. This crap isn’t believable if it’s not all on one page. Heck, I won’t believe that DubLi is a scam until I see all of this information (including the sources you can’t find) compressed into one sentence.
Eaglescout, get back to me when you’ve managed to fit all of these sources into one word. In fact, I’m not writing another article for your stupid website until Mike gets over his linkophobia.
Comment by Skeptic | February 11th, 2009
I made $1,500 this month in dubli…and no one is “underneath” me in this MLM. I could have recruited people so I could have made a better percentage, but I chose not too.
You don’t need to “bring in” people to make money on this website. I have a well paying FULL TIME job and this only supplemnts my income. I hope to make at least $2,000 in March…Awesome!! My residual income will only go up from here…..and best of all, I’ve made $700 total profit (after my initial dubli marketing license fee) Thanks Dubli.com
Comment by beavis | February 11th, 2009
Skeptic,
I don’t have any links in my posts, my facts on the ridiculously low auction volume on Dubli is taken from dubli.com. If you feel comfortable with a company that runs around claiming they are taking market share away from eBay with this joke of a volume of business then so be it. Maybe I should be more open minded about Dubli. For instance, maybe it is true that:
1. After months of operation, this approx. twelve successful auctions a day by Dubli has got eBay running for cover as it’s bottom line is desimated by this loss in business.
2. Pyramid business models grow to infinitum and no one ever gets hurt; they just make lots of money.
3. It’s really OK to make money by selling a pyramid as long as I thinly disguise it with some auction with wildly inequitable fees and rules.
4. Scamming is a perfectly legitimate way to make a living; after all, the people that are being charged to join are greedy and deserve to be punished by me taking their money.
5. If I ignore the reality of Dubli and think happy thoughts I will grow up to be a productive member of society by helping build another pyramid scheme which the world has a shortage of.
6. The Egyptions became famous for pyramids so why can’t I?
7. If I scam a bunch of people it is safe to bet that I won’t go to Hell as Hell doesn’t exist; well, probably doesn’t and I think there is a clause that scamming pyramid types don’t go there.
It’s all so clear, now! I can’t wait to sign up!
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Get real … what do these people not understand?
Comment by beavis | February 13th, 2009
Hey, I just googled “dubli” and this site was the first hit. Where do I get my tokens at?
Comment by Doubting Thomas | February 13th, 2009
OK - having just listened to a “webinar”, ad taken 15 minutes to think hard on it, here’s my take on Dubli.
First of all, the webinars cost next to nothing to put on, and the guy who was the speaker used words like amazing, incredible, the next Ebay, Google, get in early, etc….I felt a few hairs stand up on the back of the neck…Then I started thinking, why would a consumer spend .80 to reduce the price by .25 - well people go to casinos and play the slots, why not throw $300 at shopping and occasionally get a $100 Ipod for free? You won’t talk about the your stupidity of the 350 times you put .80 into the machine, but you will tell everyone about the neat ipod you got for nothim….ok, so there are a lot of stupids out there that will part with their money…
But wait….what proof do we have that all of the licensing money actually turns into downline revenue. What if the business model is hosting webinars, getting people all amped up about getting in quick and early and then moving on to the next group of license buyers?
Bottom line, at best Dubli’s business model seems to be nothing more than a combination of Ebay and a casino, where the large number of people spend their money and get zip while a handful get stuff cheaper and some people get “revenue streams”….that’s “at best”…
At worst…well..you decide….
Comment by beavis | February 13th, 2009
Doubting Thomas,
I think the majority of fools bidding on Dubli are the same ones who bought in as “entrepreneurs”. Nothing like a pyramid combined with greed to get those blinders on. Dubli’s theme song should be the old Bangles tune “Walk Like An Egyptian”.
Comment by beavis | February 13th, 2009
I googled Dubli again (I’m too lazy to bookmark the site). Out of 72,500,000 results for “dubli” this site is number one. I hope eaglescout is getting good ad revenues off this site because that is an honest living; providing people with important information before they commit money to an operation like Dubli actually provides a benefit to society. Dubli, well, I think my opinion is well known by now. Go thespinfactor.com!
Comment by Visman | February 13th, 2009
Why should anybody pay to advertise an auction where the goods are supplied by one seller … its a storefront, nothing else.
When in fact true bargains can be bought …
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=11328667
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=11338257
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=11331167
All in just about one day, and the site which is called South Africas ebay sells itself and is becoming more and more populer. Many sellers using drop shipping getting in under the belt of the expensive storefronts, which is what Dubli realy is combined with gambling (games of chance).
Comment by beavis | February 15th, 2009
Come on, where are the dublidiots? I need someone to slap. “Mike” was fun because he gets me confused with eaglescout. “Skeptic” is amusing in that he is anything except a skeptic and there is nothing more entertaining then a “born again” MLMer (unless you are stuck in a room with one and there is a whiteboard and easel in the room). And “Insidious” thinks he can write sarcasm such as:
“Hey Mike, I agree with you. This crap isn’t believable if it’s not all on one page. Heck, I won’t believe that DubLi is a scam until I see all of this information (including the sources you can’t find) compressed into one sentence.
Eaglescout, get back to me when you’ve managed to fit all of these sources into one word. In fact, I’m not writing another article for your stupid website until Mike gets over his linkophobia.”
What a deep thinker. I’m starting to see a pattern here; if you are not quite bright enough to connect the dots, are easily influenced and your life is such that you so desperately want to believe in the magic that you are willing to abandon common sense and divorce all connection with reason in order to pursue a fantasy, then you are Dubli material. “Bigger than eBay”. . . it’s so laughable and to think somebody actually believes in a company that hands them that line.
Comment by Charlie | February 15th, 2009
I have to say this site is fun! It’s amazing how personal things get between everyone, I log on every now and then whenever I’m bored just to see who’s calling who names. But I have yet to see anyone with so much time on their hands as this Butthead who calls himself Beavis this guy really needs a girlfriend or a drug habit or something, I’m still toying with Dubli if I make money great! If not no problem like I said before I’m Rich Bitches and living in Maui Hawaii mostly poolside getting drunk. But I love this site!!
Comment by Robbie | February 16th, 2009
“And “Insidious” thinks he can write sarcasm”
Err, what makes you think Insidious is one of the “dublitiots”?
Comment by Visman | February 17th, 2009
Cannot help to wonder where all hard Dubli believers are?
Making money? The site has not pick up with any significance yet.
All part of the growing up!
Comment by beavis | February 17th, 2009
RE: “insidious”
Robbie,
insidious is not a dublidiot. I glanced at his post and misinterpretted it. My apologies to insidious.
Charlie ,
umm. . . never mind.
Comment by Gene | February 18th, 2009
Think of this as a wikipedia article? NO WAY, it’s scamapedia get it through your heads man. You guys are full of baloney.
LOL Hey Charlie where are my tickets and you never sent a picture of the beach near your home?
Comment by Charlie | February 18th, 2009
Good to hear from you Gene. The proof is in the pudding Big Guy, 3926 Mahinahina Avenue Lahaina, Hawaii 96761 any time you and anyone you bring are welcome. My # again is(808) 264-7114 LOL! (As you say) Once you’re here.
Comment by Gene | February 20th, 2009
OK Charlie I will take that all down. I will
Check it out on Map Quest to see how I can get
there from Nebraska. LOL
Comment by beavis | February 20th, 2009
Gene,
You can always take the Dubli money train;I hear it even floats!
Comment by Charlie | February 20th, 2009
I hear Nebraska is lovely this time of year.
Comment by Charlie | February 21st, 2009
Boy did this site get lame. I think your 15 minutes is up on this deal.
Comment by beavis | February 22nd, 2009
Oh, no, Charlie, you’re doing fine. . . please go on.
Comment by Charlie | February 22nd, 2009
Hey Beavis Bite Me.
Comment by beavis | February 22nd, 2009
Charlie,
“Sticks and stones may break my bones but I’m Jesus.” Eric Cartman
Comment by Visman | February 23rd, 2009
This is where I take my leave from here when Jesus is been brought in. Its a question of respect for what others believe and chose to believe.
And I am getting into no discussion on this either. There is more than enough available on the net if anybody need more information.
Cheers and Regards
From a sunny and warm Pretoria
Comment by Insidious | February 23rd, 2009
Do you respect atheists and agnostics, Visman?
Comment by SoCalConfused | February 23rd, 2009
It took me over 2 hours pour through this thread after a long time friend of my husbands suggested DubLi and I wanted to research the validity of the company. My husband has been unemployed since October (for the first time since working since he was eleven…YES, eleven.) and I have become unemployed as of February 1st for the first time too (We’re in our early 40’s). As Middle Class Americans, 2 kids, a mortgage and life, we are desperate. My comment here is…I can’t figure out who’s right in these blog postings! Eaglescout makes so many convincing points, yet, the DubLi advocates make theirs as well. Bottom line…I am so damn confused.
My parents have run a family owned and operated business since 1983 which was built from the ground up. They both came from nothing and made a very successful local business for 25 years…until now. Everything they worked for, they lost in 1.5 years. It breaks my heart to see them having to sell everything they invested in. I don’t want to make matters worse by investing money we don’t really have on some business that is a scam. I am really lost.
Sorry…Chardonnay is coursing through my veins, but what I write is sincere!
Comment by SoCalConfused | February 23rd, 2009
Damn…I wish I could edit my post for typos…lol (hic)
Comment by beavis | February 24th, 2009
SoCalConfused,
I have no vested interest in Dubli (thankfully). This jackass company is a thinly disguised pyramid scheme. Go to fbi.gov and you will get an education on scamming throughout the world (with a special focus on the U.S., but scamming is scamming no matter where it is done). The people that brag of their earnings in Dubli garnered the lion’s share from recruiting people like you. Go to dubli.com and count the number of successful auctions. The volume of sales is laughable. The big money is in recruiting people on the premise that if they recruit people who recruit people who recruit people, etc. then all will become fantastically wealthy. That is a pyramid. You may make money but you will only do so at the expense of others that are further down the pyramid. If you are too far down the pyramid yourself you will lose money. This is not going to be a very long lived pyramid because the auction product is not gaining traction in the US (their auction product is actually pretty retarded but the Dublidiots who sign up are focused on the promises of riches and are not seeing what a ripoff the auction formula is). Do not be blinded by greed. Look at the so called product Dubli offers, look at the incredibly low volume of successful auctions and ask yourself if this is the next eBay or are these people lying to me to get my investment into a pyramid scheme. I have to give credit to the Nigerian scammers; at least they know they are scammers. The Dublidiots think they have a legitimate business model.
Comment by SoCalConfused | February 24th, 2009
Thank you Beavis…After reflecting on it (and now sober…lol) I can make a decision based on my intuition. It doesn’t feel right and therefore, I (we) won’t be paying a cent to DubLi. I think you are very accurate when you state the obvious: The ones making money now are doing so due to greed and because they are higher in the Pyramid. It just doesn’t sit well with me. Best of luck to us all in this uncertain economy.
Comment by Gene | February 24th, 2009
Could you tell me why you think it is greed for
anyone to try to run an online store? There’s a
lot of them out there you know. Is everyone greedy?
Can’t someone try to make a living as a merchant?
Just because those on the top make a lot of money how
does the make them greedy? That’s pretty crazy reasoning.
Comment by dream team | February 24th, 2009
First, who here on this site has personally spent time with CEO Michael Hansen? Actually met him and been in meetings with him for days….?
I have.
Who here knows what the big picture and the vision of Dubli is? The reverse auction site is maybe 10% of what Dubli will be over the next 36 months. Slamming the idea of an auction site where aquiring the customers to drive down the price has not even occured yet, is a gun shot reaction without doing the homework to understand how this company is being launched.
Does anyone here know how MCI or Sprint the phone companies launched?
I do. Google it. Sprint, MCI, and MLM.
I personally dont like typical MLM but that is why I love Dubli, it is customer based not forced distribution through some stupid autoship scheme where the biz peeps are the customers…..very very weak biz model indeed for long term income.
Who here knows what Dublimarketplace is?
I do.
You will after April 2009.
Companies like Southwest Airlines, Best Buy,Macys and 500ish other major firms will be joining the Dubli concept. This is not a hope or a wish, it is reality. This concept covers about 25% of what Dubli really is after April……
Who here knows how deep the pockets are of the worldwide investors of this Global Trading Portal are?
I do.
Oil tycoons, Bankers, investors, Realestate moguls.
Who knows what assests they have, how they were aquired and where the idea of a worldwide online trading portal came from?
I do.
Lets just say money is not an issue. Dubli is not going away anytime soon.
Who here is aware of the Corp kick off event and Press Release in April where billionare bankers, Investors and entertainers such as Jordan Sparks from American Idol will be performing to let USA know what Dubli is?
I am.
Who here has done real homework by getting on planes, leaving their families for days, to meeting with the leaders to get the real answers to serious questions?
I have.
I have enough facts about Dubli to tell you it is real, it will be a monster and in 6 months from now these same people that say companies like Dubli is a scam come from the same group that said MonaVie was a scam. If I were to post every last detail or fact of proof, the editors of this post just delete it as they have done in the past to me. I do not waste my time trying to convince people that profit in negative arenas like this but write all this to show a sense of reality to those that found themselves here in this bathroom stall on the net and might be on the fence about Dubli.
Ever hear of the Firm Grimes and Reese?
The same Attorney for MonaVie is the same Attorney for Dubli.
Google them. They are no joke and they are not cheap.
Companies like this oversee things like Comp plans and operating policies and procedures to ensure success with the FTC without breaking laws and being shut down like many new companies have been. IF Grimes and Reese dont like something Dubli is doing, Dubli changes their plan, plain and simple.
Spencer Reese is no joke.
Have you ever started a company and had to make changes during its creation?
I have. (many many times)
The same company McDonalds and 24Hr fitness hired to protect them against false claims made on trash can bathroom sites like this has also been hired by Dubli.
I could go on for hours but at the end of the day we walk the walk and dont just talk the talk.
We meet with literally hundreds of people every week and educate them on what is going to happen and what the vision of Dubli is.
I dont take applications or try to persuade anyone to do anything. I merely present the facts in appointment only meetings and 80-90% of anyone that sees and hears the truth gets involved. Some as a side investment, some as a part time job like me, and some– all day full time.
To make it very very simple, Dubli will be kinda like a mix between Ebay, Amazon, and Facebook. Analogy- Dubli will be to “Buy” what Google is to “Search”. Mom and pop shops will go away to some extent as online shopping is booming. (sad but true as I also own a mom and pop shop in OC) But to deny this reality is just stupid.
When the company officially launches to aquire the customers in April 2009, everyone will know, the question is do you want to be in front of that wave or behind it?
The excitement for the Auction site will totally change when literally millions of people check it out. Imagine 1000 people out of curiosity click a dubli credit to check a price of an iphone worth 400 dollars, thereby lowering the price by 250 dollars (1000 X .25 cents) and then some dude spends .80 cents to see the price with a real intent to buy it (not just curiosity of what the price is per say) and sees it is now at 150 bucks and hits the buy button! He gets an iphone for $150.80, brand new, in a box with a warrantee! DO you think he will tell 5 people? (virally spreading marketing) Dubli then gives him FREE Credits for sharing his experience and people in the biz get paid! He can use the credits to find the lowest price on 500 major stores in the blink of an eye when the dubli marketplace is launched and when he buys a drill from HomeDepot I get paid…..he also gets more free credits for buying through Dubli, kind of like points on a CC. The technology will be in his phone and the purchase can be made from there and shipped to his house!
After 9 weeks I have made over 25k.
Did you know that becuase I am in Dubli as a biz builder I have access (thanks to Hansen and his contacts in the world banking market) to a checking / savings acct that pays 8%??!!
Thats right you heard me correctly. 8% bank account.
As a 20 yr surfer I like being in front of a wave, April 2009 will be the start of a wave that will roll and gain momentum to the point that millionares will be born……….
Author Rich Dad Poor Dad- “80% of future millionares will come from MLM”
Spin Factor guys- enjoy your ride for now, come April it will be all over. Unless you are already a millionare now…..
One thing I know at the end of the day, I dont take advice from people about a biz that make less money than I do or have never done it before. I own 6 compaines and that plan has served me very well.
Thanks for your time.
Dubli, Dubli, Dubli!
we are having a blast, are you?
Money Dont sleep…….lol.
Comment by Gene | February 25th, 2009
Very good dream team I couldn’t have said it
better myself!
Comment by Insidious | February 25th, 2009
No, you couldn’t.
Comment by Insidious | February 25th, 2009
Poor Jordan Sparks…
Comment by Insidious | February 25th, 2009
“Dream team” totally got you this time Eaglez. Dubli will be great someday, just not anytime soon.
Comment by Gene | February 25th, 2009
Insidious I don’t think you’ll be great any time soon.
Better work on that!
Comment by dream team | February 25th, 2009
Insidious, first- sweet name,
Dubli is great now, and later. Dubli is like knowing what your gonna get for xmas but have to wait to open it up. Getting paid 25k for 8 weeks of part time work hardly constitutes as “just not anytime soon” for me. There is no better time than NOW to make this happen. Exponential Growth my friend, exponential profit.
Comment by beavis | February 26th, 2009
Dreamteam,
So where is all of this money supposedly going to appear from? Oh, wait, the idiot recruits because it sure isn’t coming from the lame auction traffic. I love the name dropping; the Nigerian scammers do it, too. You might want to start calling yourself “Barrister” or “Fund(s) Transfer Manager”.
“Companies like Southwest Airlines, Best Buy,Macys and 500ish other major firms will be joining the Dubli concept.”
What are you going to do, buy some $25 gift certificate from them to unload in your auction and then say you have a relationship? I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that if I call their corporate they won’t know a thing about Dubli.
“Did you know that because I am in Dubli as a biz builder I have access (thanks to Hansen and his contacts in the world banking market) to a checking / savings acct that pays 8%??!! Thats right you heard me correctly. 8% bank account.”
I love it. I did a couple of years with E.F. Hutton in the 80’s. We had this really aggressive account executive that was selling people government mutual funds and telling people that is was just like a checking account. Paid 11%!!! The clients weren’t told by him that there were early withdrawal fees and the net asset value would fluctuate. He was extremely successful until the State Securities investigators came calling. No one will give you 8% unless there is substantial risk attached and probably a substantial fee structure. It isn’t your connections; that’s bull. Why would a credit worthy institution pay your lowly ass 8% when the market is below 2%? Let me guess:
A. Joining Dubli makes you so special that credit worthy institutions are willing to squander money by paying you way above market for the privilege of being your banker.
B. You deposit US currency and they pay your interest in Dubli tokens.
C. The transaction isn’t in US currency but it is in Russian rubles (lovely inflation this time of year).
And I really like the part of dropping the attorney names. O.J. had some big name attorneys, too. In fact, my business attorney when I was 18 years old (yes, I had a business then) was now Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. I win! My former attorney has a bigger name then yours does!!!
Oh, and the projections, the lovely Dubli projections. If they ever do another sequel of the Blues Brothers you should try out for the part of Jake Blues. Or perhaps as Hedley Lamarr in a Blazing Saddles remake. Either way, I think you could really give the characters some panache. “Exponential Growth my friend, exponential profit.” I just get the twitters thinking about it.
Comment by beavis | February 26th, 2009
Oh, also:
“Meanwhile, most of the million-strong sales team is really just drinking the juice, according to MonaVie’s 2007 income disclosure statement, a federally required printout of their distributor earnings. More than 90 percent were considered “wholesale customers,” whose earnings are mostly discounts on sales to themselves. Fewer than 1 percent qualified for commissions and of those, only 10 percent made more than $100 a week. And the dropout rate, while not disclosed by MonaVie, is around 70 percent, according to a top recruiter.” Newsweek
Yeh, I feel there is a resemblance between Dubli and MonaVie; I just can’t put my finger on it.
Comment by Dream Team | February 26th, 2009
Beavis,
your right, I made all that up in an elaborate attempt to protect an even more elaborate scam. You got me! That OJ and EF Hutton arguement was so powerful.
“What are you going to do, buy some $25 gift certificate from them to unload in your auction and then say you have a relationship? I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that if I call their corporate they won’t know a thing about Dubli.”
No. Dubli will be offering those companies products, but not in the auction format, again- the auction is a very small part of what Dubli is. However, to use your form of logic, I bet rubles to pancakes if I call those Corps they wont know who Beavis is….lol.
“I did a couple of years with E.F. Hutton in the 80’s.”
when he talked did everyone listen? haha
“most of the million-strong sales team is really just drinking the juice, according to MonaVie’s 2007 income disclosure statement”
funny, I have that document in front of me now and cant find that comment….why are you trying to scam us, didnt you listen to EF Hutton? Here is where to find the IDS from MonaVie
http://media.monavie.com/pdf/corporate/income_disclosure_statement.pdf
whats tough for me is I cant take you seriously when the only thing I think about when i see Beavis is Butthead. The lies just add to the flavor I guess.
Do your homework with then come back with some real points plz, not just weird spins.
Thanks.
Comment by beavis | February 26th, 2009
dreamteam,
So let’s look through the BS and realize that you don’t currently have these products or relationships established (except the crappy auction format which is doing dog poop in volume). It’s all talk while the buy-in dollars are immediate and real. You have nothing but blue sky to sell that is not corroborated by any independent third parties. Did I miss anything?
Oh, and here is the link with the quote from Newsweek - http://www.newsweek.com/id/150499
That is very real (look to the bottom of page 1 for the quoted text). Keep calling me a liar and a scammer; I can and do back up everything I say and all you do is ignore the facts and the math (as simple as it is).
Oh, and the MonaVie link you provided. An internally created flipping survey conducted by nameless? That is your response to the Newsweek article that referenced federally required disclosures? You truly take this audience for a bunch of fools.
As far as my user name of “beavis”, well you would be a great “butthead”. Better yet, I’ll be “cornholio” and you can be a “bunghole” (I definitely need TP for my bunghole, now).
Comment by Visman | February 27th, 2009
Insidious … it is not about persons. Its about choices and that does not mean I do not respect the person although I do not agree with the persons choice, I may still rspect the person.
Like I said, not wanting to into a discusion on the topic here, therefore I will rest with the following:
Do not get confused between Christianity and churchianity, since both appears to be the same it is not. Most of todays christianity should rather be called churchianity. Its a conterfeit of what true Christainity predicts to be, and a very good one at that. That is a study in its own righ, only knowledge will bring about the decernment.
As for the rest most scams has always made money for some, more paricularly in the beginning. What promise will follow after April, more so reason for not coming to the table on the promises?
There is only one seller of goods within Dubli with marketers selling licences (tokens) to maybe by the goods and licenses to sell licenses to do the same. Brilliant idee? You decide.
Me be gone again … oh by the way the inquisitive in me got the better of me … Damn … LOL
Regards
Visman
Comment by beavis | February 28th, 2009
Visman,
You simply need to trust them. Give your money now and in the future they will make you rich. What’s three grand between friends? I know what you are thinking, “that’s how scammers operate; give us your money now and we’ll give you bazillions later”. Well, I happen to know that Dream Team and Co. are telling the truth because they said so. What more proof do you need? And if you need more (you silly doubter) I’m sure they have plenty of unsubstantiated hypothetical projections to back this up.
Beavis
Comment by beavis | March 1st, 2009
News Flash! Dubli US only does four successful auctions on February 28th, 2009. I have to say I think you guys suck and your product, the Dubli auction idea, is poo. Four auctions in a day; that is, in my opinion, pathetic. “The next eBay” my ass. Where do I sign up so I can get my share of the next greatest investment since Yahoo, Microsoft, and Wayne Enterprises? Did I mention Dubli US only did four successful auctions on the 28th? Did I mention that, in my humble opinion, that is , shall we say, sub par; below expectations; or, perhaps, pathetic? Oh, I’m sorry, I already said the auction volume was pathetic. Wait, wait, I know; one of you jackasses that is recruiting “business partners” will respond by saying that it’s all going to change in April. Terms like “explode” will be thrown around and other forms of hyperbole. Well, confirmed statistics, not BS projections by Dublidiots, tell the truth. What does a measly four auctions in a day tell you about Dubli? Churn and burn, baby!
Comment by Mike B. | March 1st, 2009
I have a friend of mine who has been trying to recruit me into Dubli for over 3 months, always tell him the same thing. I DON”T GET IT! Talked with him today about it, and of course he told me it’s getting ready to explode in the US market..
Think he tries to recruit me because I have built 3 other MLM down lines in the last year and getting good residuals..My groups are almost to a 1,000 in each company. He tells me it is $895 to get involved with Dubli but they are lowering the price to $175! Guess they are not growing as fast as he claims in the US if they are lowering the price.
So for anybody who joins good luck with it.
Comment by Gene | March 2nd, 2009
That’s bogus Mike. Lowering the price, really!
What you guys come up with here. Besides it is
795 USD to start with the bronze package. Take a
look at my pretty little site and get it together.
Your buddy will pass you up if he sticks with it.
Comment by beavis | March 2nd, 2009
Mike,
Thats “795 USD” of tokens and blue sky.
Gene,
If I auctioned off the contents of my garage on eBay I’d generate more revenue than Dubli’s US auctions generate in a week. They talk of the millions invested in this operation. All I see is a website and a handful of stuff being auctioned. I hear rampant name dropping and grandiose plans but nothing to back it up but cheap talk. Dubli has millions laid out out? Where is the infrastructure? Show me. Show me something of substance besides this ridiculous rhetoric you stupid parrots keep repeating. You believers have become the ultimate Chatty Cathy dolls. Show me me something of substance like, dare I say, audited financials (and “no” I don’t care to see your pay stub for talking others into joining your fantasy world).
Comment by Gene | March 2nd, 2009
beavis what do I need to show you anything for? And you might generate more revenue but are the auctions for revenue or for fun. You may just be the competition. Most surely.
Whatever the 795 is they do the job. LOL Come one come all and join the auctions and see what savings and fun you’ll find.
Better a parrot than a puppet. squawk.
Comment by doinghomeworkfirst | March 3rd, 2009
Greetings,
I am considering joining Dubli, and had a couple of questions. I have read the majority of the posts, but am certain I may have missed some of the information along the way.
The questions I have are as follows:
#1 - Does Dubli have an estimated date for making stock available in the U.S.?…is it currently available in Europe?
#2 - I have read in the posts opinions regarding the founder and chief operators of Dubli both positive and negative. Are there any sources to back up the negatives that are written about these individuals?
#3 - The term “illegal pyramid” has been used to describe Dubli. I want to know if this is also backed by fact, or is it simply the opinion of the host? Is it the conclusion of the host? If it is in fact illegal, why then has it not been shut down in other countries where it has been around for years? Additionally, why is it not already being shut down in the U.S.?
#4 - Various claims have been made regarding the “staging” of the auctions on site so that Dubli reps and workers are the ones to get the items. Is there factual evidence to this?
I have been approached by a very good friend who encouraged me to consider Dubli. I have not felt anyone misleading me regarding this opportunity, but I want to make sure I do my homework first. I have read the blog, and there are a lot of claims - both positive and negative.
Please give me answers if you have them.
Comment by Felipe | March 3rd, 2009
I do have one question. I’ve been viewing these threads almost all day and no one has made one mention of Christian Ellentoft character. I’ve looked up the website on the whois website and this is what shows up: http://www.who.is/whois-com/ip-address/dubli.com/
if you type in us.dubli.com nothing shows but you can also note that when you enter it in your browser as dubli.com the site will automatically show up as us.dubli.com.
I found this interesting and am curious to note that the BBB has nothing on this dubli company.
Comment by beavis | March 3rd, 2009
doinghomeworkfirst
Let’s address your four items one by one:
1. I don’t mean to be blunt but asking anyone from Dubli if they are going to a stock offering is a waste of time. These people talk but little happens. When you see the filings you know that they are actually doing one. That is your only, I repeat only way of knowing that a stock offering will occur. And my two cents; don’t hold your breath.
2.I can only judge the founder by the actions of his company. I personally think they are sociopaths.
3.I’m not sure Dubli is an “illegal” pyramid but I’m really sure it is a “pyramid”. You can circumvent the law by adding in a product, no matter how pathetic and weak it is (like a lame reverse auction), and find yourself in compliance with the law. That doesn’t make it right but it could make it legal.
4.It’s not important. They don’t sell enough in the US to be of any significance so if they scam an auction or two from their believers (the majority of bidders are Dublidiots) I don’t really care and nor should you (I’m getting apathetic to the believers). The auction is a fools game.
And finally, you’ve read all of these posts and you’re still thinking of joining? Most of the points made against Dubli don’t require investigation; just a reasonable grasp of basic math and a little common sense. Take your time, do the math on the auctions, realize that only a fool would bid them and then ask yourself if this is what you want to participate in.
______________________________________
Gene,
Hi Gene!
Beavis
Comment by Skeptic (posting as Beavis) | March 3rd, 2009
I joined 3 months ago and I’m beginning to see the light. We have a shopping portal that is gonna be big, which will include large department store chains. I think it’s a great opportunity and will be the next “on-line” fortune.
Dubli is here to stay my friends!! Join now or later…your choice.
Comment by visman | March 3rd, 2009
Gene you say …
“During its tenure in Germany it has helped make millions for it’s associates.
This company could very well eclipse eBay, Google and Amazon! Virtually every major online store will be linked with this trading portal. It’ll be global.
Now it’s here, new to the United States, coming from Germany, a tested and true business model.
It’s in fact the biggest thing since eBay. It is a ground floor opportunity and the sky is the limit. Working just the opposite of eBay auctions, called reverse auction, you might say this innovation could propel us into the next evolution of e-commerce which is happening in Germany and it’s likely to happen here.
This is absolutely, a new business model. It’s truly unique!
Step into the world of the Entrepreneur’s Dream”
Now lets talk real business and you can test this one on any business man / woman:
Lets see:
financials, income and expence + the balance sheet;
Sources of revenue;
Goodwill;
Client based numbers and turn over for the past three months;
To name but a few …
I am sure you will agree with me, I should not part with my money on promises only? That would be stupid would it not?
As for Germany … just take a look at the sites. It speaks for itself.
Forget about the negatives for a moment, show me the solid proof, not a bells and whistles website which anybody can create, even my 8 year old daughter.
Proof to me I wont be a glorified salesman for a normal storefront with the only seller being Dubli, and not the oppertunity for whoever to auction their products. Its a storefront with very little turnover for how many Dublis out there? The products are not the real income, and now you will say to me, “it will be soon”. Soon has come a long way now since 2003 / 2006 (what happend inbetween?).
Proof me wrong, you are a business are you not? Or are you Dublis business? A glorified sales person in their business?
Don’t give me the crap of it will be.
Audited financials and a liability statement that I can take you on with should your promises not deliver?
Are we talking business?
Regards
Comment by doinghomeworkfirst | March 3rd, 2009
beavis,
I appreciate your quick response. I have read most of the posts, and I do see a lot of posts against Dubli, but most of the posts are opinions, not facts.
I looked at the math, but it doesn’t add up either against Dubli. After watching the presentation from a rep, they made it clear to me how the auctions work, as well as how the “credits” work.
I can definately see how it could be very costly if you use a ton of credits, but I just don’t understand why anyone would go the route mentioned in spending so much.
I am really “on the fence” at this point, and am just interested in facts.
I know a lot of people have been burned in the past for MLM’s, and I understand any ill feelings that may be had…but, I would like to make a decision based on facts.
I know there are a lot of negative comments against, but there are a ton of positives as well.
I am curious to know if there are any factual resources to back up the many negative claims.
I am not talking about “hypothetical claims” - which is what the money assumption was - depending on how many credits you spend vs. the lowest price given vs. how many people bid,etc.
Just facts.
I would be interested for the same from anyone in Dubli that says the company is the greatest. I am interested in factual evidence to back up both the positives and negatives.
beavis-
the evidence that has been given to me in favor of Dubli currently is more tangible than that against. My friends involved in it, who are contacting me, have actually already made money in a short time.
Also, I am curious as to the validity of the claims that Dubli went bankrupt in Denmark. I followed the link provided by eaglescout, and the link was to a german site that amounted to nothing but a blog against them.
Please share any more information you might have.
Thanks
Comment by Gene | March 3rd, 2009
Hey guys. This is just a blog for the owner to make money.
It’s kind of like watching Jerry Springer. It’s just to grab your attention. They put two very good keywords together which get great results for them. If anyone wants the facts why not ask the company.
Reps are just that reps. Salesman. Yup that’s me. Check my site and scroll to the bottom maybe that would be a bit of help to you doingyourhomeworkfirst. I don’t take the scouts here seriously and nobody should. Most of the time they’re incoherent. Don’t bark up the wrong tree or it may fall on you. Hey do you like my site Visman? Come back to it when you are ready to join. This month would be a very good time. You might notice these guys do their share to capitalize with their links just as I do. Eaglescout doesn’t mind me here he makes more money that way. Right eaglescout?
Comment by eaglescout | March 4th, 2009
To Doing homework first,
Santi Fuentes claimed it would be available in Europe almost four years ago.
Yes, of course, it depends on which “negatives” you are referring to. Which claims are you referring to?
Really? Who described DubLi as an “illegal pyramid”? Are you sure you read the material presented here?
Do you enjoy killing kittens as much as you enjoy asking loaded questions?
You are going to have to be more specific. Who made the claim, and what is the claim? There is evidence for some claims.
Comment by eaglescout | March 4th, 2009
Have you checked the Danish public records?
Comment by eaglescout | March 4th, 2009
I do mind. Your posts rarely contribute to the topic at hand, except in the sense that they exemplify the MLM/DubLi mindset.
Comment by eaglescout | March 4th, 2009
Isn’t this the part where you explain why this matters?
In other words, there is no point to joining DubLi until after April?
I’m still wondering why that matters. Donald Trump sells bottled water, but I’m not going to buy it just because he is rich.
DubLispeak for “stay tuned” and have faith in the DubLi religion.
Naturally nobody has read April’s Press Release, because it won’t be released until April. Except for you because you won a time machine awarded by DubLi this coming May.
Apparently you have. Others found inexpensive ways to research DubLi, such as reviewing the business model, and acquiring information from multiple sources.
Well, DubLi is not fake - the Denmark bankruptcy is clear on that.
We did censor some potentially copyrighted information in one of your posts and marked it as such. Sorry about that. However, we did not delete any evidence or “fact of proof” regarding DubLi. Feel free to post *any* factual information relevant to DubLi’s legitimacy already, preferably in the form of rebuttals.
Negative? I suppose fact that DubLi went bankrupt in Denmark may be negative to you; but it’s a relief to the 99% of DubLi business associates who won’t be breaking even.
Yes. Did you know criminals have the right to an attorney in the United States? Did you know you can have attorneys and break the law simultaneously? There is no law of physics that prevents that from happening.
Ever hear of Osama Bin Laden or Adolf Hitler? They are no joke.
DubLi has made a few changes for the better. Nevertheless, the false advertising remains their signature. All they need is smart promoters like you to advertise hope with their brand and take advantage of suggestible and needy people like Gene.
As I mentioned before, this isn’t relevant. Beavis alluded to OJ quite appropriately.
Nice anecdote. We both know this is extremely unrealistic and atypical of any rational person making any investment, especially when buying into a ridiculous and intentionally confusing model like DubLi’s. You are a smart guy, so you know that 99% of the people you are recruiting will lose most of their investment to you and to DubLi.
Oh, are you saying that DubLi will take on a completely different business model compared to the current one? If so, why are you worried about my observations and evidence regarding DubLi’s history?
This has been happening for a while and it had nothing to do with DubLi…
What? They are going to launch “officially” again for the 5th or 6th time?
DubLi is not an auction site… it’s a lottery and gambling site; the scenario you offered is great for the “one dude”; however DubLi doesn’t make enough money from it in practice because the iPhone will be bought long before the price reaches 150 dollars. If DubLi can’t make money from that lottery, then DubLi can’t offer commissions to the “business associates” involved in the transaction. If DubLi pays the commissions anyway, then they will be borrowing money from the sale of ad packages, which would mean the profit comes from speculation and licenses, but not from any real product.
Out of curiosity what service or product will these “millionaires” be offering?
Robert Kiyosaki’s advice is the equivalent of Kevin Trudeau’s - Author of Cures they don’t want you to know about. Filler Trash.
Kiyosaki is a motivational speaker who, “According to Reed, much of Kiyosaki’s advice is illegal, makes no sense or is the product of ‘a rather ignorant, not very bright, novice, investor wannabe.’ [15] He concludes his criticism, saying that ‘Rich Dad, Poor Dad is one of the dumbest financial advice books I have ever read. It contains many factual errors and numerous extremely unlikely accounts of events that supposedly occurred.’”
Comment by doinghomeworkfirst | March 4th, 2009
eaglescout:
Again, I appreciate the quick response to my questions, but they seem to be left unanswered. I do not understand the reasoning for the extreme sarcasm you use when challenged with a question for factual evidence. I have spoken neither positively nor negatively regarding Dubli, simply looking for all perspectives before I would venture into this type of business.
As I have read your posts in particular, it seems as though your biggest objection to Dubli is that you feel the site is a “gambling” site, or a site left to chance, and that those advertising the site/business opportunity are deceiving those that they are seeking to recruit. Is this appropriate for me to conclude?
I would agree with you that if deception is being displayed and used, it is in fact shameful on the the part of the associate seeking to use it. But, I have been presented this business, and the individual(s) who have presented it to me have been very upfront about how the auctions work, as well as how all of the Dubli credits work. I see no hidden “earmarks” in their presentation to me.
Maybe the focus of your objections should be directed at the individual business members in Dubli that are seeking to scam someone by covering up facts, and not necessarily on the business itself.
I know the friends I have in this business are very much people of integrity, and would not seek to purposely be a part of something unethical or illegal. They have no reason to “pull the wool over my eyes” because they are already doing very well financially from other business ventures.
Let us remember that in every legitimate business or opportunity there will be those who seek to abuse their position for their own good. But that doesn’t necessarily make the entire company, or all that are in that company corrupt. That is just illogical to think so.
Comment by Gene | March 4th, 2009
Eaglescout you better shut down this blog you are wasting
too much of everyone’s time. You capitalize just because you lucked out with a couple of keywords. I just spend a little time here to show how foolish your arguments are. You have as I have said in the past have no real arguments against the company. You just keep spinning scamapedia. Join the company man. Why now? Why not? The topic at hand. LOL
Comment by Skeptic (pretending to be eaglescout) | March 4th, 2009
I would like to retract all the negative post about Dubli. I met with a credible business partner of mine and he convinced me Dubli is a legitimate business. So, I’ve gotta eat crow and say, “I was wrong”.
I think Dubli is a great opportunity and encourage others to join…If they want to make some money.
Comment by beavis | March 4th, 2009
doinghomeworkfirst,
We run into “vics” like you with the Nigerian “lads” on a regular basis; you just want to believe so bad. Whether it is a “lotto you just won” or the “trunk box full of cash you need to pick up from the security company”, you refuse to believe the money is not there. I think you’re going to sign up, part with the cash and have to learn it the hard way. Here is the facts, short and oh so bloody simple; Dubli auction traffic is minuscule; the revenue comes from new recruits; if you don’t believe the auction traffic is ridiculously low go to their site and add up (this is where the basic math comes in) the number of successful auctions per day. Now here is where it gets tricky; you have to realize that because very little revenue is generated from the auctions, you have to make the big leap in logic to realize it comes from new sign ups (like you are going to be). You are, therefore, aside from the stupid auction business model, signing up to have the license to sell licenses for the purpose of selling licenses - a very nice modified p y r a m i d (I typed this slow with extra spaces to let it sink in and for dramatic emphasis). If you don’t know the ramifications of pyramid schemes you need to research that instead of Dubli. There, the necessary facts you need to make the right decision are in front of you; good luck.
Beavis
Oh, here is a nice definition of a pyramid scheme from Wikipedia:
“A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered.”
Comment by doinghomeworkfirst | March 5th, 2009
beavis,
thanks for showing your intelligence (or lack there of) and “wit” in your last post. I am so surprised at the personal level of vindictiveness (look it up if you don’t know what it means) that you have demonstrated against DubLi. You are completely off on how the money works and is made in DubLi. I attended another seminar (for free mind you) regarding this business, and it appears that you have no idea how the money really works.
I again, do not understand the “attitude” you seem to display in your postings, but I can tell you that because of the potential that appears to be present, the investment is totally worth the “risk” if you call it that.
Think of any investment you might make, there is always a risk. Stock market, housing, etc. So, if DubLi does do what it claims it will, there is a ton of money to be made.
But, even if it doesn’t, the “risk” is worth it.
I think I am going to sign up, mainly do to the fact that all of the negatives that have been posted seem to be unfounded, and bases on your’s and other’s opinions, not on facts. You seem to be making claims about that which you really yourself don’t get.
How can I be a victim, if I know the “risk” up front? I’d be curious to know your answer on that.
Take care.
Comment by Ryan | March 5th, 2009
this is a fave.
i think what is going on here is tantamount to threshing wheat, seperating logical thinkers from emotional, illogical people.
it is interesting to watch the type of comment that is made by an anti dubli person vs. a pro dubli person. it starts to shed light on how a pyramid scheme (or late night infomercial, DVDs on how to get RICH QUICK, telemarketers etc) are able to exist. i alway thought that these things would go away because people weren’t dumb enough to become involved.
but then. you see things like this:
” think I am going to sign up, mainly do to the fact that all of the negatives that have been posted seem to be unfounded, and bases on your’s and other’s opinions, not on facts ”
and you realize. not everyone gets to have a logical, useful brain inside their skulls. what’s really amazing is that when Dubli gets them, they’ll be first in line for the next wave. depositing checks for strangers, keeping 10% for themselves and whatnot.
rk
Comment by Ryan | March 5th, 2009
oh! and doing homework first: you are a victim the same way a teenager is a victim of statuatory rape…you lack the facilities to make a good decision for yourself.
Comment by Gene | March 5th, 2009
rk,
So what’s wrong with an infomercial, DVDs on how to get RICH QUICK, telemarketers etc)? Do you want to get rich s_l_o_w? Maybe you don’t want to get rich at all. Maybe you wouldn’t use the money right. People need to make a living don’t they and all they are doing is marketing? Don’t you believe in marketing? What do you do for a living? You have the faculties of a scamapediac like some of the others here. Get your head on straight.
NOBody has given anyone any real good reasons not to be in the company and we have given plenty of good reasons to. The auctions are the niche that powers the online store where most of the money will be made and beavis saying that the auctions are minuscule is pretty stupid reasoning for you avoid the fact that the company is still rolling out. You make it sound like it’t a done deal and all here now operating at 100%. Fallacy upon fallacy. We are still developing the sales force. And you guys aren’t any help. My my! Check it out two years from now and then see what you think. Equating Networkmarketing with a pyramid is an old trick. Let’s get into this century.
Just a blog here. Jerry Springer’s corner. LOL
Are we making a lot of money for you eaglescout?
Comment by doinghomeworkfirst | March 5th, 2009
Ryan,
You have demonstrated your foolishness in your words. Comparing a business opportunity to a rape victim is just irresponsible. Comparing your language and choice of wording in your posts verses the choice of wording and logic in mine, it is obvious who has the lack of mental capacity.
As far as the business opportunity goes, there is no being “tricked” in it. I know how much it is going to cost me to try it, and therefore I know exactly how much I could stand to lose. I am sorry that you cannot understand that. Try harder, and maybe you’ll make progress on that.
Just curious Ryan, based upon your “intelligent” thoughts and posts, as well as your “amazing” analogy to compare this business model with, what is it you do for a living?
Where do you get your “smarts” on business models? Financial wisdom? Just curious when you became an expert for everyone else.
I am interested to hear back from you, although I am guessing I either won’t, or that your response will be nothing short of ridiculous.
Best of luck to you in “your world”.
And again - thanks for being an expert for the rest of us.
Comment by Charlie | March 5th, 2009
I think Ryan and Beavis live in their Mother’s Basement and use a lot of hand lotion, pure Genius!
Comment by Gene | March 5th, 2009
LOL that’s pretty good Charlie. How ya doing?
Comment by Ryan | March 6th, 2009
i merely noted the clear difference between posts of the pro and anti dubli bloggers.
i think it is clear to most people that dubli is a pyramid. i sat through the webinar. i used my “free tokens.”
i am not an expert in finance or business. my passion is actually language as it relates to sociology - which is the point of my post.
i’m wrong a lot, and i hope y’all don’t disappear come april. when dubli does its mass media blitz they promised in the webinar, and market share is stolen from amazon and ebay, i will rescind the slant.
the basic idea will remain the same: there is a notable difference in the way pro/anti dubli people communicate on this and other sites.
lastly, i’m not here to post my resume. you can take my comments on their own merit, or not.
Comment by Ryan | March 6th, 2009
charlie -
i’m a dry man most of the time. it evolved that way over time. not sure if it’s better or if i just got tired of the mess. did you really want to talk about my masturbation habits?
ryan
Comment by Gene | March 6th, 2009
That’s pretty crude there Ryan. I hope Charlie wasn’t referring to your practice. It’s pretty clear your not with
the times though. Nope, just in a fantasy land. Hey take a look at my site and step into reality.
Comment by Charlie | March 6th, 2009
We’re all guilty Ryan, No worries,
Comment by Ryan | March 6th, 2009
gene - to what do you think he was referring?
Comment by beavis | March 7th, 2009
“Ryan,
You have demonstrated your foolishness in your words. Comparing a business opportunity to a rape victim is just irresponsible.” doingmy”ho”work
Well, seems like someone is on a mission to become a “lad”.
“Lad” Wikipedia definition: “Lad, a nickname for a scammer in scam baiting. Especially for a scammer from Lagos, Nigeria”
Ever thought of moving to Nigeria, doingmy”ho”work?
By the way, I’m a full blown, experienced, honest to God scam baiter (look up the definition). I hate you MF’s and I do everything to put your scams down. You are no vic; your one of them, and I don’t discriminate; whether you are a Nigerian lotto lad, a Ghanaian phone lad or a Russian sex lad(ette), I’ll screw with your business operations at every opportunity, I’ll burn your resources, shut down your bank accounts, educate your victims and get your ass arrested anytime I can. Oh, and I totally enjoy my work. You are my hobby.
Comment by Fox | March 7th, 2009
I was very excited from watching Dubli webinar yesterday.
However, my excitement dropped somewhat when he started to talk about payments I have to make just to participate in his program (starting with $800!). Why should I have to pay him? Should I have to pay HIM for advertising HIS products? For example, internet business giants such as eBay, Amazon, Friend Finder, and CJ have affiliate programs and they’re FREE. What you have to do is just put their advertisement on your website and they will pay you some percent of their profit. The system Dubli describes where you have to pay some fee for just participating in the project is a MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) system. What I do not like about MLM is that mostly they are not interested in selling a good product to the customer. They simply do not need to care about it because they have already had their profit from members of the MLM pyramid. There is no doubt that they will make good money and it is possible to earn some money with them, but it is risky. These days with a bad economic situation I do not think that people are willing to pay much money for anything, so it would not be easy to acquire more new members. I do not trust them at all.
Comment by Charlie | March 7th, 2009
Wow Beavis! You sound so scary like Clint Eastwood, I got shivers from your speech, your obvious superior intellect seperates you from the rest of us, but lighten up dude, you’ll be amazed at what seeing a grown woman naked will do for all that rage. All in good fun!
Comment by Charlie | March 7th, 2009
We use a little something called Maui Wowie over here.
Comment by Fox | March 7th, 2009
Poor Charlie. I pity you. I’m just a student of art and not all that familiar with computers but I was able to understand that Dubli is just MLM and I was smart enough not to participate in this ridiculous program. Your problem is that you’re angry with yourself for being fooled by Dubli. Stop babbling and shut up. PLEASE.
Comment by Gene | March 7th, 2009
Do you think it was a metaphor Ryan? Maybe a little more than face value! Do you know what that is?
Do you know what a fantasy is? Stop living with your ill conceived concepts of an online store. But hey Charlie will be Charlie.
Seriously we’ve got a great company and basically it’s an online store. With any store you need customers. They’ve figured a way to draw customers and have them keep coming back with the auctions. Buying the credits are a given to power your biz. Yes you pay for them and recoup your investment once they are sold to your customers. Also it helps jump start the sales force which could be you. With the income potential here do you seriously think you could get into business without any expenditure. That’s a fantasy. Now if your not willing to put out and do this business to acquire customers and other sales reps you’re not one to be in a business for yourself so you may have to get a job or work for someone else. Hey let’s bring it up a few notches. But now if you understand what I’m saying, your best bet is to come in as Gold. You get a 50% discount on your credits. You’ll make more then when you sell them.
Now think about this working for you. You’re going to make more money in your store or shop or marketplace than you will with the auctions and no credits are needed to purchase in the store. But if you don’t have any customers what good will it do? Don’t you think that the auctions will have any pulling power for customers? It’s been proven they have. Also if as seen in Germany one customer typically invites five and they invite five and so on with this viral action. I mean look at it. This little blog won’t stop it.
Who knows if we really have any viable quires here anyway.
Of course this is still a blog or Jerry’s corner. Scamapedia. LOL Are you making any money eaglescout?
Comment by Charlie | March 8th, 2009
Fox, I’m usually drunk by 12:30 p.m so Babbling is all I’m good at, as far as your pity, I have enough self pity to last a life time, but Thank You for your Empathy, I love You.
Comment by The Smart Skeptic | March 9th, 2009
http://www.smartwinshop.com/
Investing in this?
Be smarter than that:
Here is the “who is” for above promo site url for potential investors; not too impressive for confidence level:
Registrant:
Kate Davis
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SMARTWINSHOP.COM
Created on: 09-Sep-08
Expires on: 09-Sep-09
Last Updated on: 09-Sep-08
Administrative Contact:
Davis, Kate sdavis40@gmail.com
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
(360) 828-8381 Fax —
Technical Contact:
Davis, Kate sdavis40@gmail.com
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
(360) 828-8381 Fax —
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.MYSHOPPINGCOMMUNITY.COM
NS2.MYSHOPPINGCOMMUNITY.COM
Comment by smart skeptic | March 9th, 2009
Is this a joke?
Dubli promotional page http://www.smartwinshop.com
“who Is”
Registrant:
Kate Davis
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SMARTWINSHOP.COM
Created on: 09-Sep-08
Expires on: 09-Sep-09
Last Updated on: 09-Sep-08
Administrative Contact:
Davis, Kate sdavis40@gmail.com
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
(360) 828-8381 Fax —
Technical Contact:
Davis, Kate sdavis40@gmail.com
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
(360) 828-8381 Fax —
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.MYSHOPPINGCOMMUNITY.COM
NS2.MYSHOPPINGCOMMUNITY.COM
Comment by Felipe | March 9th, 2009
To eaglescout and anyone who takes the time to read this,
I have a few questions in regards to your sources for the bankruptcy of Dubli in denmark. I did go to the link you provided and was wondering how you were able to access that information. Or more specifically, how you were able to get to that source.
second, I did another search on that website under “dubli” and had two sources come up. One was the one you linked to and the second was the dubli center, from what I understand, it is still running. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cvr.dk%2FSite%2FForms%2FPublicService%2FDisplayCompany.aspx%3Fcvrnr%3D28323611&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=da&tl=en
You will also note that it was opened in February of 2008.
Are they affiliated? I’m still wondering why no one commented on my last statement (post 435).
Here are some statistics on web hits: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/eu.dubli.com
As you’ll note, I did a search on the European website which boasts to be widely used and you’ll see that it is about 25,000 per week. Sounds good except you need the fact that this is a list for 6 sites they have interlinked. Here are the break down percentages:
#us.dubli.com - 65.9%
# eu.dubli.com - 22.6%
# shopping.dubli.com - 8.3%
# shops.dubli.com - 1.5%
# shopsolution.dubli.com - 1.1%
# my.dubli.com - 0.5%
As you may note, the smallest percentage is in the shopping and the US boasts more clicks than the EU. That raises a huge concern.
I also used another service called quantcast which tracks a pretty large plethora of web informatics: http://www.quantcast.com/dubli.com#traffic
link above is the traffic
eu website has no information even though it is identical to the us version: http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-data-for-site?domain=eu.dubli.com
And here is the summary: http://www.quantcast.com/dubli.com/traffic/sites#summary
As you will note it specifically says that the data is rough. I want to note this because if you were a company and your main approach was “viral marketing” then you would be smart enough to make sure that all these data gathering websites had your info so people could see accurate website traffic information.
Do you know how to track financial records regarding this company in Europe? (this is an actual question because I would love to look into it further)
As you can tell, and I hope most on this site that stumble this post that dubli has many red flags against it’s reputation. If they can address this issues great, but my suspicions is that it will not be addressed.
As a side note to those who are involved with dubli. Why would you invest so much money into a website that doesn’t even have enough visits to bring YOU revenue? And as you can tell neither do there European counterparts because they just jumble stats from 6 different sites…
I’m done, for now.
Comment by Gene | March 9th, 2009
Nope smart skeptic, it’s not a joke, it’s going to be big. Let me help you join. Although I would say that the auctions will help generate customers for our store where most of the revenue is to be made.
Comment by sick of negativity | March 9th, 2009
just to let you know Ebay and Amazon are not found on SEC either…and if Dubli is such a scam why is ebay and amazon affliated with it in it’s shopping portals?? You trust them don’t you?
As to Fox…you purchase a business licence through Dubli to make your money…you can’t make money if you don’t own a business. Don’t be fooled either with Ebay, Amazon and other websites-they make money and they cost money. The Average Joe might not think so but it does. How else would it stay in business? Look at Facebook-it’s free to use yet the kid who invented it made a fortune.
Businesses are always risky-if it’s not for you then move on but don’t slam it because you couldn’t get it to work.
To Felipe
Most people are investing in the next global shopping portal because they know they are going to recieve money. They have seen it!! People have been paid and are still collecting money EVERY month. Some people are skeptical and that’s good. They need to know and understand the functions of Dubli. IT’s not for everyone. I know people who needed to be persauded by seeing the actual form of payment. Wouldn’t you be tempted to see a $5000 paycheck in 4 weeks…with more to come as the company grows???
To Beavis
“A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered.”
You are quoting a definition to support your argument but it doesn’t work out for you…the last part here-”often without product or service being delivered” There is product and it is delivered. They can even show you to whom and for how much. I suppose you ( an average joe)would need the purchasers permission to contact them and survey their experience just like you would be able to do to customers on Ebay, Amazon, Walmart websites and so on…for all we know they could be lying too???right…
This is NEW to North America. It hasn’t lauched yet. Everyone who knows about it is mostly from word of mouth. 6 months in Europe it grew to 3 million users. It is already produced a trail of confirmed success. It only takes time to come to it’s full potiental. Jordin Sparks and Simon Cowell are involved. Don’t you think their people did research and have more resources at their disposal besides “Spinfactor”?
Whomever wrote the article has misleading facts or has distorted the truth to fit their agenda. If you want to see real answers and information instead of believing a website which also promotes “Alien Babies” contact shopcheapteam@live.ca
Comment by beavis | March 10th, 2009
Felipe,
Dubli U.S. has 65.9% of the total Dubli traffic? And the US is sucking wind for Dubli (at least as far as successful auctions are concerned). I looked at the successful auctions in the U.S. and the figures were dismal; like, they really sucked. I hope you continue to question Dubli and these jackasses that blindly promote it. Hard figures will get through to the less gullible; hopefully before they get their “gold” membership for $3,000 (what a waste).
sick of negativity,
I think you should buy two gold memberships; you can make twice as much money! Oh, and what part of Dubli’s dismal weekly auction figures allowed you to arrive at the conclusion that Dubli has a viable product that excludes it from being a pyramid? I suppose if they auctioned one yoyo in a year you would exclude it from the pure pyramid definition. Keep trying to recover that $3,000 “investment” you made in this dog, sucker!
Comment by Gene | March 10th, 2009
beavis did you say something?
If you’re going to have an online store, how do you plan on bringing customers? Well here’s the solution. Have auctions where the prices go down. We have three different auctions. This is our niche our hook our gimmick to help you grow a strong productive online business for the future. Check it out. The price in one auction goes down to nothing. We know this works because it has already been done in Germany and has been launched this past October 2008. We are working off of their success. This will be worldwide in many languages. You don’t have to handle any products. You don’t need any merchant accounts. No shipping. Dubli does it all for you. You just begin acquiring your customers and associates. You’d have to do that in any online store. Oh and once you get your customers they are yours for life and typically they bring in at least five more customers for you who bring in five and so on.
Comment by beavis | March 10th, 2009
Gene,
And I suppose your definition of success would be the current approximate twelve successful auctions per day that Dubli US manges to ooze out. Go Dumbli!
Comment by mikeZ | March 11th, 2009
Ok eagle you make alot of claims that Dubli is a scam. I am not involved with Dubli in any way but I have been asked to join to the network buy credits etc.. I have been spending time looking at this. I find that I cannot find any articles about this company from an independant source. The web is full of spam about the company. Not good. But when you say you cant see how money is made on this site I do not understand.
In the Xpress section
Lets say you have a product that costs $100.00 The bids moves down in .25 increments and it costs .80 to move that bid. it moves down to $50.00 someone pays that price you now have monies equal to $160 (.80 x 200) plus $50 to buy the product. Thats $210.00 for a $100 product.
The other two sctions of Dubli are gambling but it is what it is the xpress section gets the most play.
My other issue is Dubli has major retail products on there site. The products they “auction” are from some of the biggest fortune 500 companies in the world. Why are they allowing there products being sold on this site? Amazon and Avis advertise on the site
Comment by Charlie | March 11th, 2009
Aloha MikeZ! You definately came to the right place we have all the Dubli experts here. Just do whatever Beavis tells you to, he’s like some sort of Dubli Phenom, the best we can measure his IQ is like 180 or something, He’s a heavy dude.
Comment by Gene | March 11th, 2009
beavis is that what it is? get smart they go allllll day and alllll night. Course you have more braids than I do.
But this is just a blog. Eaglescout how’s the cash flow?
Comment by Beavis | March 11th, 2009
I would like to report in with Dubli’s successful auction figures for its US site for 3/10/09. That figure is. . . um. . . well . . . there isn’t anything to. . . um. . . report; how curious. Did Dubli take the day off? Were their offices closed for a holiday? I don’t understand. Not one successful auction; zero; zip; nada. Oh, well, I’m sure Amazon and eBay didn’t fair any better. . . of course, they couldn’t really have faired any worse. I’ll go take a look. Oh, wow, eBay sold some stuff. . . lot’s of stuff. I just don’t know what to make of this. Maybe you should sub out the selling part to a Girl Scout troup; they kick ass with those cookies and they could surly beat Dubli’s current weekly volume.
Comment by Charlie | March 11th, 2009
I told you guys! Beavis is so deep!
Comment by Charlie | March 11th, 2009
To even imagine we could possibly compete with him is ridiculous, he actually once posted he was Jesus and I think he may be. Beavis BEAVIS Beavis!!!
Comment by Charlie | March 11th, 2009
Once there was a man named Beavis, Beavis Beavis Beavis, what a Wanker!! Remember my address? It’s posted,
Comment by beavis | March 12th, 2009
Charlie,
“Wanker”? If you are going to be a scammer you have to learn to insult like one, like this Nigerian fake barrister here:
“YOU ARE GOING STUPID , ARE YOU OUT OF YOU MIND ? YOU FOOLISH WHITE MONKEY AND YELLOW PIG.”- Barrister Isa Usm4n
or my favorite:
“if you have no better things to do its better you hang your self, you bastard junkie” Chris McKy
Otherwise, if you run around calling out “wanker” you won’t be able to stand with the others and you will be considered a “little boi” (not a good thing in West Africa). Now give it another try, mugu.
Comment by Matty | March 12th, 2009
Hey beavis,
your an idiot.
Of course not a lot of stuff is sold on the US Dubli site. It hasn’t even lauched you retard.
Right now people are getting in and buying the licenses because once it “launches” the consumer base will go up. Get your shit right before you start saying stuff man.
you make me laugh, if you knew anything about network marketing or the internet you would have realized whats actually happening. Ciao
Comment by eaglescout | March 12th, 2009
Hey Matty,
Please reference comment #9 regarding “launching”.
Comment by beavis | March 12th, 2009
Matty,
You’re right. Once Dubli “launches” in April “the consumer base will go up”. In fact it will probably even double; I might have to use my toes to count the number of auctions at that point because I won’t have enough fingers. You, too, should buy another Gold license. When I smell Dubli I smell an offshore bank account and it doesn’t have your name on it.
Comment by beavis | March 12th, 2009
Oh, wow am I good! I just checked in on Dubli and they offer an investment opportunity to “buy ownership” in the company through a company called OIB - Offshore Investment Brokers. Can it get any more obvious?
Comment by beavis | March 15th, 2009
Oh, everybody got quiet. Hmm, it seems Dubli is using a firm that specializes in not just any offshore banking operations, but they are doing business in Dubai. Dubai is one of the least cooperative countries with regard to responding to foreign government inquiries. While the Luxembourgs, Switerzerlands and Crown controlled countries cave to international pressure to release information, Dubai stands tall (while it stoops to help the scum of the world). In other words, this is where people put their money (or other peoples money) when they want to evade taxes or hide the money from the courts.
So lets take an inventory. You Dubli asssociates have:
1. Invested upfront money.
2. Have no equity to show for it.
3. Bought into an unproven business model.
4. Believe in such claims as Dubli spent 80 million dollars on the software for the web site (I can code that site and we’d be talking 10 of thousands, not tens of millions).
5. They previously promised a stock offering in Europe which disintegrated.
6. Now offer you the opportunity to put money into Dubli through an offshore banking broker.
7. Had a US “launch” in early October that had minuscule impact so they told you something “big” is going to happening in April.
8. They now claim that the auctions aren’t supposed to be that successful as it is all about getting traffic for a shopping portal.
This picture is starting to paint itself.
Comment by mikeZ | March 15th, 2009
Children all the name calling wont help us decide is Dubli a scam or not. I have to say all that I have read leads me to believe that the Dubli guys are very fishy. I know alot of you guys have already made up your minds. Well that is why I came here to figure this stuff out and from my point of view it is becomming clearer eveyday that Dubli is very suspicious.
My problem is I like the concept. Run properly it seems to me that the company could be a big hit. There problem is they need alot of upfront cash to make this work alotttttt and I know they do not have that. Hense selling licenses problem there is the guys who buy those licenses have no security at all. The lack on information about the company on the companies own website should arouse suspicion not to mention no information at all about the european site
I also own three businesses and you want an early sign to what a scam is? The guy selling the scam cant stop telling you how much money you will make. Thats all the guys at dubli have been telling me.
Comment by dirkdigler | March 16th, 2009
I’ve been approached by a friend with the free credits thing, etc. I’ve been looking into this company and I can’t find anything solid on them. No financial information just lot’s of promises that I’ll get rich quick if I hand them $3195. I was told also within a month Dubli was going to explode in the US. I agree with MikeZ about how all they talk about is how much money your going to make with little work. They even go on to say I’ll make money in my sleep. If its such a good deal they should take their money in commissions as money is being generated since it is only a month away. Instead they want me to pay up front for a license. I’m going to pass.
Comment by Robbie | March 16th, 2009
“We know this works because it has already been done in Germany and has been launched this past October 2008. We are working off of their success.”
LOL, once again someone is trying to make you believe that Dubli is a success in Germany. I can assure you it is not. These claims are all the more ridiculous if you consider the fact, that the US Dubli site has three times as much traffic as the European Dubli sites (which, of course, include Germany), although it’s only getting started in the US and making very little progress. But you can also check the completed auctions in Germany. On a good day three items are sold in the Xpress section. But there are also periods of up to 7 days without a single completed auction! Wow, what a success story. Zer0 and Unique Bid aren’t doing any better, and the fact, that many auctions are won by the same bidders, despite the fact that they’re based on luck, makes me believe that even the few successful auctions are staged by Dubli.
Comment by beavis | March 16th, 2009
I need to make a correction/clarification:
Dubli has relationships in Dubai, but I have no evidence OIB operates there; OIB does operate in the Sultantate of Oman (another nearby offshore haven). It’s anyone’s guess where the associates’ license fees are now vacationing.
On another note, details of the auctions have been forwarded to the Nevada Gaming Control Board to have them determine whether Dubli is in violation of NRS463. As you probably know, the State of Nevada understands what is and is not gambling and will vigorously enforce the Nevada Revised Statutes against those that violate the State’s laws. Also, the investment offer for what appears to be an offer to purchase equity on Dubli’s site has been forwarded to the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Comment by Gene | March 16th, 2009
Yeah the company is down the drain before it started. Hey the fact is that you see a big thing going and you think you can stop it. Why? What do you guys have at stake? Very interesting. The completed auctions do look a little dismal at this point in the US if that’s all there is which they have listed on the auction site. But I really don’t think the customer base is there yet. As you seem to forget. It may take a year to get it hot. Robbie put up a link so we can see the completed auctions in Germany would you? Beavis keep us updated on Nevada would you? LOL! In the mean time I will keep up the promotion of the company. At the bottom of my first page on my site there is a bit of information as to the legality of the auctions. Check out my site. A little crying wolf is not going to stop me. Thanks for the free advertising here. Hey folks try the auctions for yourself see if you can save on any of what’s there. I think you will find something you like. Have fun. The auctions haven’t stopped yet. LOL Like I say on my site, If you’re going to have an online store, how do you plan on bringing customers? Well here’s the solution. Have auctions where the prices go down. The $5,000 Walmart Voucher is still available and seems to keep coming up. I haven’t bid on it for some time. Maybe it’s still the same one. If so it’s got to be pretty low priced by now.
Comment by Robbie | March 16th, 2009
A link? So you don’t even know how to handle the site you’re advertising for? Go to the US Dubli site, click on the EU icon (that’s the blue flag with the stars, right next to the US flag), then on “Completed auctions” and there you are. I think the auctions you see there are actually for the whole EU, not just Germany…
In return I could ask you to put up a link or ANY proof of Dubli’s success in Europe. I mean you’re not just making that up or telling lies?
Comment by Gene | March 16th, 2009
A link! Why didn’t you just tell everyone in the first place? So they could see for themselves. Yes there are in fact auctions going on. Good news. But the question is. Are they the only auctions going on? Just remember the auctions are just a part of the online shop/store. Tell me they aren’t making money in the store. The auctions aren’t the whole ball of wax Robbie. Come on you know that. Don’t you?
Comment by beavis | March 16th, 2009
Gene is right, the store is another part of the equation; however, another shopping portal in a sea of shopping portals is not going to make anyone rich. The “hook” for traffic is the auction product. Unfortunately, the auction traffic indicates that there is a lack of consumer interest in this product. Optimists may claim that it only due to lack of exposure and that once Dubli “takes off” that will change. My opinion is Dubli has had enough time to generate a reasonable level of traffic and if it were going to “take off” it would be already posting more substantial numbers. I’ve heard claims of a customer base in the millions, millionaire and billionair investor backing, tens of millions expended for software, millionaires being created and yet the only solid evidence anyone can get their hands on appears to be the auction traffic which not only doesn’t support the company’s claims, but builds a decidedly good case to disprove them.
Comment by Lt. Col. J. D. Remington 5th SF | March 17th, 2009
Who is located in Scottsdale AZ., area, that is willing to meet for coffee, I am seeking a meet with an individual, that actually knows what the truth is on this Dubli?
I have family friends that have traded as high as $90k in accounts receivables for memberships….this thing could well prove catastrophic for these businesses that today find they cannot collect their receivables in this economy.
I want a face to face with an individual having “extensive” first hand knowledge experience , with Hansen personally or the guy from Oregon. Advise.
Comment by Fox | March 17th, 2009
Gene, you are just babbling about how successful Dubli is. Where are the facts? Could you, please, provide some working links or etc…
Gene, I am afraid that there is nothing to do for you but . Of course not! You are losing your money!
Have a great day!
Comment by Fox | March 17th, 2009
Sorry for th technical problem.
Gene, you are just babbling about how successful Dubli is. Where are the facts? Could you, please, provide some working links or etc…
Gene, I am afraid that there is nothing to do for you but “keep up the promotion of the company”. “A little crying wolf is not going to stop me”/ Of course not! You are losing your money!
Have a great day!
Comment by Robbie | March 17th, 2009
“Yes there are in fact auctions going on. Good news.”
Gee, you’re so desperate. Next to nothing is going on in the auctions, and somehow you’re trying to turn this into good news. For weeks you’re trying to convince everyone that the auctions are Dubli’s “hook” and “niche,” and confronted with the FACT that they’re not going well in Europe (where Dubli is supposed to be a success) you’re hiding behind the store, because there’s no way to check how often it is used. Also, what you call “store” is simply another price finder with a very limited choice (i.e. only few stores are linked to Dubli).
I consider other people smart enough to go to the EU Dubli site and check for themselves. If this is too tough for you to handle, you can make yourself a link. But why would you want it? Why would you want to see the misery? Are you some sort of masochist? Is this possibly the sole reason behind you being so into Dubli?
Needless to say you completely forgot to back up your claim of Dubli’s success in Europe.
Comment by Gene | March 17th, 2009
So into it. Oh yeah. Listen. How many people here really know about the auctions? I mean in real numbers. Really now. Can’t you remember anything on this blog? Not even six months in the making and you think it’s a done deal. If you noticed in Europe the shop is very extensive. Look for anything! I think things have slowed down in everything. I don’t just do this company. It’s slow everywhere. In everything. Don’t ya know?
Except maybe in the repo business! As things turn around and more people know about the auctions they can only get hot here as the were in Europe. You can’t go by what’s happening in the last few months as any indicator as to what has happened in Europe prior. You mean you can’t put a link up for us and do a little advertising? At any rate we have established we in fact, do have a business with an online store haven’t we. No scam whatsoever.
Comment by Chris T. | March 17th, 2009
Is it me or does EagleScout need to get laid? A hobby. Oh, I forgot, this is how he makes his living.
Comment by Fox | March 17th, 2009
The traffic ranks for Dubli.com and smartwinshop.com are pretty low: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/smartwinshop.com/ Just compare it with eBay or Amazon
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/smartwinshop.com/ Impressive, isn’t it?
Now, please look here http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/smartwinshop.com/
Dubli.eu – the site from Europe is not even on top 100,000! Oh Yes, it is successful business in Europe, especially according to money they told they spent for SEO.
Comment by Fox | March 17th, 2009
After some research, I found eu.dubli.com (site from Europe) . Their traffic ranks are very low for the huge successful business in Europe. Moreover, 55% of the visitors are from USA (?). Only 22.8% visitors are from German (where it suppose to be extremely popular). Take a look http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/eu.dubli.com
Comment by Gene | March 17th, 2009
Hey Fox check back a few more months and then let us know.
But don’t miss what we have here.
Comment by Fox | March 17th, 2009
Ok, I will. But what about Europe (eu.DubLi)? I am afraid that it is too late to check it back as everything has happened there already.
Comment by Gene | March 18th, 2009
That’s my point. Everything has happened there already. Others are babbling about how unsuccessful the company is without giving it a chance before it gets rolling full steam and yes tough times are upon us which makes it a little more tricky. That doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with the company. Will things pick up? Who knows. But there is no scam here. We’ll have a better feel after April. Some interesting things will be happening.
Comment by Robbie | March 19th, 2009
How many people know about the auctions? What the hell do you mean? Anyone who checks the site can see how many auctions are completed. Your posts are getting more and more incoherent. The shop is anything but extensive, I can’t find anything of interest. Besides, this is not a shop! Amazon has a shop, Dubli has not. All you find there are links to other shops. There’s hundreds of sites offering a better price finding service.
LOL, so first you were referring to the European success Dubli USA is working off, now you admit that everything has happened here (in Europe). Well, if it’s over without having made any impact, why should it work in the USA? Answer is easy: It will do its purpose. It will take advantage of some people’s gullibility, greed or desperation. Once the US market is exploited, Dubli will move on to the next market and the bosses will get richer, until the company collapses. But I guess the only way for you to learn is the hard way…
Comment by Gene | March 19th, 2009
You are ridiculous robbie. You have no coherent arguments. You don’t even listen to reason and again everyone can see it.
We’ve got a great business plan and people can make a good honest living doing it, so bug off man. Here go shopping http://eu.dubli.com/?gmt=300 I guess you have no idea what a trading portal is. Do you? Anyone who is an associate can make click through income when customers buy through the portal and it doesn’t matter if they buy there from goggle or ebay or amazon. I guess you lost it all in the translation didn’t you.
Comment by Ryan | March 19th, 2009
april is coming. the big “launch” is almost upon us. i’m positively GIDDY!! i believe the webinar promised a “media blitz.” i will poop on myself if i hear something about dubli on television or radio. right then and there.
Comment by beavis | March 19th, 2009
Gene,
The facts are the facts. Dubli promoted itself based on the alleged success of their European operation. We have verified that Dubli EU is not, in any stretch of the imagination, successful. The auction traffic is even lower than in the US. I think this would be properly labeled as a lie or gross exaggeration.
They dare to compare themselves to eBay and that they are impacting their market share. Once again, the traffic at these sites indicates that any impact is minuscule. I think this also qualifies as a lie or gross exaggeration.
I’ve already stated my feelings about their unverifiable claim of spending 80 million on software for the site. I think it is not even close to reasonable that they spent this kind of money and, barring evidence to the contrary, I believe it to be a lie.
They associate with OIB and expect investors to invest in Dubli through them. OIB (Offshore Investment Brokers) is in the business of setting up offshore accounts. Offshore accounts are primarily used to evade taxes and shield money from the courts. This is more than a red flag for dubious business practices; it practically spells out that the company is committing or intends to commit questionable acts.
Dubli claims 10,000+ associates. I believe that is a lie, too; but for the sake of argument, if there are 10,000 associates, the amount of auction traffic commission income per associate is in the pennies per day (per week?). How do you create enough profit to return the investment of the associates? Barring an amazing increase in auction traffic, you can’t unless you factor in the recruiting income which, coincidently, is how all pyramid schemes work.
If Dubli doesn’t show some real numbers soon the pyramid will reach its’ end. At that point your license money will most likely wind up in a numbered account in Dubai or the Sultantate of Oman (Dubli has relationship’s in Dubai and OIB has an office in Oman). It probably is already there. At that point that money will not be reachable by the US courts. Game over.
Comment by Gene | March 19th, 2009
You got a lot of wind don’t ya beavis? Go shopping http://eu.dubli.com/?gmt=300 You hear what you want to hear. Ever watch Howdy Doody?
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 19th, 2009
Gene… soon you will be ashamed of your ignorance. Or maybe you aren’t smart enough to know you were wrong. The big LOL “Viral Launch” is “coming up”. Every body brace yourself. Gene is about to prove us all right. They are going to sell twice as many products as before! LOL Would that be 25? Maybe 30? Gene is going to be laughing all the way to the bank with his 11 cents. Too bad he invested 3100!!!!!!! LOLOLOL OMG What a loser!
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 19th, 2009
I think it’s time to admit what a fool you have been Gene, and all the rest. Stop hurting family and friends. Why would a company with Billionaire investors and oil tycoons need puny insignificant loans from losers like Gene who don’t go to College and get real jobs? I just heard about Dubli on Monday, and it took me one day of casual reading, and grade 6 math to realize what a crap scam it is!!!! I am personally embarrassed on behalf of all the Gene’s out there who are doomed to a life of self deceit, and shameful failure. What a sad pathetic display you have put of here, with your poorly supported arguments. “You don’t even listen to reason and again everyone can see it”. Good point Gene, if you are talking about yourself.
If you are wondering about my motivations for posting, I’m a die hard Ebayer. I am, like many others soooo worried about Dubli taking part of the market share…. LOL what a joke…. My vet’s webpage is taking a bigger piece of Ebay’s pie.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 19th, 2009
In regards to comment 501 by Gene. I find a particular degree of hilarity here. I mean everything he has said is irrelevant and pathetic dribble, but I find this one more entertaining than the others. I’m not sure why. Kudos on establishing that you have an online store. Now onto more pressing issues, like why your company would charge you to work for them? Or why there are less than 20 items a day sold on the Express Auctions? The majority of power sellers on Ebay (small groups of people each) outsell this feature both in number of items, and in gross sales. They paid only pennies in marketing for each item listed. How much did your page cost you? Why doesn’t one person here produce a financial statement for Dubli, that shows a net gain. Please don’t fabricate one on your Microsoft Excel 97′ trial version, that would make you appear more sad. What kind of company has friends performing corny webinar’s which equate to something of less value than a Bowflex commercial. Well done Eaglescout, on providing two hours of entertainment for me. Dubli is laughable at best. Most would call it pathetic.
God Bless!
(LOL that was a laugh too! What kind of ethical person (referring to several posts here) try’s to tie religion into their MLM propaganda. Probably not a smart one!) I’m an agnostic intellect who finds Gene’s existence sad, and inevitable net loss amusing. Surely your wife will leave you after the “viral launch”.
LOL I had to get one more in. Obviously Gene has only limited intercourse, likely with himself.
Comment by Gene | March 19th, 2009
Oh hurting family and friends now. I don’t have time for you.
Comment by Charlie | March 19th, 2009
Everytime I check in there’s a new and improved Wanker in charge, “2Smart4Dubli” I doubt you’re to smart for anything except your telemarketing job where soon you might be floor manager, maybe ask your parents for a loan and you can come and see my house in Maui,(My address is posted) The house and the cars are paid for, I spend my days playing Golf, Fishing, and getting stoned, “2Smart4Dubli” I loved your appearance on Dateline’s To Catch A Predator”, If you love young boys so much you should go to Thailand, maybe settle down with a nice 12 year old,…..
Comment by beavis | March 19th, 2009
Why does the Dubli money train now resemble a short, yellow bus?
Comment by Charlie | March 19th, 2009
That’s not a bus Beavis that’s your Gonorrhea urine. I’ve got my own train and your Mother’s up front Fucker.
Comment by beavis | March 19th, 2009
Charlie,
Getting a bit touchy? You act like you just lost a bit of money. You can always take a trip to Dubai and visit it. The more I dig into Dubli the more I realize what a scam you fell for. And even with your insults, I am sad I couldn’t have prevented you from doing it as I find the scammers even more repulsive. I’m afraid next month may contain the day of reckoning for you as the “big announcement” by Dubli will be just more grandiose talk and even you might experience the phenomena known as the”dim bulb turning on” (granted your’s will probably only flicker and spark, but that would be an improvement).
Comment by Charlie | March 20th, 2009
Beavis Please, I could care a less about Dubli, I’m just trying to get into a fight… I’m like the drunk white trash guy at the party, cept I have a whole bunch of money in the bank.
Comment by beavis | March 20th, 2009
Charlie,
Thanks, Charlie, that was a real kick in the nuts. Now I’ve only got Gene to make fun of.
Comment by Gene | March 20th, 2009
Hey beav no fun intended ah?
This little man 2s must have skipped the class in college writing when it came to fallacies along with beav. He must think he can prove his point by berating a moral upstanding man with only the best of virtues impugning motives and character. It’s good we can see the truth come shinning through of the characters of those who oppose something that will help those fortunate ones who had the courage to breast the storm of derisive abuse of some who harbor no reserve as to their ill conceived designs as they try to paint a picture in their favor. Sensible people are watching these stupid abusive attacks. Don’t let these random acts of insanity
weigh on you as you make the decision to be part of the company that will indeed do what it says it will do.
Good day!
Comment by beavis | March 20th, 2009
Gene,
Well, you continually ignore the facts that are starting to really pile up against Dubli and yet you continue to market for this company. Exactly how should you be treated? It’s getting a little beyond the stage of you being a victim to the point that you know or should have known that things are not alright in Dubliworld. The auction model is failing as evidenced by the lack of traffic. The company associates and conducts business with offshore banking types which says volumes about it credibility. Just why should these guys be trusted? If the auction model is so attractive why is the traffic nothing less than pathetic? Why does the company make wild claims that defy reason such as they are going to be the next eBay or Amazon and that they spent 80 million on software? I don’t think these guys are just liars; I think they are sociopaths willing to say whatever they feel people like you want to hear in order to take your money. Its time you asked yourself “why do they make such outrageous claims” and “why is the traffic so poor when they claimed people would flock to it and continue to say it in the face of verifiably poor stats”. If you are going to market for this company it your obligation to start asking them these questions.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 20th, 2009
“Don’t let these random acts of insanity
weigh on you as you make the decision to be part of the company that will indeed do what it says it will do.
Good day!”
lol…. If I was a telemarketer, I would be netting several times more than all of the “Dublidiots” on here. I’m not, but it’s because I’m a student. I already have a degree in Biology, with a minor in Econ. That’s and HBSC Biologiy L Econ for anyone here who only goes to webinars, instead of a real school (Gene cough). Now I’m pursuing a second major. Gene I’m sure has several phD’s, in addition to his honorary degree in being a broke moron.
I’m sure you have no time for me, because you are frantically trying to explain to the friends and family you *didn’t hurt* why they aren’t generating any revenue yet. Sorry you are such a loser.
Your highly intellectual delivery of the last post makes me think you might not be all fool, but you are obviously not beyond the trickery of the Dubli scam. Once again, why don’t you post some relevant banking info that shows the deposits you have received?
“I think things have slowed down in everything. I don’t just do this company. It’s slow everywhere. In everything. Don’t ya know?”
LOL oh wait…. nevermind. You are all fool. Really Gene! What other companies do you “do”?!?!? More mlm’s?
Do you clean office buildings for a living? What are your credentials? You don’t have time for me but you spend so much time on a blog about your scamstore. I’m sure you are no professional.
Good work on providing relevant info that disproves the negativity on this blog. The only viral launch you should worry about concerns the escort services you would surely use, if you weren’t so broke from Dubli.
As for Charlie, congratulations on having successful parents, unless you are just a liar like Gene. Why would someone with tons of money waste time trying to make a minimal income on Dubli? Or spend all day on this blog? Your lies are as transparent as Gene’s invisible conscience.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 21st, 2009
LOL. I was drunk last night when I entered that last post.. Too drunk to see just how pathetic Gene’s post was! HAHAHAHAHA! What an intellect! Trying to prove us wrong with a dated thesaurus and some pathetic (run on) sentences. LOL!!!!
You know what? On second thought we should all take Gene’s word for it. Let’s sit back and let this company do what they say they will do! After all, don’t all of the business greats of the world just take everyone’s word for it, without ever seeing any pertinent data regarding the companies they invest in? Surely Michael Hansen is a kind man, with Gene’s kind and moral heart in mind.
Maybe you should bite the bullet, apologize to the people you enlisted in your Dubli cult, and beg your boss at the factory to let you come back. Unless they already closed and moved their plant to Mexico.
Comment by beavis | March 21st, 2009
DubLi Gone Fail:
4 successful auctions yesterday (3/20/09) for Dbuli US;
1 successful auction yesterday for Dubli EU.
OK, Gene, do we really have to wait until April for their big announcement about some made up ad campaign with bazillions of ad dollars that only exist in the CEO’s mind? Dubli is failing. I think 2smart4Dubli is right; it’s time to make those phone calls.
Comment by Gene | March 21st, 2009
Beav HOW can you say the auctions have failed. Don’t be dopey.
Like I said who knows about the auctions yet? It’s only a scant number of the population. When the masses find out watch out. The way you treat me is an indication of who you are. Who would want to do business with you? Really LOL. Off shore banking give me a break. And so what! We don’t have to out do ebay or amazon cause we can work right with them through our trading portal. We get click through revenue when our customers buy from any of these companies through our trading portal. Is it getting clearer for you? You never did answer my question if you knew what a trading portal was. You’re battling a futile campaign against the company. I don’t need to ask any questions I’m seeing how it works. I have asked believe me.
Comment by Gene | March 21st, 2009
I’ve got a little time for you now 2s. Oohhhh a degree 2s. So what? You had to go to college to get smarts. LOL I’ve had plenty of schooling so don’t be so high and mighty. I got good grades too. Where did you learn your trash talk? LOL I don’t have access to any of their bank records, do you? Hey you lose when you open your mouth. There is no trickery with the company it’s a simple plan and I LIKE it. But knuckle heads may have a hard time comprehending the simplicity of it all. I look at it this way. I can get free advertising here and your ignorant remarks just help others make up their minds to do the business. Look whose talking about run on sentences. Anyone ever teach you manners? So what if I clean toilets. It’s honest work. It doesn’t matter what kind of honest work you do, you can do this business for extra income. Take a hike little man. Where did you come from anyway?
Comment by Charlie | March 21st, 2009
“2smart” did you actually mention college?! I’m embarrassed for you man. Go back to your bowl of Top Ramen and your poster of NSYNC and call me when you’ve grown some balls, me a liar? yeah sometimes but not when it concerns money, here it is my dad was a truck driver and my Mom was a school teacher, my dad died in 89 and left me $150,000 in tax free life insurance, I was training to become a Seal in the United States Navy, I took the money and built a conservative portfolio, Ten years later in 1999 I lost my Mom she left me about $250,000 and change in tax free life insurance, I took all that money and invested in one thing, Coffee, Hawaiian Coffee, first on Kona (The Big Island) and next here in Maui, over the past 10 years I’ve made more money than you’ll make in your lifetime, I’ve raised three sons who live here in Maui, My oldest son is a champion Mixed Martial arts fighter and a typical bad ass, I bought a 4 thousand square foot house that was in foreclosure here in West Maui, I golf every Sunday with Willie Nelson and Woody Harrelson, I ride my Harley with Peter Fonda and I smoke weed every day. I’m 43 and retired. Like I said come and see for yourself you little shit. The reason I blog on this site? 15 minutes of boredom per day. You should post your address and I could come and see you, but that’s not likely is it.
Comment by beavis | March 21st, 2009
Gene said:
“You’re battling a futile campaign against the company.”
You’re right Gene; my efforts are futile. Dubli is doing a fine job of failing regardless of what I do. I just hope I’m doing some little part in accelerating its’ demise. I still think getting a troop of Girl Scouts to do the selling instead of the Dubli website would increase sales and would cost less than the 80 million dollars Dubli claims to have invested in software (I still laugh every time I think about that claim; 80 million).
Gene further said “Off shore banking give me a break. And so what!”
Umm, one of my earlier posts regarding Dubli’s association with Offshore Investment Brokers kind of spelled that one out for you:
“Offshore accounts are primarily used to evade taxes and shield money from the courts. This is more than a red flag for dubious business practices; it practically spells out that the company is committing or intends to commit questionable acts.”
Trusting people with your money is one thing; trusting people with your money who play with “investment advisors” who specialize in offshore accounts is a little dicier.
Comment by Robbie | March 22nd, 2009
“You have no coherent arguments. You don’t even listen to reason and again everyone can see it.”
Look at him, now he’s already writing to himself. Obviously Dubli is not only a scam, it also has a devastating effect on the psyche.
“I guess you lost it all in the translation didn’t you.”
Yeah, sure, if believing this makes you feel better or helps you to evade responses to the points I made, I did. Your total lack of arguments and your monotonous advertising routine are beginning to have me believe you’re just a badly programmed bot. I’ll keep an eye on the thread, but a discussion with a Dublidiot is apparently as pointless as it is tiresome.
Comment by Robbie | March 22nd, 2009
Charlie, you were 44 as of December 2. It’s March and you’re 43. I know with Dubli sky’s the limit. But what can we expect in April? Are you gonna get pregnant? With Woody Harrelson’s baby? Beat Tiger Woods wearing a blindfold? Keep us updated!
Comment by Gene | March 22nd, 2009
blog on boys blog on. LOL I need say no more.
Comment by beavis | March 22nd, 2009
Gene said:
“I need say no more.”
That’s been true for some time.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 22nd, 2009
OMG Charlie!
Before I thought you were maybe lying because you were embarrassed about your involvement with Dubli, and you were trying to reconcile your feelings of self hatred.
It’s clear now that you are simply a pathological liar.
Most people are smart enough to know that a “Seal”, is a position in the “United States Navy”. Really it goes without mentioning. Or are there also Mexican Navy Seals. Do you go to international Seal conferences and exchange pins?
VERY believable. An ex Navy Seal / coffee millionaire who frequently golfs with celebrities…. but you are posting on here about how you hope to get rich with Dubli…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Do you also take tea with Laura Bush?
Douchebag of the Year Award… (drumrole) …….goes to Charlie! Da da da da da da daaaaaaaaaa!
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 22nd, 2009
LOL…
Here is comment #146 from credible old Charlie.
“I have to say this blog is fun! I am amazed that people say Mutlti Level marketing like it’s a bad thing, I’m 44 years old, and my Father was in Amway in 1970 and he retired at 40 years old making 6 figures for his entire life and he never went to any office or ever wore a name tag, My mother was with Mary kay Cosmetics for 20 years and always made 6 figures and drove a new pink caddilac every year, both my parents are gone and I still get checks from both companies, so laugh it up people there are more retired Network Marketing Millionaires than perhaps any business you can get into besides maybe Real Estate or Insurance, But this blog is fun!”
Then here is comment #530 (Also Charlie)
““2smart” did you actually mention college?! I’m embarrassed for you man. Go back to your bowl of Top Ramen and your poster of NSYNC and call me when you’ve grown some balls, me a liar? yeah sometimes but not when it concerns money, here it is my dad was a truck driver and my Mom was a school teacher, my dad died in 89 and left me $150,000 in tax free life insurance, I was training to become a Seal in the United States Navy, I took the money and built a conservative portfolio, Ten years later in 1999 I lost my Mom she left me about $250,000 and change in tax free life insurance, I took all that money and invested in one thing, Coffee, Hawaiian Coffee, first on Kona (The Big Island) and next here in Maui, over the past 10 years I’ve made more money than you’ll make in your lifetime, I’ve raised three sons who live here in Maui, My oldest son is a champion Mixed Martial arts fighter and a typical bad ass, I bought a 4 thousand square foot house that was in foreclosure here in West Maui, I golf every Sunday with Willie Nelson and Woody Harrelson, I ride my Harley with Peter Fonda and I smoke weed every day. I’m 43 and retired. Like I said come and see for yourself you little shit. The reason I blog on this site? 15 minutes of boredom per day. You should post your address and I could come and see you, but that’s not likely is it.”
Charlie is so high all day he must have forgetten about previous posts. So your dad made 6 figures but drove a truck for fun? Your parents both made 6 figures but the only money they left you was from life insurance?
This is a very believable case you have made for yourself Charlie. Time to cut your losses and start posting under a new name, and telling us you are from L.A.
I need say no more!!!!
Comment by beavis | March 22nd, 2009
2smart4Dubli, YOU IDIOT!!! Charlie is a ninja for the CIA. Are you trying to get yourself killed!?
Comment by Charlie | March 22nd, 2009
It’s just so much easier to tell lies, it helps ease my self hatred, and I have been posing another name since I started this and you guys fall for it everytime! There is no Charlie in fact there is no Maui, I will be blogging under a different name and you guys will actually respond, To Funny.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 22nd, 2009
Gene… anything to add to the demise of your “business associates”.
Also I apologize to Eaglescout for taking the professionalism away from your blog. I simply can’t resist making attacks against people like Gene and Charlie personal. They are too stupid for logic and it seems to be the only thing that works to get through to them…
I’m done here… Peace!
Comment by beavis | March 22nd, 2009
I’m checking out, at least until the April announcement by Dubli. I just love to say “I told you so” and I know it will be one of those moments. Will they promise a 50 million or 100 million dollar ad campaign? I also heard the EU was going to convert all commerce to only go through Dubli by 2010. And Dubli credits are the next world currency.
Comment by I Love Dubli | March 23rd, 2009
I just wondered on to this site and I have to say this is the first negative anything I’ve ever heard about Dubli. I joined about October of 08 and I’ve made money ever since. I signed up my pastor at my church and so far it’s really taken off, i live in vegas and everyone i know who got involved are really happy and excited about Dubli. My upline opened an office and we’re recruiting people everyday and giving them the tools and resources they need to make money, I don’t think it will ever out do E-bay but I do think it’s legit and a great way to start your own business. Thanks Dubli!
Comment by teamdubli | March 23rd, 2009
I’ve been in dubli since the beginning and i have to say this thing has changed my life and the lives of people i’ve introduced it to for the positive, here in san diego Dubli is going nuts, we also have an office and most of us are in dubli full time, i don’t know where you guys are getting your “information” but we’re all having a ball with this thing. i think april will just be incredible, furthermore i don’t know why you genius’s are knocking dubli, what do you care if someone wants to get involved, you’re wasting your time dubli’s going to be huge.
Comment by Lazbit | March 23rd, 2009
Just wanted to say thanks for this site, doing the research, exposing Dubli for obvious sham that it is, and keeping it going even when they try to intimidate your hosting provider (and good on them for sticking by you).
A friend who’s been pressured to invest in Dubli asked me to check it out. (I’ve worked in the e-commerce field for 10 years.) This is obviously not a reputable firm.
Here’s the summary I sent to her:
1) While not all MLM firms are scams, they deserve more scrutiny than traditional businesses. Dubli bears all the hallmarks of a traditional pyramid scam.
2) For the amazing claims made by the firm about their success in Europe and million dollar investments in Europe, you can’t find a single bit of independent media coverage to confirm. What you can find are bankruptcies, fleeing scam artists, and founders with less than stellar reputations. You can also find dismal traffic reports show dismal or flat growth — certainly not indicators that consumers are flocking to their sites, even if word of mouth is the only form of marketing.
3) The firm is about as transparent as Bernie Madoff was. It’s a black box. They’ll brag about all the money being made (or that will be made), but won’t show you their financials when pressed.
4) They have no formal US addresses other than a drop ship center. And payments are done via wire transfer to offshore accounts, making the odds of ever getting your money back if anything were to go wrong remote at best. Highly suspicious.
5) They’ve had a US-based auction site running for four months. Very very few items sell. On some days nothing sells. Individual eBay sellers outperform them. And yet this is supposed to be the ‘hook’ that will bring in traffic for the supposed ‘heart’ of their deal, the ‘online store’ where they link to other merchants.
6) For the next phase of their operations, they’ll be taking on Google (via Froogle), PriceGrabber, MySimon, and other price comparison and linking tools that are firmly entrenched in the market. They think they’ll pull this off via the popularity of their auctions. This is wishful thinking in the extreme. Again, look at the traffic reports (6 months after launch), and the dismal activity on the auctions. It’s just not a believable claim. And even if it were to get popular, they’ll have an incredibly difficult time taking on industry heavy weights with more capital, credibility, and experience.
7) In my opinion, at the end of the day, the heart of Dubli is convincing people that are unfamiliar with e-commerce that they are being given some rare opportunity to ‘be at the front of the wave’ of a lucrative e-business opportunity. But the only capital flowing is the suckers being forced to buy ‘credits’ and trying to convince their friends to do the same. Eventually, like all these schemes, the founders will disappear with their money. And move on to the next con job and the next set of saps. It’s sad. It’s manipulative. It takes advantage of people at a time when they are hungry for hope. It’s a con as old as time wearing Web 2.0 coating. PT Barnum said it best, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
Comment by Gene | March 23rd, 2009
Lazbit,
You have got a lot of flap on the lip there don’t ya? Of course it’s all baloney just like the rest. Where did you get your reasoning abilities? You’ve been in e-commerce now for 10 big ones ah. What are you 30 yrs old now? We’ll see if it’s reputable or not. You’ve just cover most of the points that these jokers here have tried to poke fun at to no avail.
Don’t you like the concept the hook of the auctions? So you pay 80 cents to look at a price and got that 500 dollar laptop for zero. I mean would you call that a deal or a steal? It doesn’t take a mad scientist or even a rocket scientist to see what we have here. How long do you think it should take for this business to make a profit? Do you know anything about a business? I mean at 30? No offense to 30 year olds but come on man. If you’d all join me on my auction site we can take care of some of the slow time and pick it up a bit. Let’s get them auctions fired up. What do you say? We have products to move maybe not all you expect but they’re there. Let’s get’r done.
Comment by teamdubli | March 23rd, 2009
All that neat research you’ve done is impressive but what about myself and all my Dubli friends who paid $800 to get started and made that money back immediately and continue to make money, without investing another dime? Wouldn’t you agree we’re ahead, I’m not investing ANY more money in Dubli and I and my friends will continue to make money, so who got scammed, nobody I know. I was hoping to hear from beavis and 2smart they seem like the real genius behind this site.
Comment by Charlie | March 23rd, 2009
I miss Beavis and 2Smart4Dubli it’s just no fun without the personal jabs and sarcasm, We really do need some genuine jackasses to make this site fun. Did you see how those guys signed off last “My work is done here” and 2Smart actually thanking Eaglescout like two caped crusaders going off to battle, I think they got together and are living happily ever after. We love you guys!! Stay in touch.
Comment by I Love Dubli | March 23rd, 2009
charlie, are you even in dubli? what the heck are you doing here?
Comment by dale | March 23rd, 2009
“A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme”
Glad to see you are successful “teamdubli”.
Comment by Gene | March 23rd, 2009
Dale,
AND?
Comment by teamdubli | March 23rd, 2009
Thank you dale, I wouldn’t say i’m successful, but i’m making a little extra money with dubli, and i’ve never had “extra” money before, so I apologize to those who have ill will towards dubli, but I don’t. Good luck to all.
Comment by Rea Tard | March 23rd, 2009
This has got to be the most retarded statement I has ever read regarding a business opportunity and how to identify if its a scam… wtf???
How to identify a scam:
[Nobody who is your friend needs to sell you anything so you can be rich. If they are really your friend, they wouldn’t make you pay for it; unless they were desperate for money. And if they are desperate for money, then their “business” proposition can’t be any good.]
Hahaha “If they are really your friend, they wouldn’t make you pay for it” Dude what planet are you from?!
I stumbled onto this site because I received a link on “Dubli retarded auction for idiots”
Personally I wish I would have made this business model It looks like a awesome money maker!
Fist off I love that they get retards to buy credits.
Mmmmm FREE MONEY earning interest!!!
Secondly spend a credit/money just to view a price all the while reducing the value of the product but insuring the retailer get full retail price… haha that amazing that people really fall for this.
Look for my auction site its gonna be called “Foolubli”
Comment by teamdubli | March 23rd, 2009
Hey Rea like i said if the whole thing went belly up tommorrow, I’m already ahead by a few thousand bucks.
Comment by I Love Dubli | March 23rd, 2009
I still can’t understand why people are against Dubli I think it might solve everything that’s going on right now just turn to Dubli and everything will be incredible
Comment by Insidious | March 24th, 2009
Sockpuppets hired by DubLi.
Comment by teamdubli | March 24th, 2009
You think Dubli is paying me to post on this site, that would be awesome, where do I sign up. Seriously if you know how to get paid for this fill me in.
Comment by Charlie | March 24th, 2009
Rea Tard, you have the same unique sarcasm and stupidity as “Beavis” are you sure you’re not just switcing names Beavis? I think that you are, you know you can’t stay away.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 24th, 2009
Charlie = teamdubli = I Love Dublie
He thought that by capitalizing only one of his additional pseudonyms we would be fooled into believing it is two separate people.
Gene = inbred monkey prophet
Comment by Charlie | March 24th, 2009
So it is you 2smart, this is your site. 2smart=Eaglescout=cocksucker,
Comment by Fox | March 24th, 2009
Just does your home work. Go back in 2004 and you will see that Dubli has already started their BIG promises
Check it out http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://dubli.com
Where are the BIG results????
Comment by Fox | March 24th, 2009
Oops! “do” of course
Comment by beavis | March 24th, 2009
So they have been promising this same shtick since 2004 and these “associates” are still waiting for the BIG EVENT that will rocket them to financial Independence? I honestly didn’t know this. Good work Fox; verifiable facts really piss of the devout (be prepared to be called names; that’s how they fight back).
Comment by beavis | March 24th, 2009
Read that as “piss off the devout”. I’ll go back to hibernation now. Fox’s post just caught my attention because it had some nice damning information about Dubli (an we all know how hard it is to get anything concrete on Dubli).
Comment by beavis | March 24th, 2009
Oh, one more thing; how about a new tag line for Dubli:
“Promising success since 2004!”
All you Dubli “associates”, feel free to use this.
Comment by Gene | March 25th, 2009
Beav everyone can see who the name callers are.
That’s what you have to resort to when you can’t
honestly defend your position. Fox if you want a
domain name go try godaddy.
Comment by Gene | March 25th, 2009
I does my home work.
Hey I like the European ad Fox they’ve been going at it for awhile there haven’t they? The company’s conception was in 2003. Check my site.
… makes the World smaller and your opportunities larger!
… you can - FREE OF CHARGE - advertise your products
or services to an affluent audience.
Comment by umissedit | March 25th, 2009
Re tard said;”Secondly spend a credit/money just to view a price all the while reducing the value of the product but insuring the retailer get full retail price… haha that amazing that people really fall for this.” They pay to join Sam’s Club and Costco to see the price and buy it. They both make more in membership fees than what they sell!
Dale Said;“A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme” So is Social Security and you pay into it.
I’ve spent twenty minutes at this site. What a waste of time it’s been.
Comment by beavis | March 25th, 2009
umissedit,
Thank you for contributing to the waste of time with your off-base, inaccurate and irrelevant analogies. Please feel free to post again next year.
And Charlie,
. . . oh, never mind.
Comment by Charlie | March 25th, 2009
Beavis, those neverminds really hurt, please some more insults I’m desperate.
Comment by Woody | March 25th, 2009
it seems like a lot of solid people are involved in dubli, i know for a fact Hubert Humphrey from world financial group fame is involved, why would he possibly want to get involved the man’s a billionaire, for every site like this one there are a hundred that are pro dubli.
Comment by dubliscam | March 25th, 2009
So there are 33 items in the zero bid auction. Is that it? I have been following this MLM for 6 months in search of the truth and all I have found are brain washed MLM’ers that haven’t made any money but are waiting for all of these bells and whistles to kick in. Once you can show me a check with your name on it for a good amount of money, I’ll join otherwise shut up and stop saying all of this great stuff is coming- what a joke! If you want a good network marketing company try avon. Otherwise the only other advise I can offer is affiliate marketing through commission junction or other affiliate programs. work smarter not harder and defiantly not with a scam!
Comment by dubliscam | March 25th, 2009
Oh sorry forgot to place the link to all 33 of the “hot” itmems on the zero-bid/ LOL what a joke. Can you say brainwashed. Oh also if you reply to this please inculde how much you have made so far. I find it hard to believe anyone person has made any money. Here is the link to all 33 of the crappy items nobody wants: http://eu.dubli.com/index.php?cid=zero.show&catID=0&page=1&all=1
Comment by Woody | March 25th, 2009
The money comes by wire transfer, my first month I made about $500, that was October’08 since then it’s gone up and down anywhere from $500 to $1700 per month and it’s been a lot of fun.
Comment by dubliscam | March 25th, 2009
Woody, Who are your sources- Mr. Humphrey- yeah i am sure a man of this caliber is associated with this scam. $500-1700 a month? Really ehh?? Find it a little hard to believe. What is your affiliate id? How long have you been in the affiliate marketing industry?
Comment by Woody | March 25th, 2009
I never said I knew Mr. Humphrey I just know he’s involved, Why would i give you my id#, do you also want my password so you can log into my back office and see my earnings, and who’s asking you sign up anyway not me, if Dubli’s not for you so be it, that’s why we live in America. it’s not for everyone, just the smart people.
Comment by dubliscam | March 25th, 2009
America needs to rid itself of deceptive people who sell bullshit products and trick people into buying a business model that is anything less of the biggest scam on the planet. Have you ever owned a “real” business? Have you ever bought a product from Dulbi? If so which one? How much did you pay? Have you read the terms and conditions? Again you are brainwashed with what I call the “dream”. Do yourself a favor and take all of that money you are making from Dubli and go buy yourself a real education. lol
Comment by Woody | March 25th, 2009
Wow wee someone needs to get laid, I have purchased several items though Dubli, digital camera, $35.00, DVD player $15.00, Ipod Nano, $5.00, how is it a scam if I haven’t lost money, I pay $500.00 a month for a Home owner’s association for my condo and I still don’t know where that money goes, the I.R.S. is the greatest scam known to man ever. By the way only Homosexuals and teen girls use the term “LOL”.
Comment by Fox | March 26th, 2009
Woody, even if it is the truth, and you are making about $500 – 1500 per month, it is just from recruiting and recruiting naïve losers who are desperate for money. As you can see at http://eu.dubli.com/index.php?cid=zero.show&catID=0&page=1&all=1 there were only 3 successful auctions last month. Pathetic, Isn’t it ?
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
America ridding itself of me? perhaps they sould take all of us involved in Dubli to the middle east for some waterboarding, I think EVERYONE on this site is a little deceptive, I think that’s what blogging is, anonymous so guys like Beavis and 2smart can actually be brave because there’s no chance of ever coming face to face with anyone.
Comment by Gene | March 26th, 2009
Fox how many successful auctions do you have to have to know it’s a success? Please. I mean if it is completed it’s a success right? How many auctions would you like?
You know you can recommend something up for auction? What would you like to see? I’d like to see some tools there myself. Well at least the auctions are working aren’t they. Proof it’s not what the so called scamapedia pundants here claim. I’d like the prices go down faster. I do believe it will happen. So it’s not meeting your expectations. Too bad.
Point is we know they work. Right? Check my site and see what my kids got for a gift in the auctions. I tried it out and sure enough we got the product and good service to boot.
Comment by beavis | March 26th, 2009
Woody said:
“anonymous so guys like Beavis and 2smart can actually be brave because there’s no chance of ever coming face to face with anyone.”
Yes, I can sit here with impunity making fun of your ridiculous religious belief in a company that is so obviously selling you a bill of goods that only a card carrying moron would dump $3199 into it. The only frustrating part for me is that I know you will quietly disappear after the futile months of little or no income wears you down. I won’t get to say “I told you so” and see your pained face as you realize you were taken. I will have some condolence in the knowledge that your downline will know where to find you and I’m sure they will talking to you about the money they lost because of you recruiting them. Remember; five recruits who recruit five recruits who recruit five recruits, etc equals a lynch mob
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
Once again EVERYONE I’ve enrolled paid $800 total and every single one of them has made that money back and then some, so who have I scammed? I pay $500 a month for my condo’s HOA and I have no idea where that money goes, not to mention the I.R.S. who I gladly turn over 40% of my income every week.
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
Sorry my kids interrupted me, I would never lay down $3199 for Dubli, and I don’t think Dubli is God, I will never do Dubli full time I’m a elementary school teacher and so are most my friends, it’s simply a hobby, I don’t think Dubli is the next Ebay and I don’t think anyone is going to get rich quick with Dubli or actually get rich period with Dubli. Just for fun
Comment by dubliscam | March 26th, 2009
dubli is a scam. There is no doubt about it. Nothing you pro- Dubli, brainwashed idiots can say to convince me otherwise. I deal with real businesses not phony pieces of shit that try and take innocent peoples money. So Woody you might make some chump change here and there but the people you recruit are probably wasting their money because most of them do not even have a fundamental understanding of internet marketing. I hope it makes you feel good to waste $800 OF their money, and the dream of dubli being the next biggest thing is what fuels you conscience to move forward, I suggest you stick to Elementary school teaching and stay out of the business world.
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
Are you not reading my comments? Of course I’m sticking with teaching, and I don’t think Dubli is the next big thing. And I don’t think you’re a real business man, I think you work at Kentucky Fried Chicken as a shift manager and you need anger management or a lady friend. Gene your web site is awesome! i would love to learn how to build a site like that.
Comment by beavis | March 26th, 2009
Woody,
If dubliscam turns out to be a shift manager at Kentucky Fried Chicken, how come he figured out that this is a scam and you didn’t?I mean, come on; they’ve been pitching this stupid auction shtick since ‘03 or ‘04 and hardly anyone participates. You sign up new recruits, they hang out for a while and leave; that is the real business model. And Dubli corporate picks up a fat check for delivering a lame auction website (something that barely passes for a real product) and selling “credits”. I hate MLM’s but this is a joke of an operation. The next eBay? I think it’s more like the next “virtual golf”.
Comment by me | March 26th, 2009
Unfortunately Most people who post here simply do not understand the DubLi business model. I have been involved in DubLi for 2 months, part time, and in month 2 am thankful for the 5 figure check I am generating. I also know there are about a dozen people in my immediate group making 5 figures in their 1st month…Why?… we all understand the value based proposition to the customer… which is where the real money is made on the viral, and perpetual marketing to an amazing shopping portal about to open in the US. We have over 100,000 brands ready to go, are partnered with over 500 major stores, including Best Buy, Wal Mart, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Starbucks…obviously can’t list all. The customers will start and end all of their Shopping at DubLi because of the Value…Period. I have never been desperate to sell a license, and have only showed the site to a few people as a customer, and what is in it for them…(PsssT!)By the way, The Auctions, Shopping Portal, Shops, and Community are only 25% of the business model. Which you have not seen yet because we actually launch on April 4th 2009.
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
Beavis, Frankly I think you’re a scam, I think you might be involved in starting this blog and you just want people to keep blogging, I think you change your name and just keep on saying the sky is falling, and I don’t take it personally I think it’s actually a neat business, but come on dude, would you really be this emotionally invested in this site unless you had something to gain. This is actually my first experience with any kind of blog, and it’s a lot of fun, but it’s fun the way video games are fun, it’s just a great way to waste time, and guys like us can be bold and brave knowing in our heart we would never talk to someone like this in person, I don’t know you and you don’t know me, and that’s the way it will stay, so if you are involved GREAT! Keep up the good work, I’ll keep blogging,it’s free and there’s no way to get anyone pregnant.
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
By the way there is no such person named Woody, It’s Charlie Drayer here in Maui, I just used my wife’s E-mail address to log on. I haven’t figured out my next character yet, I think the next guy may be A Ninja with the CIA, Oh wait I already played that guy didn’t I?!
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
Maybe a coffee Millionaire? Damn, I’m fresh out of ideas.
Comment by beavis | March 26th, 2009
How about a mime?
Comment by beavis | March 26th, 2009
“me” said:
“(PsssT!)By the way, The Auctions, Shopping Portal, Shops, and Community are only 25% of the business model. Which you have not seen yet because we actually launch on April 4th 2009.”
I think Dubli should move it up three days.
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
How about a Mime. I have to say that’s a good one, all kidding aside.
Comment by Woody | March 26th, 2009
I will blog again Beavis and you will respond.
Comment by Gene | March 26th, 2009
Beav that’s a good one. LOL Certainly don’t want to
go an extra day and go out like a lion.
Comment by me | March 26th, 2009
Very entertaining guys…I can see why you are addicted.
After a hard days work (2 hrs) this is a good way to relax.
To go out like a lyin’ would be worse though…
Loins are the king of the jungle…
Comment by me | March 26th, 2009
for the serous entrepreneur looking for info…
The high rankings in the search engines are very profitable for the owners of this site, and now will be for you…
shoot am email: ecopure7 at yahoo.com (yes that is supposed to be a symbol) I will get you going in the fastest growing group in the business…
Comment by Lazbit | March 26th, 2009
For all of you Dubli Kool Aid drinkers that claim you’re pulling in 5 figure income each month, the only way that’s remotely possible is by signing up other people that you’ve duped in to thinking that somehow this business will work out. If you can take that money in good conscience and still feel proud, rather than ashamed… well, I guess the AIG guys that kept their bonuses found some way to rationalize that too.
I know you’re not making money from the auctions, because the volume has been and will continue to be pathetic. You’ve been up and running for _6 months_ for God’s sake. And this is all you can manage? Really?? Twitter, Facebook, and other sites that relied purely on word-of-mouth marketing (zero advertising) saw 600-1000% growth from launch in that time frame. They did that by offering something valuable that people wanted and told their friends about. People look at your site and say, “Is that it.. Really? And I’ve got to PAY just to see a price?.. Screw it, I’m just going to PriceGrabber.” And that’s why you’ve barely risen above 10% traffic growth in that time. Your current volume could scarcely pay one person five figures per month.
And _this_ is where you pin your hope for generating buzz and traffic to drive a later shopping portal site? Yeah, good luck with that.
The reality is, Dubli will fail in the US, just as it has in Denmark, Spain, and Germany. The founders and a few other parasites higher up in the pyramid will walk away and laugh, just as they did before. And they’ll start over again, probably in a non-English speaking country, touting their amazing success in the US, and looking for a new crop of suckers to fleece.
I’ll say one thing for MonaVie - at least the folks that got fooled into buying the juice have some nice looking bottles in their fridge. Instead of worthless virtual ‘credits’.
Comment by Charlie | March 26th, 2009
“ME” I like Dubli as much as the next guy but 5 figures for 5 or more people? 2 hour workdays? Come on dude.
Comment by me | March 27th, 2009
Of course Lazbit there is low volume…We have no customer base until the actual launch. There are only about 4500 licensees who have looked at a few auctions…when we release 30-40 million credits to the marketplace, that was always the plan. Join me on a webinar, and you will actually know what is going on, and avoid the mistake of missing the boat because of a few bad apples. And yes…I said 5 figures…those #’s above are true, no embarrassment there. But they pale in comparison to what is made on the customer phase, which is what this is all about after all. A lot of people do not share what they make because they get duped into bad opportunities.
Comment by Mark | March 27th, 2009
With now over 600 posts to this thread alone, it’s difficult to find the answers to a particular question, so maybe someone can tell me…
1…The name of their attorney, auditor, accounting firm or accountant? Who is doing their books/counting their money?
I only ask because I want to check and make sure it isn’t David Friehling (Bernie Madoff’s Accountant). Someone without a criminal record would be preferred.
2…Does one need to constantly wrangle in new clients every year in order to make money, or do I become a stock holder and rake in the bucks once I’m in and this thing takes off?
I’m wondering if this is going to be a flash fire like many MLM deals or if it’s going to be another google/youtube wildfire burning out of control with no end in site??
Thanks & Peace!
Mark-
Comment by dubliscam | March 27th, 2009
this is so fun. and woody i am glad you found out i was a Kentucky fried chicken manager- good research. I have actually worked all around the world as a consultant and have worked more places than you have visited. Lets see this summer i was in prague(nice place btw), paris, london, kona, and forte dei marmi to name a few. my business advisers have launched global Microsoft outsourcing in the 90’s (btw a 37 billion dollar sector) and now works under one of the richest men on the planet. I showed my adviser this and he just about wet his pants with laughter. He said (in his words) “don’t even think of wasting your time”
Comment by dubliscam | March 27th, 2009
mark…look at the track record and visit the site for yourself. http://us.dubli.com/ it has been up and running for years and nothing special has happened but hey join in on the fun w this blog. it is a good way to waste an extra 30 minutes a day
oh yeah check this site for the poor amount of traffic it really gets: http://www.alexa.com/
Comment by dubliscam | March 27th, 2009
ok, ok so i went and redeemed my 20 free credits from someone that is trying to get me to sign up. Ha, are you kidding- there is such a limited stock it is ridiculous. I can see how people will become addicted and piss their money away because they want bullshit products with the hope of being the lowest bidder. Now that i have actually tried it I can officially say: SCAM, SCAM, SCAM- that is it!
Comment by Gene | March 27th, 2009
Kentucky fried chicken manager,
Well I just better throw my credits in the air big guy. LOL
You found us out. Nothing to your liking. Well I can agree for the most part. Hope they get somethings that interest me up there. I have a lot of credits. Although I did get a nice electric scooter for my son. Looking forward for the shop/store to launch.
Comment by dubliscam | March 27th, 2009
Hey Gene, have you been on the site lately? Do you know about affiliate marketing online? Do you know anyone can resell costco, walmart, chanel, or any other product in the world on their own website. Apparently you have never heard of linkshare.com. you think the business model is so special. really it isn’t and the $3000 you spent could be made with you own proprietary site that dubli doesn’t brand. Hey I got an idea- why don’t you start a scooter store? If you need help finding a scooter manufacture that offers affiliate sales opportunities I can help you. Just let me know
Comment by Gene | March 27th, 2009
Hey maybe. I got this in my email. http://www.cactussky.com/esat/cincinnatimini/02/video.html
We do have this offered on the auction site. Nice car good mileage and it’s the convertible. I wonder what the price is at now. You know I could still take you up on your scooter offer and sell it in my marketplace with the company. I have thought of that already. Not the scooter but. LOL Someone did mention doba. That could work with this too very well. It can work with a lot of business. The thing is, is getting customers to your site. I think the auctions are a great way to do it no matter how you look at it.
Comment by me | March 27th, 2009
Mark,
In the short time I’ve known about DubLi, I have been repeatedly impressed by the way this company has anticipated needs and challenges, and taken action to prepare for them. That preparation includes making sure that everything the company does is legal and won’t be challenged in court. One second of common sense would suggest that if there were a risk of breaking ANY laws, a company that spent a fortune introducing a business to the USA probably had the foresight to pay attorneys to make sure they weren’t breaking any laws - which DubLi did, hiring Grimes & Reese (http://www.mlmlaw.com/), a top law firm, which is explained on page 18-19 of the latest DubLi magazine (PDF at http://www.yourdubliworld.com).
Besides hiring a top law firm, here are some other things to consider to make sure the DubLi business is solid and long-term:
Comment by me | March 27th, 2009
Dr. Charles King, Ph.D., Harvard-educated marketing professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC, listed under “King” and also in the Faculty Directory PDF at http://www.uic.edu/cba/Documents/Faculty_listing.pdf), who teaches network marketing to University students and is author of the book “The New Professionals,” has made an intense study of the network marketing industry, and he is the co-founder of “The DubLi Academy,” a training program where DubLi licensees learn how to build a successful business, free of charge. The back cover of his book describes him: “Charles W. King received his doctorate in business administration from Harvard and is currently a professor of marketing at the University of Illinois in Chicago. He is involved in extensive, ongoing research on network marketing and distributor operations.” If DubLi were unstable or a potential scam, Dr. King certainly would not have associated his name and reputation with the company. He’d lose all credibility if DubLi is deemed to be illegal.
Comment by beavis | March 27th, 2009
“me” said:
“a company that spent a fortune introducing a business to the USA ”
Don’t tell me, you believe they spent 80 million on software, too. As Bugs Bunny would say, “what a maroon”.
“me” also said:
“If DubLi were unstable or a potential scam, Dr. King certainly would not have associated his name and reputation with the company. He’d lose all credibility if DubLi is deemed to be illegal.”
You don’t know what Dr. King would do; you are guessing. A Harvard or any Ivy League diploma is no guarantee of ethics or good judgment. Look at Donald Trump pimping for ACN. Trump doesn’t love ACN; he loves their paycheck. You are just too gullible.
I take back the “gullible” comment. You’re comments are not those of an independent thinker, but they smell, no they wreak, of a Dubli corporate type. You’re trying to come off as one of the Kool Aide drinkers; you’re serving the Kool Aide, dude. Your comment:
“I have been repeatedly impressed by the way this company has anticipated needs and challenges, and taken action to prepare for them.”
No one but a suit would have phrased it that way. Now, Gene may be a Kool Aide drinker but at least he doesn’t lie about it. Even Charlie, who lies his ass off about his personal life, doesn’t lower himself to your level.
Comment by me | March 28th, 2009
The comment was obviously for people who were interested in unbiased facts…with which I have always made my business decisions.
Done very well by the way.
That is why I do not waste time on this site.
There are always people who you deal with in the populous who are pre-determined, and communicate from emotion driven points of view… steered by people who spark and feed the fire of misinformation.
Glad you came out of the woodwork Beavis.
I understand that you are simply a victim of this scenario.
Productive dialogue is the way to go…lets keep it that way
Comment by dubliscam | March 28th, 2009
when are there going to be more than 5 items in the zero auction?
Comment by me | March 28th, 2009
Interesting that my answer to question 611 was deleted…
Goes to show you where the actual spin is…
Comment by Charlie | March 28th, 2009
One thing i found a bit wacky when I signed up with Dubli in September for $800.00 right on my computer screen along with my associate I.D. # it said congratulations on joining Dubli enjoy your “one year membership” I haven’t really asked anyone about it but am to gather that in one year I’ll pay another $800 or whatever level you buy in at, does anyone know? Your right Beavis I have told some fibs on this site only because it’s so much fun, But I actually do live in Maui and I did buy my house with Life Insurance money and on Maui I’m known as a pretty stand up guy, but truth be told I’m bummed about dubli I signed up one person and I’ve felt guilty ever since, I thought I was in on the next big thing, but so far nothing of the sort, but in all fairness I haven’t tried to tell anyone about Dubli, I have friends in Vegas who say they are making money and swear by Dubli, but I haven’t seen a penny. MLM’s have never really worked on Maui, I still have hope but I’m very realistic, I was given 1100 dubli credits when I signed up as a business associate so I guess I I goy $880.00 worth of credits which I used to buy a Ipod and a Ipod player The Ipod cost $5.00 and the Player cost $1.00 but it took 1050 dubli credits to get that price so actually I paid about $800.00 for an Ipod Nano, don’t get me wrong I wish everyone luck with Dubli and I’m not trying to turn anyone away from Dubli but like I said I’m realistic, and I do agree there’s not much to buy on the auction site. I’ll miss the arguing and personal jabs but I figured it’s time to come clean, if anyone can help me with Dubli let me know how I’m all ears.
Comment by Gene | March 28th, 2009
Hey Beav didn’t bugs say , what’s up doc? I could ask you the same to you. I don’t believe in name dropping and I think the company can stand on it’s own as a great business model and I don’t drink kool aid but I do agree with me. LOL And it doesn’t go unnoticed how you attempt to slight me and again everyone can see it. It doesn’t show a lot of savvy there Beav.
I mean if you want to play with your doba with the company you can indeed do so in the marketplace. The company has made a way for us to get customers. If not, the auctions wouldn’t work at all. How many people do you think it takes to pay 25 cents to complete an auction? What do you do besides raise foolish talk on a simple blog? Are you drinking too much kool aid with the aspartame in it? Better watch out I think you might also have too much of the artificial coloring in it. Could be coloring your world. Oh Eagle are you making any money? Beav your going to be so disappointed. That’s if this economy doesn’t just fall apart I mean how they going to bail us out next year. Or are they even doing it now? It wouldn’t be the company’s fault then now would it? But if the economy holds together for a couple more years the company surly will prosper along with those who were smart enough to see the vision. Just look at these auctions, zero auction LG 26LG40 LCD if a person bid just once it’d take 2,276 bids or people. Nintendo DS Lite white 720 bids or people. Now with the xpress auction Apple TV 40GB Let’s see it would be 800 bids or people iPod nano- chromatic 16 GB 4G what is it 564 bids or people. Then the unique bid Sony Portable Digital E- Book and Toshiba R500- S5008X boy did they save a lot on that, what was it OK here $909 starting price and sold for $331.50
Not including the unique there were a potential of 22,360 bids or people. Now this is just scratching the surface a fraction of what’s coming. Granted there isn’t a lot of action but there is action and it’s not a scam. People are getting good deals and you have to understand there’s got to be a lot of customers waiting in the wings who aren’t bidding but there there.
Comment by Charlie | March 28th, 2009
What’s up Gene? I checked out your site and it looks awesome, your sons look healthy and happy you should be proud of yourself, Did you get my question about the one year membership? Do you know what that is, I’m curious does that mean I’ll pay another $800 in September? I got a bunch of E-Mails from people who saw my comments on this site and they swear by Dubli even willing to show commissions and earnings, I am still interested It’s just that I’m 3000 miles away from anyone who knows anything about Dubli.
Comment by Gene | March 28th, 2009
Charlie,
Go to my site and listen to 11-06-08 Dean Mannheimer this may help you. Don’t listen to the scamapedia here. It’s going to take some work. When the customer base grows, as it will, it’s going to be crazy if things work as planned. Do something with what ya have.
Have you asked your upline for help? Email me if you like. Oh yes if you came in at 800 you will have to buy another package of credits but by then you can sell what you have and you will want more. It’s what you have for advertising.
Look if you started an online store you’d have to find a way to get customers. That’s not an easy task believe me. But with the auctions it makes it a whole lot easier. Especially when your customers start bringing in more customers after April. Just start working on your customer base and go to the webinars for a bit. Invite your people in the back office to the auctions. I think me posted a link with a list of webinars and there is one you can get on tomorrow.
Oh and if any out there are just happening across this blog let me or Charlie help you get started. It’s going to be big. But then again it may not. That’s what you do when you start a business. You never know but I do think the concept is great.
Comment by Charlie | March 28th, 2009
Thanks Gene, I’m actually getting a little excitement back, I think “Me” sent me an E-mail he may actually come to Maui and hold a couple of meetings. Thanks again.
Comment by Gene | March 28th, 2009
Charlie,
YW!
Go to your network site and check the meeting calendar.
You will want to check for Dean’s National call. I think
it’s a 15 min call. On Monday.
Comment by Gene | March 28th, 2009
Hey maybe we can make this blog a q&a for the company! LOL
Comment by Gene | March 28th, 2009
Hey me what was your 611 question. Email me. Just curious.
Comment by beavis | March 28th, 2009
Gene,
I listened to Dean Mannheimer’s webinar on your site and I’m excited, too. He talked about “exponential growth” and all sorts of neat stuff. The Titanic is truly unsinkable!
Comment by me | March 28th, 2009
Just helping Charlie Gene, as you are.
I love your idea about this blog being a Q & A for DubLi!
There are too many people who just do not know the business model. Our immediate group grew to 1000 people in 3 months because of some awesome people who do.
Yes Dean is great…it is all there… in addition you can plug into some awesome group webinars on our site: http://www.YourDubliWorld.com... tools, training, etc.
Comment by me | March 28th, 2009
3 steps to exponential growth…
1) use the “what to say script” on smartwinshop.com
2) invite to a webinar…ONLY if they ask..if not they get free credits and become a customer
3) follow-up (they will need to see several webinars, and see a more advanced webinar perhaps by Tom Ashlock for example
Do not be needy… keep it simple
cheers…
Comment by Charlie | March 28th, 2009
Actually my upline is great about letting me know about all the national calls and webinars, I’ve just been ignoring them up until now, but I think I’m going to start exploring again, I mean why not? You guys should think about putting together a blog that’s a little more pro dubli. Do you know of one? A blog where you could get some real information and not all the bickering and sarcasm, like I said I’m new to blogging, I’ve decided as a personal rule, I won’t say anything on this site that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face. I read my previous comments and I cringe.
Comment by Vince | March 28th, 2009
I understand where everyone is coming from on here. What I dont understand is, why after spending a hour on this site its all the same guys on here yapping and yapping away. Like I said I understand what everyone is saying but, honestly I feel like im sitting in a mens rest stop reading the crap in the stall… I believe dubli will do great things in the US. The business model looks like a winner to me, but who am I just a lil speck… I like what I see with dubli and believe when this things hits its gonna be as sweet to me as a walk off grand slam at the world series… Hearing We are the Champions in the background… I just believe in the American story and this will be one…. Im not looking for a battle on here just had to say my peace of mind after a hour of yap, yap,yap….
Comment by beavis | March 28th, 2009
gag me
Comment by beavis | March 28th, 2009
I wrote a new song. It goes exactly like the “Lumberjack Song” except you insert “Dublidiot”! You have to say “Dublidiot” quickly, though, because it has four syllables.
Comment by Gene | March 28th, 2009
I thought of a blog. I’ll think more on that.
Comment by Charlie | March 28th, 2009
Vince, Yapping is what a blog is for, if there was audio I would sing you a song, maybe the lumberjack song (big monty python fan) but it’s just a silly little blog, and what the hell is wrong with yapping anyway? I’m a Dubliidiot and I’m O.K.
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
charlie,
pull my finger
Comment by eaglescout | March 29th, 2009
To “me”,
I haven’t deleted any of your comments. Maybe you forgot to click the submit button?
I may not like what you have to say, but I rarely delete comments. I deleted one comment by t. proia a long time ago and I edited one of dream team’s.
Comment by me | March 29th, 2009
Eaglescout…thanx.
I do appreciate that. Hmmm…I just submitted another comment and it reverted back to the google search page, definitely something on my end, had to trick it with a new tab.
Comment by Charlie | March 29th, 2009
Beavis, I doubt I’d have to pull your finger to get hot air out of you.
Comment by newbie | March 29th, 2009
All,
Just want to say I have research this through multiple channels including the FBI… There has been no complaints against this organization. It is a MLM model but has many options for the customer. Auctions are only one piece, 700 store shopping experience to start april 5, online gaming (video games) site, personal space. The national conference is in Arizona next week. For a so called scam it sure has a lot of backing!!! Look at jordinsparkscharities.com. She made 5000 for the needy in dec alone…
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
newbie,
That’s great; a “700 store shopping experience to start april 5, online gaming (video games) site, personal space” put together by a company that can’t drive traffic to their existing site. How do I get on board?
And Jordan Sparks! Wow, if a 19 year old singer is involved that is an iron clad endorsement. That’s as good as T. Boone Pickens calling it!
Are you guys questioning anything they tell you? Dubli’s track record shows a consistent pattern of failure to drive traffic. And we certainly need another shopping portal; how original. Online gaming? Who’s the coding team or are they just acting as a portal (once again, the guys that can’t drive traffic doing a portal, please). Personal Space? Who’s coding it and what is the draw? And don’t tell me the auction traffic will build these as the auction traffic can’t even build itself.
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
I take it all back. I found out how Dubli is going to gain worldwide attention. In 2010 they are planning a joint moon mission with an unnamed former member of the USSR (rhymes with “Prussia”). They will also be the only portal for all Chinese exports. And the Euro will be be replaced by Dubli credits in the same year along with the yen (the tremendous Dubli success in Germany has already made the Deuchmark obsolete). And the new shopping portal will be a bigger success than eBay and Google combined. Please buy your credits now or you will miss out!
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
And I forgot; Jordan Sparks is writing all of the software for the online gaming and video site!
Comment by me | March 29th, 2009
“beavis”
How do you know they do not drive traffic to their site? I will educate you kindly…
Here is an answer to a statement I read earlier…
“DubLi doesn’t even register when you compare traffic analysis.”
That’s true, but the claim is made out-of-context because the analysis comes from public web metrics companies (like Google or Alexa) who don’t measure traffic that comes through “personal home pages.” Most DubLi customers visit dubli.com via a Business Associate’s individual website link (i.e., dubli.com/xxxxxxx). By their own admission, most web metrics companies do not count what they classify as “personal home pages,” which are treated separately if they can be automatically identified as such from the URLs in question, which is the case with any Business Associate’s dubli.com/xxxxxxx link.
Not to mention the fact that in the US we WILL not drive traffic to the site until April 4th… Just as planned.
Glad to help.
Comment by Gene | March 29th, 2009
Hey Beav what’s up Doc. You lose already but you keep gasping for air. That’s OK you need some kind of hope.
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
“me”
So what you are telling me is the low site traffic measurements are actually higher. OK I’ll let you have that as it just makes the dismally poor auction traffic, which is published on Dubli’s site, all the more pathetic. And you’re playing games with the April marketing launch routine as Dubli announced the launch to be initially scheduled for September 28th, 2008 (I believe it was delayed a few days) with no mention that the company was not making an effort to push the site. That date has come and gone with precious little to show for it. As the months ticked by and traffic failed to appear, the company then came up with the excuse that it really wasn’t pushing it because of the shopping portal. What is the next excuse going to be? Oh, and why is the European site sucking so bad? You know, the European site with the “success” that Dubli US is based upon? You guys get confronted with all of these facts and all you ever respond with is fluff and unsupported projections. It will all come next month and when mext month comes and goes another “launch” date will appear. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
“Hi” Gene!
Comment by Charlie | March 29th, 2009
Beavis, have you given any thought to what you’re going to do just incase Dubli becomes something great? You’re the most outspoken person on this site, I’ve been on the phone all day getting re-acquainted with Dubli and this thing is real and it’s not going away any time soon, so what about you? You mentioned in comment 581 about quietly disappearing.
Comment by Gene | March 29th, 2009
Good for you Charlie.
Comment by beavis | March 29th, 2009
Charlie,
No, I’m realizing that you and Gene are going to disappear after reality sinks in and then I’ll be bored. “Me” will continue because he is a company suit (read that as not dependent on earning money like you two are attempting). Unfortunately arguing with him is like arguing with a company brochure. The good news is there will be others; all waiting for the next launch in (insert date here) that will propel Dubli into the stratosphere.
and Charlie, yes I did say I was taking a break. I lied
Comment by Insidious | March 30th, 2009
I look forward to the DubLi / Russia joint mission to the moon in 2010. I hear Jordan Sparks will be an honorary member of the crew.
Comment by Gene | March 30th, 2009
Yes, be sure to check for the rockets on the auction site. Oh and make sure you get your moon boots.
Comment by beavis | March 30th, 2009
Insidious,
The first Dubli mission to the moon will also include company issued fembots (like the corporate parrot “Me”). It should launch soon as it is being financed by the hugely successful Dubli auction site in Europe.
gene,
Go ahead and head on out for the moon. Dubli can deliver your moon boots from their robot operated distribution center there (secretly launched two years ago but will become well known after the April 4th viral marketing campaign).
Comment by Gene | March 30th, 2009
OK so
Comment by beavis | March 30th, 2009
ummm, your still here, Gene. Off to the moon with you. Shoo!
Comment by Gene | March 30th, 2009
Oh Oh
Comment by beavis | March 31st, 2009
Hey, I was at dublinetwork.com and the buildings they are showing in the US don’t match up with Google Earth; neither does the Denmark location. The US location is especially lower brow than the pictures they substituted in. Pretty cheesy.
Comment by Gene | March 31st, 2009
Oh spin more
Comment by beavis | March 31st, 2009
You definitely wouldn’t mistake their headquarters for class a office space, that’s for sure. The downstairs units have loading docks
Comment by Gene | March 31st, 2009
You don’t say
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | March 31st, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9CqnJHxaqY&feature=related
Here you go Charlie! Soon you can have the success of Jonathan Bud (lasers and smoke machines… drumroll) and…
you and Gene are retards… I guess that’s where I’m going with that….
“Hey Beav what’s up Doc. You lose already but you keep gasping for air. That’s OK you need some kind of hope.”
How ironic, Gene, that you think Beav needs hope of some kind. We stand only to gain great personal satisfaction from your fast approaching failure. You stand to lose your investment, AND the respect of everyone you CONNED into becoming involved.
Good Idea Me, in regards to going to Maui to hold some conference with Charlie. Charlie is just as likely to be living in Toronto as anywhere else he may have pretended he lives. I’m sure that the value of the plane ticket will be insignificant when you weigh it against the benefit of all the new associates you could gather, and the incredibly gay hand job that Charlie would give you, had he actually lived there.
I am soooo excited about the big viral launch. Gene will you PLEASE come on here and acknowledge how ignorant (and easily manipulated) you have been? Not likely right, you will be on the phone all week apologizing to “Mom” and your siblings. Maybe not. Maybe it will just be another notch on the old failure belt for you two morons.
Stop involving people in your crap. At least Charlie has the sense to cease recruiting more people.
Gene is so gullable this is probably one on a long list of embarrassment and disgrace. April 4th boys. And don’t try to blame it on the economy. Last time I checked online gamblers weren’t the investing types anyhow…. LOL
Comment by beavis | March 31st, 2009
2smart4dubli,
As bad as that video was, I do think he knows his audience. Give them a vision of being in the Sun (no matter how unsteady the camera work is), gloss over the financials, babble about “self love” as if he were some kind of a prophet and direct them to his site; mission accomplished.
Comment by beavis | March 31st, 2009
OK, I’m going after the ACN dickwads. At least they have some reason to cling to their beliefs. I know, the product has a super limited market and Donald “The Media Whore” Trump adds zero credibility but it is a ton more than what these Dubli believers have got. I mean, the company “launched” in 2003 and has nothing to show for it except an auction website that no one seems interested in and this ridiculous idea that the unsuccessful auction site will drive people to a shopping portal. It’s just too stupid for words. Their offices are bargain basement, the claims of “future” success are so stratospheric that anyone who actually takes them seriously is either desperate or has reached a level of gullibility that only a cold blooded sociopath could truly appreciate (oh, wait, that’s Dubli corporate). Don’t worry, I’ll be back. It’s just that beating on Dublidiots is becoming less and less of a challenge. I mean really, how long can you keep waiting or the next “launch” to suddenly drive Dubli to the heights that Dubli corporate keeps talking about (and, oh, do they talk; very little action; lot’s of talk). I’m not even going to wait for the April 4th “launch”. It will be a non-event except you will here more Dubli feel good rhetoric. It is time the Genes of the world realize that their is no get rich quick scheme that involves little work for insanely high rewards. Google and Microsoft were brilliant in what they did; their products impacted the world. Dubli hasn’t got that talent; not even close. Just a bunch of confidence men that could probably have played themselves in Glen Garry Glen Ross.
Comment by Jeff | April 1st, 2009
I am not affiliated with DubLi, although I am considering it. This site has provided some interesting, and some not-so-interesting, information. However, what I find most troubling is the constant bashing of DubLi’s goal of becoming the next eBay. Would you have also criticized Wal-Mart when it aimed to outdo Kmart? Or how about Microsoft when it went up against Apple? Best Buy vs. Circuit City? And my favorite: how about two 20-something grad students at Stanford who said they were going to beat out Yahoo?
I am not saying that DubLi will be the next eBay, frankly the odds are against it, but to claim that proof of this is the current 99.7% to 0.3% market share is absurd; at one time Yahoo had 99.7% to 0.3% market share over Google.
Comment by Robbie | April 2nd, 2009
Hello Jeff ‘The Next Sockpuppet.’ For anyone following this discussion, formulaic pseudo-comments like yours are easy to see through and actually strengthen my belief that Dubli has nothing to say and their only agenda is to rip a few poor souls off.
Thanks for your contribution.
Comment by undercoverbeavis | April 2nd, 2009
I’m thinking of becoming a Dublidiot, too. It looks like a great way to make money with this can’t miss concept. Go Dubli!
Comment by Lazbit | April 3rd, 2009
Only one more day till the “Launch”. Can’t wait to see Dubli finally take off. Given the insane success of their efforts in Spain and Germany (cough), I’m sure traffic will be off the charts.
Bit of an odd day to put out a new product tho… should have really consulted with a PR or marketing expert on that. No media coverage until Monday at the earliest. The only people I know that launch things on late Friday afternoons or Saturdays are politicians that hope nobody notices some crappy bill they sneaked in. But I’m sure the success will be so resounding, it won’t matter.
Comment by undercoverbeavis | April 3rd, 2009
Less than an hour till launch day. I’m all atwitter! This is going to be huge, just like a BBW porn flick!
Comment by Ryan | April 4th, 2009
happy dubli day everyone!
i guess i gotta admit, now that it’s launched, it’s a wholllle new animal!
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | April 4th, 2009
Congratulations Gene
4 Successful auctions so far today. Great launch!
Comment by Lazbit | April 4th, 2009
Let’s see, it’s 7pm and they’re up to.. what’s this?? 8! That’s 2 more completed auctions than yesterday! Ka-ching! I sure was wrong about Dubli. New launch = glorious success. I can hear the wails of fear and terror from eBay’s headquarters in San Jose all the way back here in Texas.
On a darker note, the latest issue of Wired magazine seems to be giving away Dubli’s business plan:
http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/17-04/st_howto
Comment by beavis | April 4th, 2009
hmmm. . . nothing happened. . . no viral campaign. . . no press releases. . . no Goodyear blimp with Dubli lit up on the side of it. I guess they LIED! Well, I guess all those who signed up are just screwed. Oh, the humanity.
Can you make phone calls with Dubli tokens? Gene has to call a few people.
Comment by beavis | April 4th, 2009
The party’s over
It’s time to call it a day
They’ve burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It’s time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid
The party’s over
The candles flicker and dim
You danced and dreamed through the night
It seemed to be right just being with him
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end
Take off your makeup, the party’s over
It’s all over, my friend
The party’s over
It’s time to call it a day
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end
Take off your makeup, the party’s over
It’s all over, my friend
It’s all over, my friend
Comment by beavis | April 4th, 2009
“You do not want to delay on this! On April 4, 2009, customers and team members will be given free tokens. Dubli is giving out 7 Million tokens and you can not get any, if you are not a customer or team member. So you need to get going today! ”
bullshit
and double bullshit
Comment by Charlie | April 4th, 2009
Beavis who the hell are you talking to? Out of the last 15 comments 10 are yours, now it’s just become sad brother.
Comment by Ryan | April 4th, 2009
this is because the dublidiots are strangely silent…? off enjoying their millions, i suppose.
Comment by beavis | April 4th, 2009
Lashing out, are we, Charlie? Wasn’t this whole “launch” day a real kick in the nuts? I mean, even the most fervent Dublidiot would have to see that they have just been had. I would hate to say “I told you so”, but, honestly, I wouldn’t hate it all. In fact, “I told you so, m o r o n”!
Comment by beavis | April 4th, 2009
I think we need to seriously start to consider sterilization for the Dublidiots so that they don’t reproduce.
Comment by Charlie | April 5th, 2009
I have to stick to my rule about saying something on this blog that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face, Beavis I’ve told you I could care a less about Dubli, it’s a hobby at best, you talk like I invested my life savings in this thing, and face it Beavis you would Never call me a moron to my face, you’re a coward, you should at least phone me on a unrestricted number and I’ll bet you would sing a different tune, Charlie Drayer (808)264-7114 I’ll hold my breath coward.
Comment by Charlie | April 5th, 2009
The only ones who should have been sterile were your parents.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | April 5th, 2009
Guys don’t you know? They were so quiet yesterday because they were all at the Jordin Sparks concert. There was popcorn and singing and dancing, and while they were there, they achieved financial freedom. HAHAHAHAHA I wonder where Gene has been? Telling people about his sons scooter again no doubt, or more likely in small claims court with his wife dividing up their Dubli credits and equity in their third mortgage. Charlie you’re a moron, and now your phone # will be submitted to every telemarketer I can get it to, to punish your ignorance. Good thing you have your pretend coffee investments to fall back on.
Comment by 2smart4Dubli | April 5th, 2009
I would just like to point out that the auctions continue to be so ghetto that one of the successful auctions, for an “iMac 20″ yesterday, had the clip art for a Mac mini. Questionable at BEST…. LOL.
http://us.dubli.com/Apple-iMac-20-inch__5e_1193
OH YEAH!? Where is the shopping portal? I don’t see it anywhere… and what were the marketing “millions” for, more Dubli propaganda online? Oh no! They didn’t lie t you did they Gene? Maybe they meant they were using Dubli credits for the marketing campaign, so they were only getting $0.25 on the dollar? What a transparent joke you clowns have become. Good work on still being here to make my day though.
Comment by beavis | April 5th, 2009
charlie,
oh, never mind.
Comment by beavis | April 5th, 2009
On second thought Charlie, you need to hear this. We all tried to warn you and get you to not pursue this and to not recruit friends and family into this. You are the one that started the rude insults and just because you got some back don’t expect sympathy from anyone. I’m sorry you lost money on this “investment” to the scum, but don’t direct your anger at us; direct it at the scammers who took your money.
Gene,
You need to get this handled with the people you recruited. Honesty quickly delivered will limit your damage (take it from an ex-stock broker; not all of my calls were winners either). Continued denial and hoping Dubli pulls a rabbit out of its ass is not a good strategy.
“Me”
Hope you go to prison.
Comment by beavis | April 5th, 2009
2smart4dubli,
You want a real laugh? Here is a release about “Dubli - the US Kickoff Tour”. It’s about the successful launch of Dubli US. . . in October of 2008. At least they had some people in the audience, though I’ve learned to never believe the numbers that Dubli releases (I’m not sure but I believe they lie. . . just a little bit).
http://blog.dublitrading.com/#home
you have to scroll to the middle of the page.
And in the category of “where is our money now”, I just discovered that Dubli not only has operations in the offshore banking haven of Dubai, but has a “holding company” in the offshore banking haven of Cyprus. It is also well known that its US corporation is set up in Delaware which has some of the most opaque disclosure laws in the US (along with Nevada). I have to give them credit for proper layering of their corporate structures. I don’t see a chance of getting any money our of them in US courts or any court, for that matter. Well, I guess they will now either call it a day and join their money on the beaches or set a new date for a “launch” if they feel they can get away with it. They got stones so it wouldn’t surprise me if they try it again (”wash, rinse, repeat”.
Comment by Charlie | April 5th, 2009
Beavis, I still want to meet you, face to face, This is not a threat, but I will honestly pay for you to come to Maui, if you want to call Bullshit on this Please Do. But if you call me I’ll pay for everything (808) 264-7114, It’s Sunday and I just finished a round of Golf and then a round of drinks with my “friends” who will reamain nameless. Please come to Maui, phone lines are open!
Comment by beavis | April 5th, 2009
To what end? What are you trying to accomplish, Charlie? I think for those involved its over. Granted Dubli will probably continue on and recruit some new vics, but I don’t think you are in denial that Dubli didn’t come through this weekend. Gene has taken a powder, obviously. Move on, stay away from MLMs.
Comment by beavis | April 7th, 2009
Gee, it’s lonely around here. 2smart4dubli, you got a deck of cards? I think they all left.
Comment by eaglescout | April 8th, 2009
You are right. DubLi is going to wither so slowly that we’ll never get to tell Gene, Charlie, and others that they were fooled by DreamTeam and “me”.
Or, maybe they’ll launch again “for the first time” in October 2009, and we can all have a get-together and reminisce.
Deja-vu?
Comment by millions | April 8th, 2009
DubLi is going to make me millions.
Comment by eaglescout | April 8th, 2009
You must be Michael Brudevold Hansen.
Comment by millions | April 8th, 2009
Haha, you’re funny eaglescout. I laughed when I read your response. So what inspired you to start this academic journal? How did you even hear about DubLi and why do you know about all these facts? You must have been an insider, right? I have no affiliation with DubLi but I know people who signed up for it by the way. I’m not saying it’s not a scam and I’m not saying it is. I’m just curious about your motivations. What is inspiring you to warn people about the evils of DubLi? What’s in it for you? Have you done any other network marketing? I got burned by Burnlounge which turned out to be determined illegal. Thanks eaglescout.
Comment by Mikael | April 8th, 2009
Eaglescout probably looked for an MLM opportunity that would make him money..and came across this gem of an opportunity. Only to find out that it is a true scam!!
I’ve known successful Monavie Blue Diamonds who also fell for this scam. I met Josh Delaney who swore this would be the biggest thing. He doesn’t say much about it now.
Thanks for the updates eaglescouts. It just goes to show you that bubbly advertisement and lies go hand and hand with Dubli!!
Comment by beavis | April 9th, 2009
Every MLM I’ve ever had to endure listening to has been a waste of time. This one just really, really sucked. What I can’t believe is none of these fools bothered to look at the traffic from the European site (supposedly the successful basis of the US “launch”). They just went with with every unsubstantiated claim made by the company and went happily along like they were an integral part of a big business that was going to make them all rich. And when it was pointed out that the facts were otherwise, they still remained in denial. Only when the lies and unfulfilled promises became so blatant that an elementary school kid called have called bullshit did the dim bulbs start to flicker. What is it with people? Is greed that blinding?
Comment by BeautifulDay | April 9th, 2009
Most of these people look to make a quick buck even after hearing over and over “if it’s too good to be true, it probably is.”
Wow! Presented the facts and logic why this is a scam, the Dubli dolts were still dumping a bad product and a definite loss! Sounds familiar these days?
And then the pretentious Dublians tried to tell the rest of us ‘idiots’ that we were missing out in the gold pot, endless boating, 72 holes of golf, and W-2 freedom!! “Don’t be such a Haterz!” LOL
Comment by beavis | April 9th, 2009
Let’s see, invest $3199 and within 6 months be earning that per week with minimal effort after which the income grows exponentially with little or no effort on my part; why would that seem too good to be true? All of this based on Dubli supplied “statistics” that showed viral growth from the customers themselves that would increase auction traffic exponentially. But wait, there was no viral growth; the successful auction statics (one of the few verifiable stats available) demonstrated that customers were not growing the system which is what the plan hinged on. Even if there were only a handful of users (which that appears to be the case) if the claim were true the viral growth would have occurred without the make believe national campaign; yet there was no growth. The auction traffic remains stagnant indicating that the product is not desired by the public. Without a desirable product that leaves (drum roll) a pyramid. The moral of the story; if you couldn’t see this pattern you should probably avoid “owning your own business” as most business management requires this rudimentary level of analytical capability and a willingness to do due diligence. Dubli associates fail this test or at least loose this capability when their greed button is pushed. Final recommendation; get a job.
Comment by questions | April 9th, 2009
I have been approached by a couple of individuals in Dubli, and have heard various positives regarding the business from them - however biased. They expressed to me that Dubli stock is available to business partners that join, and that the stock is available only to business partners at this point.
A couple of the guys that I know personally who are involved in this have shown me that they are making legitimate income on a regular basis. I was curious to know if you guys who have done research on the company have any insights into the stock that is available currently to business partners, as well as any information on how these guys could be making such good money if the website has so little trafic as you’ve mentioned?
I know the argument has been stated above that the money is made off of “scamming” other people into signing up, but the majority of the money these guys have made is from customers who are using the auction site, as they have very few “business partners” they have signed up.
I am considering Dubli, although I do have many reservations about it currently, but I wanted more information.
I would appreciate a serious reply, not a sarcastic and judgmental reply…I understand that pretty much everyone commenting on Dubli is biased against it on this site, but that is why I am asking you for information…I want to know the good and the bad.
Thanks.
Comment by beavis | April 9th, 2009
The stock is not traded on any board so it is highly illiquid. You have no idea, and I mean no idea, what you are buying into because the company is privately held and doesn’t release financials. How can you make an informed decision on investing in an equity position in a company when you are deprived of the financials? You can’t. Investing in Dubli would be a gamble at that point. And why would you give money over for an investment that will untrackable for years to Offshore Investment Brokers, the company handling the investment end for Dubli, whose primary business is setting up offshore bank accounts; the type of accounts that are most typically used for tax evasion and hiding assets?
As far as “the guys” you know claim of success that is based on auction traffic; tell them to open their books. In fact, without audited financials, you have nothing to safely base a decision on as financials can be doctored. Without an independant audit or your own personal participation in the high level decisions at Dubli, you are flying blind. The problem with Dubli is the only verifiable stats are the auction traffic numbers and the highly questionable figures the company throws around; most of which are speculative.
Try looking at it this way; if you were managing someone else’s money, would you feel comfortable explaining to them why you put their money in Dubli considering all of this lack of disclosure and accountability? Then, based on that answer, treat your own money the same way.
Comment by L. | April 10th, 2009
Well all I can say is lots of promises… I bought a gold thinking that dubli was gonna launch a week ago, promises. I was very intersted in the fact this this was a consumer driven business,promises, not get everyone you know involved type of business. I was sold by the “cinch” program which never happened, promises, than the shopping portal, never happened, more promises, now I get a email not even a month into Dubli telling me I only have 127 days left on my membership. Come on, that screams bullshit, so there not even giving you 365 days like they stated that gives me a few months to make money thanks Dubli. Wow, people I consider myself a smart man. Come to find out im a fool who spent 3200 bucks… Im so glad I didnt get a team together… I still have multiple people a day calling me about Dubli to get involved and my answer is when I make money we all will make money.. And honestly im thinking thats all Dubli wants is newcomers who want “in” on the next dream get all excited tell all there friends to sign up, and for what the same webinar everynight that gets old… Ladys and gents fool me once shame on me… Dont be foolish, Dubli is hype, I fell into it…. I hope this helps, I really, really, really, thought this was the next big money maker..
Comment by Gene | April 10th, 2009
Hey just look at all my posts here and it will set you straight about the company. They had to change some things with the powers that be once we came off the European model this April. Unforeseen I expect. Throws a wrench in the works. These jokers just run a hostage site here and hope to try, I say to try, to capitalize on their foul efforts to deceive or bad mouth about a great company. I got the same 127 day email. Don’t sweat it. Must have been a mistake. I’ve been in since September. I came in at gold too. Your website tells you right there how many days you have. They here also try to purport it’s easy money for doing little to nothing and that just isn’t true. What does one think it takes to set up an online store? We’re still rolling out and yes it may take 18 months for things really to start popping. The cinch is coming the end of the month or the first of May. So is the shop. All plans don’t always work right the first time. They’re going to say yeah but you launched in October and again in April well they have no clue on what it takes to get this Internet business going. Be patient. The website is still in beta. It takes some work to build this business. Especially with these fine folk LOL who are trying to tear it down. Oh and you will find they like to bad mouth me too. But who cares. Basically we have a shopping mall which isn’t even up yet so you’re at a very good time to be in. That’s where your profits are going to be as long as you acquire customers. No customers no business. I think that’s usually how it works in business. Now if the shop doesn’t come up you better run. You see as we grow the auctions will attract new customers. It might be slow now but it won’t be. More products will be coming on the auctions. The best prices you can buy on the Internet will be seen in the shopping mall. Make sure to check once it comes on. But don’t wait and see. Get started. Don’t be duped by these guys.
Comment by Fox | April 10th, 2009
I respect L. for admitting his mistake and for warning others about Dubli. I hope there won’t be any more new victims.
As Gene said, Dubli “…. going to say yeah but you launched in October and again in April well they have no clue on what it takes to get this Internet business going. Be patient.” Ha ha ha! It is obvious now that Dubli really have NO ClLUE on what it takes to get this Internet business GOING. But they know for sure how to make a moneymaker for them.
Comment by beavis | April 10th, 2009
L,
I think I can speak on behalf of all of the Dubli critics here and say that we are sorry they took advantage of your trust. Speaking for myself, I once wasted time and money in another MLM, so treat it as a learning experience. You did the right thing coming forward.
Gene,
I’d like to talk to you about this badger farm idea I have.Most homes are currently badgerless so the market is wide open!
Comment by beavis | April 10th, 2009
Oh, and Gene,
“We’re still rolling out and yes it may take 18 months for things really to start popping.”
You get to renew before the “breakout”. That badger farm is calling your name.
Comment by Ryan | April 11th, 2009
i think most of these guys (minus Gene) could build a shopping website in less than a day. especially when you don’t warehouse your own products. even if i couldn’t program it myself, i could have it done for less than 1500 dollars.
i personally know a couple of dublidiots, and one thing that characterizes them is a fundemental lack of computer literacy. they tell me that eCommerce will be “the next big thing.” that’s very astute, if you are living in 1988.
it takes NO time to get a website off the ground. no money either. perhaps the “european business model” is what’s so effed up about it. retard.
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
Ryan,
Quit calling my future badger farm partner a retard.
Gene,
I’ve got another great idea; a sideways auction. The more you bid the more the price doesn’t change! Think how many tokens we can sell!
Comment by me | April 11th, 2009
hmmm…while you guys were delving into this whirlpool of misinformation… I’ve jumped to almost 100 business associates on a couple of months, and can’t wait till next month.
I am very glad I went to Scottsdale…I have never seen something that has so much value to the end line consumer… they will love it. Why pay more? Most will agree, less is where it is at. You can pay whatever you want for the things you need to buy… you have that right. I will have hundreds of thousands of customers that I get paid on who simply love it…it is imminent.
Psst… the average family who shops the DubLi portal will not only save a lot of money… they will have Cold hard cash transferred to a debit card… 30, 50, 100 bucks a month.
Do your normal every day shopping..
Go to ATM…
get cash…
do it again…
No brainer in my book.
1) Look at the facts (not the stuff on this site).
2) Jump in..
3) Reap the rewards!
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
My badger farm is a better.
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
Oh, I had a typo. I meant to say “my badger farm is a better investment”.
Big badgers mean big profits and with my special Big Badger Growth Hormone (to be released next month) profits will soar!
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
here is the future:
http://www.wlra.us/wl/wlbadger.jpg
Comment by me | April 11th, 2009
“l.”
They told everyone to ignore the occasional strange messages that are generated as they switch servers to the US and continue the “Beta Testing Stage”.
Turn on “recieve company updates” in your profile
regards…
Comment by Gene | April 11th, 2009
Oh hit me boys hit me I can take it. Oh Gene this Gene that you just love my name don’t you? Badger this and badger that lolololol What a stupid site. Hold us hostage now will ya HaHa
Comment by Charlie | April 11th, 2009
How do I get in on the Badger Farm?
Comment by Gene | April 11th, 2009
Hey me why not tell us a little about the convention? Let’s just pirate this blog.
Comment by Gene | April 11th, 2009
That badger guy must live in Wisconsin.
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
Charlie,
This is a home based business. First you have to buy a couple of badgers - male and female (works best). When they get in the mood (I recommend soft lighting and a little Isaac Hayes) you put a little of my Big Badger Growth Hormone in the wine and let nature take its course. Please let me know when you have your badgers and you think they’re ready (hand holding and riding a bicycle made for two in the rain is a good sign).
Gene,
Do you really believe in Dubli after the non-launch on the 4th or are you screwing with us? I’m mean, come on, you can’t be that gullible.
“me”:
Almost 100 recruits? Wow. A few more and you’ll reach “Racketeer” level.
Comment by Gene | April 11th, 2009
Yes beav I do. What about you? What do you do and what’s wrong with MLM are you still in the 90’s? Oh just keep on holding us hostage. Ha Ha Ha
Comment by Charlie | April 11th, 2009
Where did you get your Badgers? I’m checking out a couple of places on the internet, the sites I’m checking recommend The Jackson Five for the nature part. This things going to be HUGE!
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
Gene,
I own an SMB IT support company with a focus on VOIP and Open Source solutions. Prior to that I was a franchisee of one of the major real estate concerns and I owned a multi-location residential mortgage operation. I was the broker of record for the real estate company and qualified employee of the mortgage operation’s main branch. At the same time I was a multi-million dollar producer in real estate (top 5% in production in the US). I was able to do all three by leveraging my skills in IT. Prior to that I was a stock broker with E.F. Hutton (before it was absorbed by Lehman Bros) with a focus on both real estate and equipment limited partnerships. My licenses included Series 63 and Series 7 securities licenses. What do you do?
Comment by Gene | April 11th, 2009
Well I am a carpenter I build houses. I’ve worked for a living all my life. How do you like that?
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
My father was a gunite contractor. A very smart man but he got scammed out his life savings in a restaurant and bar operation. I suggest you don’t do what my father did as he didn’t stick to what he knew. Carpenters can make a good living if they don’t get foolish with their money.
Now, as far as Dubli is concerned, you’ve bit into a company that does things that raise big red flags to someone like me with a financial background. I’ve seen scams that were packaged a lot slicker than Dubli (like some of Prudential’s limited partnerships in the late 80’s and early 90’s); in fact, to me , Dubli does a very poor job of hiding it’s dirty laundry. Their association with Offshore Investment Brokers is all telling. Dubli’s bragging about this relationship is amateurish as that information would send any knowledgeable investor running away. Do you realize the implications of this relationship or are you choosing to ignore the ramifications? Do you not realize that the primary reason for setting up a “holding company” in Cyprus when a company doesn’t have a business operation there is to prevent courts or tax authorities from seizing its funds? This is the behavior of criminals, not legitimate businessmen. I think you should find better company.
Comment by beavis | April 11th, 2009
Charlie,
Badgers out; old news. I’m setting up a theme park in Salt Lake City strategically placed near the Mormon Temple. We’re naming it WickenWorld. It will have the world’s largest pentagram shaped roller coaster called the Skank. If you become a partner you can be one of the first to ride the Skank!
Comment by Charlie | April 12th, 2009
I like what I’m hearing, I want to be the first one on the Skank!
Comment by Gene | April 12th, 2009
OK, look whose talking and giving advice. We all know what your kind has done to the economy. You grind down the poor
with every fraudulent act leaving good people without their homes, retirement or kids college education holding other peoples money. Please keep your badger business to yourself maybe it should be more like a skunk biz. Being the company holds it’s money in a more prudent environment is another good reason to join the company given the way bail out money comes to the likes of you. You tell me how that’s going to help the masses. You can’t. With this company anyone has a chance to make a good living with an honest online store. Now how great is that? Let’s open this up for Q&A.
Comment by beavis | April 12th, 2009
Charlie,
We’re back to badgers. The problem with the amusement park is, as even you requested, everyone wants to be the first one on the Skank but no one wants sloppy seconds. But its OK, my badger plans are in full swing. You see this isn’t really about raising big badgers; this is about creating a Giant Badger Army to enslave the world! Here is a little taste of what our Giant Badger Army has been up to
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22056684-5001028,00.html
Gene,
Great idea! We’ll get the US Government to fund the badger farm with bailout money. Thanks Gene. You just gave me the final key to enslaving the world. Hope you like your new badger masters. . . if they don’t eat you bwahahahahahahaha bwahahahahahaha
Comment by Gene | April 12th, 2009
You mean skunks. LOL Sounds a little stinking. Well what’s new?
Comment by beavis | April 12th, 2009
Those are stink badgers. We only use honey badgers (genetically modified Super Honey Badgers, that is). Know your badgers Gene.
Comment by Gene | April 13th, 2009
Beav really, your whole thrust is you don’t want the company to succeed.Is that the gist of it? And it’s not for any wrongful practices of the company either is it? No that can’t be. You really don’t care one way or the other you just
want to hurt the company so you can capitalize on it. Right?
Somehow somewhere you’ve been had and it hurts. Have you actually been scammed? Are you on a mission. Now am I getting warm? Yes maybe you’re hired by the Nigerian crooks yourself and you are holding the company hostage here until they pay you up so you’ll stop. Yeah I get it. Some secret covert operation and, and oh you even could be that infamous
Eaglescout. You sure do spend a lot of time spinning on here. But you could say the same for me.
If that’s the case then I guess I’m doing the company a service here cause you’re not getting anywhere in one respect but then somewhere in another. But hey I should get a cut from the blog too. Oh well just spinning with the worst of them. I did look at your barbie.com site. Very good info about those Nigerian scammers and it makes you look like the lone ranger but I really don’t think that’s the case.
Yeah your stuck in the ruts on top of a sand dune where everyone Can see you. Do they have dunes in
Nigeria? Not getting anywhere are you beav? Yeah shouldn’t I get something for this? I don’t think I’ll be joining any of your forums soon. How is it working for you anyway?
You have a bunch of these sites when one comes down you hurry and put another up or is it you just stop beating up the current company you‘ve been sautéing on your
griddle when they pay up. Is this the SMB IT support company you’re talking about? And the vicious circle goes round and round, on and on. Hey I wonder if maybe I could freelance out to get these phantom IEDs out for them. I don’t know there’s a lot of shrapnel flying everywhere. And ya gotta watch out for those giant badgers or overgrown Skunks too. Until next time don’t be scammed.
Comment by beavis | April 14th, 2009
What? I was only talking about taking over the world with an army of genetically modified Super Honey Badgers. What you are talking about is crazy, Gene.
Comment by Gene | April 14th, 2009
Crazy like a fox. Oh a badger.
Comment by Lindy | April 16th, 2009
What is this? Foreplay? You guys are adorable, but can we get back to the topic please? I believe this site is here to bash Dubli, correct? I can’t believe that some crazy internet folks have the nerve to get on line and offer people the opportunity to buy stuff at such a huge discount… and it’s not even used! What kind of craziness is this? I’ll admit that I am a little confused with all of this economic reform going on, but I thought that inflating prices was how people scammed others out of their money and now you’re trying to tell me that Dubli is scamming me by saving me money? Dammit! The consumer just can’t win! Thank heavens that there’s a site like this to set me straight. Eaglescout, Beavis - your my hereo(s)!
Comment by Gene | April 16th, 2009
LOL you got set straight Lindy.
Comment by eaglescout | April 17th, 2009
Hi Lindy,
There are a lot of ways to scam you out of your money; but I’m sure you knew that. What is your favorite way to sell the DubLi scam? Do you mention the gambling right away, or do you avoid that topic unless it is brought up?
Do you tell people that the government is inflating prices, and therefore DubLi is legitimate? Because that is an obvious non-sequitur. Just because 50% of people have below average intelligence doesn’t mean that it’s OK for you to exploit their bank accounts.
DubLi saves you money? Not any more than the lottery or gambling. Thank you for your misleading input, Lindy.
Comment by Unbiased | April 17th, 2009
I am a finance professional (20+ years of corporate analysis, VC and Hedge Fund management) and was asked by a dear friend to take at look at DubLi. My two cents: WAY too early to tell how successful it will be in the US. The European numbers do not look good. Very little verifiable data. However, I can say, I’ve reviewed several comp plans for MLM’s (a difficult business for most), and this is by far the strongest value proposition for time spent by a rep I’ve seen. It doesn’t appear that you need to recruit anyone to make money IF the the credit scenerio play out. That’s a big IF, but for those in early it may be worth their time. To me, it doesn’t appear to be a scam at all (the company - not the sales organizations’) revenue is tied directly to traffic), but it’s a questionable hook/concept. I think it will need to be tweaked to succeed. Point blank: How will you drive traffic to the website?
The Express Auction seems to have the most potential.
1. DubLi reps should stop pronouncing how BIG this is going to be in the US. Instead focus on the value it MAY bring to customers of the webiste.
2. Eaglescout and others are entitled to their opinion as well, but why do you continue to bash the company? So their number aren’t huge in Europe…it appears to me they are still trying to create a workable business model (many successful internet companies have struggled to find this).
I say if you’re so inclined, have fun with DubLi. Just don’t expect in to actually be the next eBay. Honestly, based on the comp plan, it doesn’t need to be 100th that size and you will do just fine IF successful…and people will likely take you more seriously.
Comment by eaglescout | April 17th, 2009
1. Probably.
2. I feel inclined to satirize the company every time someone claims that DubLi will launch for the first time. This is because they claimed they’ve launched for the first time in Denmark (2005), in Europe (2006), in the United States (Oct 4 2008), and once again in the United States (April 4 2009).
Then they deny the last launch, they lie about all the details and questionable associations, etc., and they make outrageous promises.
So, “Unbiased”, it’s not really that I’m bashing DubLi, but rather that I am responding to the outrageous claims made here.
Comment by Gene | April 17th, 2009
Come on eagle, how do you know any claims to be outrageous?
Do you have a crystal ball or something? What are you judge and jury.
Comment by eaglescout | April 17th, 2009
No crystal ball. Just research, grade school math, and statistics.
Comment by Lazbit | April 18th, 2009
I’ve worked in IT since ‘93. I remember playing with the Mosaic browser when the Web was just getting started. I have never seen a startup promise to launch 4 times, fail, then somehow become successful ‘in another 18 months’. Never happened to eBay or Yahoo or Google or Amazon. You tried your concept. It failed. It continues to fail with every ‘launch’.
The only thing Dubli is successful at is conning naive people out of their money.
Look at the auction traffic. Do the math. No amount of webinars, conventions, and propaganda replaces a compelling product offering and business model. The reverse auctions were supposed to be the key to pulling in traffic. And for literally years now, in multiple countries, it’s gone nowhere. There is no substance here, just persuasion and a pyramid waiting to collapse, with a few vultures trying to squeeze the last bit of money they can out of a few remaining suckers.
Comment by Gene | April 18th, 2009
So your in grade school eagle?
Comment by Gene | April 18th, 2009
Oh lasbit lasbit you have no clue on what’s going on.
Comment by Gene | April 18th, 2009
You guys with this hostage site or parasite and I don’t mean navy seals or marines no not paramilitary or anything like that trying to con the company with your doggy dodo. Now who really has the con here? No secret in what you’re doing.
Comment by Lazbit | April 19th, 2009
Yes, that’s it Gene; all of us are making a fortune off revealing what a sad little scam Dubli is. Those kinds of comments (which you’ve often repeated) show exactly how naive you really are about e-commerce. Then again, I guess that shouldn’t be surprising from someone who thought Dubli would be a success.
Eagle is probably making about enough cash from Google Adsense traffic related to Dubli to pay for a six pack. Subtrack hosting fees, and I doubt that six pack is Sam Adams… probably more like Milwaukee’s Best.
Comment by Gene | April 19th, 2009
Lasbit if you’re thinking we’re talking about his adsense pennies then you are very naive.
Comment by Gene | April 19th, 2009
Oh and when did you reveal a scam? LOL
Comment by undercoverbeavis | April 20th, 2009
Gene,
When is the next Dubli launch? I hear its going to be huge!!! I hope it is as big and successful as the last three launches. Go Dubli!!!
Comment by Lazbit | April 20th, 2009
Oh, this is rich. Please, Gene, please explain how a small blog site with some Google Ads is raking in major money from revealing the sad scam that is Dubli? I can’t wait to hear this… Don’t tell me… he’s actually a covert operative for eBay, right? Bastard! LOL
As far as revealing scams, I’d give Eagle and a few others the credit. By ‘we’ I simply referred to the skeptics like myself that have been participating in this conversation. The only credit I take is keeping a friend from losing money at the bottom of your pyramid. That’s how I found out about this racket to begin with.
Comment by Gene | April 20th, 2009
Hey no name calling now there lasbit. I can’t
help it you can’t think for yourself.
Comment by Lazbit | April 21st, 2009
And there it is. A classic MLM shill move. Avoid answering questions and feign being insulted to try and put the other person on the defensive. Whatever, Gene.
Oh, and congrats on 8 completed Xpress auctions yesterday. The ‘launch’ continues to be a dizzying success. Positively viral.
Comment by Gene | April 21st, 2009
Keep watching while you have insults on your tongue. You may get dizzy. You guys are watching a business grow don’t ya know. Real scam LOL
Comment by beavis | April 22nd, 2009
“Keep watching”?
Watching Dubli’s “business grow” is like watching paint dry. I guess it could muddle along for years like this as the promoters (and ultimate benefactors) have negligible overhead. At what point do you call it a day, Gene? The company has been around since ‘03 and only on occasion breaks ten successful auctions per day. e-commerce is not the wave of future; it is an established, mature industry and Dubli can’t seem to even get a small foothold into it. To their competition they are not even on the radar. The concept cannot grow virally on its own even on a small scale as evidenced by the auction traffic. What is supposed to change this, Gene? The shopping portal that relies on the auction traffic to drive it? A magical viral campaign that never materializes? The problem, Gene, is that the business model for Dubli corporate works without any of this; they only need new associates as their overhead is minimal. To Dubli, they have already have a successful operation; you will just be left waiting until eventually the dim bulb begins to flicker.
Comment by Questions | April 22nd, 2009
Just curious…why such harsh reproach for Dubli by Beavis? I mean, if some people want to take a shot at Dubli, why belittle and downgrade them so harshly? No one barks at people for investing in real estate, yet thousands and thousands of dollars has been lost in it. No one is barking at those investing in stocks, yet thousands…correct that - millions…has been lost in stocks in the past year. So why be so hard on those who want to invest 1,000-3,000 dollars in a business venture? I am not in Dubli, because too much just doesn’t add up for me. But, I also realize we live in America, and it is free enterprise. So why so harsh Beavis?
Comment by Gene | April 22nd, 2009
Beav I see you’re still panhandling with your 419 eater site. How’s it going? But keep watching the company. I have patience. By the way you can get started with the company as an associate for under 600 USD. Do you have it? Hey just go to my site here and you can join and see my picture to boot. You’ll have to click on my name though. Yes you can get credits to sell to your customers and generate a great business.
Lasbit what’s a shil move? What makes you think I’m disposed to answer any of your questions? Are you owner of this blog? Ask eagle he knows what I’m talking about. Oh if anyone wants to donate to my cause I have a paypal account too.
Questions what doesn’t add up? Wait tell you see the shop and all the goodies there!
Comment by eaglescout | April 22nd, 2009
A lot of people are “barking” at the idiots buying into the real estate market in the past 6 years. Ironically, the people who introduced me to DubLi are real estate agents, and they move from MLM to MLM looking to make money quickly. I decided to warn their prospective customers. That was what first prompted me to research DubLi. You may notice a couple other scams I’ve written about; all of these articles on scams and deceptive practices were inspired by them.
I actually feel sorry for Gene, so I try to avoid interacting with him; but I can see why beavis might be deeply irritated by Gene and anybody hawking DubLi so ignorantly.
On the other hand, Gene has had DubLi politely explained to him, so at this point, I think he just wants attention, or thinks that his generally non-sequitur posts will drive traffic to his DubLi affiliate site.
Comment by beavis | April 22nd, 2009
Questions,
Pyramid scams are illegal. Adding a lame product (like an auctions that does little business) to disguise a pyramid scam just ads to the deceit. If someone chooses to participate in a stupid business model thats one thing; when that business model is built on the recruitment of others and is a pyramid scam I don’t feel obliged to be polite.
Regarding Gene, yeah, he’s had it explained. . . over and over. I think he gets it enough that he won’t sink another dime into it; at last until he sees something of substance happen (highly doubtful). He’s just not ready to come over from the Dark Side of the Force. When the mediocre shopping portal launches he’ll get all excited but when traffic fails to appear he’ll start to get the drift.
Comment by Marcus Welby | April 23rd, 2009
I can easily tell who the BROKE people are on this site. It never amazes me. If you are BROKE you really do have a choice. Open your eyes, get your head out of the sand, quit looking for excuses, quit laying blame, quit whinning, look for the positive, and more importantly GET TO WORK and stop listening to the other BROKE Nay Sayers. Take a guess at this. Is the person who wrote this comment BROKE, RICH, or VERY RICH?
Comment by Insidious | April 23rd, 2009
OK Marcus, what are you selling? And if* you can read minds, you are probably very rich.
* No, you can’t.
Comment by Gene | April 23rd, 2009
Oh yeah you guys are top not researchers LOL. Give me a break.
Keep watching. Well’ll see who the idiots are. Eagle are you making any money yet? Ah don’t bother to respond to me. This blog is simply a scam in itself.
Comment by Charlie | April 23rd, 2009
What’s up Gene? I have to say I’m a little curious why you’re still posting on this site?.. Of course it’s a scam in itself, do you notice when days go by and nobody posts all of the sudden these new names pop up and get people all up in arms, I doubt “Eaglescout” even exists or “Beavis” or “2Smart4Dubli” For me it’s only when I’m extremely bored but I doubt I’ll leave any more comments.
Comment by beavis | April 23rd, 2009
I post therefore I exist.
Comment by undercoverbeavis | April 23rd, 2009
Me too!
Comment by Charlie | April 24th, 2009
You don’t exist to me, and I’m all that matters.
Comment by Gene | April 24th, 2009
Hey Charlie. Why do I post? Mainly because I really don’t like to see them bad mouth a good company and they can hurt the efforts of those who are trying to build the business.
Comment by beavis | April 24th, 2009
Are you two turkeys going to renew when your year is up? I don’t think so. I think your period of denial will end when they hit you up to purchase more of those stupid credits. When are your anniversary dates? I’ll mark my calender!
Comment by Lazbit | April 24th, 2009
I post because every update to this site keeps its rankings higher in Google. And the more that happens, the more likely it is they don’t scam another poor sap. If nothing else, they can see all the false promises the Dublidiots spouted here, just as they did with every other ‘launch’ for the last several years.
Comment by Charlie | April 24th, 2009
Keep up the good work Gene! I did have one final thought, The many representatives of Dubli who have their web sites up and running gladly hand over their E-mail addresses, phone numbers and their first and last names, unlike the cowards who knock Dubli on this site, and believe me you are cowards,pathetic little closet homosexuals that never really lived up to their parents expectations, so they have to knock anyone else with ambition, I sort of hope Dubli does go in the toilet so we won’t have to see this site any longer.
Comment by eaglescout | April 24th, 2009
The fact that many DubLi representatives hand over personal information so quickly indicates that they are very new to the internet, which also explains why they fell for DubLi so easily.
I would be very embarrassed if my name or email address came up in any material related to advertising DubLi or just about any get-rich-quick scheme or MLM.
Comment by beavis | April 24th, 2009
Charlie,
They hand over their personal info out of desperation, trying anything to drum up recruits. I mean, who would want to admit that they fell for such an obvious scam. They must feel like real retards dumping a few grand into such a lame operation (obviously they didn’t do any due diligence). and you don’t need my personal phone number or email; feel free to post your, ummm, “thoughts”, right here so we can all be amused.
Comment by CU | April 25th, 2009
Looking at the bottom of Dubli’s “How it works” page, I noticed a statement that a member can only win 3 auctions per month and can’t make more bids after that point. No such statement exists in the U.S. GTCs. The EU GTCs seem to have taken a holiday.
Is the restriction still in existance? Sloppy work either way. If it is, then it should be in GTCs. If not, then it shouldn’t have been copied from the EU site as it obviously was.
…and what could possibly be the business rationale for such a policy? Have fun with that one.
Comment by Charlie | April 25th, 2009
The only thing that amuses me Beav is what a pussy you are, I haven’t used that word since the seventh grade, Of course I don’t have all your “Education” like your series 63 and your series 7 licenses, I took those tests in 1991 as I recall the series 63 was a 50 question quiz multiple choice and my series 7 class was one week long evenings only how in the world did you ever manage? And you? The top 3% of Realtor (s) Please dude, Trust me I out class you in every way possible, if you had any balls you would pick up a phone and accept my invitation to Maui so you could see first hand my Imaginary lifestyle and the made up people I associate with. But you and I know what would happen if we ever came face to face, so jut stick to the computer asshole.
Comment by DubLi forum | April 25th, 2009
The people bashing DubLi on this forum are a complete joke. I am sure that eagle scout, beavis, and the other negative personalities are the same guy. I find it hard to believe that people are listening to these guys.
Why don’t we come out into the open and reveal out true identities. If you DubLi bashers are so smart, let us see what you have accomplished in the business world. Prove that you are someone worth listening to. This blog? Please.
The only thing you have to be careful of on this site is who you are listening to. Listen to the people that have the things you want in life. The DubLi bashers on this site are probably all the same guy. He is toxic.
DubLi has had to work closely with the US government to be sure that the business was in compliance. This company is perfectly legitimate.
The social business model is the way of the future. Anyone talking negative about it is obviously clueless about the future of Internet business.
Jamison
Comment by beavis | April 25th, 2009
That’s it, Charlie, you’re doing great! With you’re help in posting on this site it is number one when people Google “Dubli”. Oh, and now you’ve had a Series 7; what firm, pray tell?
“DubLi forum”,
Hey dimwit! Look at the writing styles, idiot; they are from different people. Sometimes you Dubli fanboys are just too stupid for words. Hope you bought Gold ($3,199 down the drain).
Comment by eaglescout | April 25th, 2009
That’s possibly the best insult I’ve read in this thread. I laughed out loud.
Registering a business is not the same as working closely with the U.S. government, or did you mean something else. If so, do you have any documentation?
Is anybody talking negatively about “the social business model”?
What social business model are you talking about? Are you still yapping about facebook and myspace?
Comment by Gene | April 25th, 2009
Keep watching eagle. Are you making any money yet? LOL
Hey and I am one of them Golden boys. Yup! Come on guys let me make some money off ya. Anyone reading this blog and comparing what we really have with the company and what you’re saying know how foolish you really are. Beav are you getting some paypal donations with your 419 eater? There is money to be made.
Eagle are you taking anymore hostages? If so let me know so I can beat you up there too. LOL
Lasbit you have no clue.
Comment by dubli network | April 25th, 2009
Nice comeback beavis. Do you graduate high school this year? Way to point out the different writing styles. Now we believe you for sure…
In working with the government they had to be sure that everything was in compliance with the law. They had to be sure they would be in compliance in each State. it took a lot of time and money. You act like you have investigated the company, yet you don’t know this? You must have top-notch investigative skills.
Facebook and myspace?
Yep. You are about as clueless as I thought. Wait till I knock this site off the first page of Google and you don’t get traffic anymore.
I like how you completely ignore my comment about coming out into the open. You are a big man behind your screen name.
If you are so knowledgeable, why don’t we have a challenge. We can see who can prove having the most success on the Internet or in business. Can you show ANY accomplishment? Why not prove to everyone you know what you are doing.
As of right now, this site has no credibility. Anyone that listens to the negativity on this site, needs to have their head examined.
BEWARE people! Only listen to people that have what you want in life. Be sure that the people you are listening to are credible. Make them prove it.
Comment by beavis | April 25th, 2009
You’re right “dubli network”, we can anonymously kick the living daylights out of Dubli. And you are helpless along with Charlie to do anything about it. I think the term is “impotent”.
Comment by dubli network | April 26th, 2009
You must be pretty insecure to get your kicks that way beavis. Talk about helpless or “impotent” as you put it. Why can’t you have a debate without making it personal and calling people names. You poor sad man.
Comment by Charlie | April 26th, 2009
Say what you’ll say Beavis, but everyone knows you’re a pussy and in my neighborhood growing up that was the worst thing you could be, instead of your mother’s skirt it’s the internet you hide behind, or in your case maybe your father’s skirt, What a Fag! And I don’t mean your gay, you’re just a faggot, Phone lines are open (808)264-7114
Comment by Lazbit | April 26th, 2009
I will say you Dublidiots are consistent; the more you run out of rational arguments, the more you sound like a bunch of potty-mouthed kids throwing a tantrum. By all means, continue - it just makes this page gain more traction in Google. I’m sure potential ‘investors’ will be charmed by it.
Oh, and congrats on 15 completed Xpress auctions Saturday. Your volume following the (2nd) launch continues to inspire awe. Insults aside, that’s the only number that counts. And the only word that continues to describe it is ‘Fail’. See more examples here: http://failblog.org/.
Comment by beavis | April 26th, 2009
Flail, Charlie, flail! Keep swinging in the air, maybe you”ll hit something (or most likely wind yourself). Bahahahahahah bahahahahaha.
Lazbit,
Yes, they ran out of rational arguments and now some are becoming pathetically irrational like Charlie. Gene just keeps repeating Dubli “rah rah” stuff as if that will change the fundamentals. “dubli network” must really need Dubli to work so he believes. This is like picking on SPEDS.
Comment by CU | April 26th, 2009
BEWARE people! Only listen to people that have what you
want in life.
You’ll have my children?!!
Comment by Gene | April 26th, 2009
So Beav how are your donations coming Rah rah! You don’t seem to give me any information on your fabulous site. Oh but you have many of those site right?
Are these what you support as fundamentals for the company?
DubLi uses a pyramid model and sells gambling tokens called “DubLi credits”.
How can you imagine this to be gambling? How do you make it out to be a pyramid. You can’t seem to grasp the concept of networking can you. Try this and see if you can learn something if eagle lets it through. http://www.discoveryourbusiness.com/index.php?145498/
DubLi doesn’t even register when you compare traffic analysis.
You can’t really put any stock in traffic analysis yet the company is still rolling out and you can’t seem to recognize that either. Just something you can pull up to make you look like you’re talking about something of significance. It’s too early to tell.
DubLi gets .026% the number of visits that eBay gets; to put it another way, if you add up all the traffic they each get, eBay gets 99.97% of all that traffic.
Of course eBay will get more traffic how long has it been around? Given time,Yes given time we’ll really have something
that is worth talking about.
What competition? The two organizations have completely different markets.
Well I can agree with that. We don’t sell used stuff. It’s all new brand name high quality products. With the auctions products that everyone can afford
Comment by beavis | April 26th, 2009
Gene said “the company is still rolling out”.
The only thing rolling out is the “associates” money.
Comment by Gene | April 26th, 2009
How is your rolling out donations going beav?
Comment by CU | April 26th, 2009
“How can you imagine this to be gambling?”
What is it about spending a token on a chance to win a product that you can imagine to not be gambling? You’re deluding yourself.
“How do you make it out to be a pyramid.”
While not as certain as the gambling aspect, the miniscule product sales compared to BA claims of revenue would seem to indicate that most of the revenue is presently coming from fees paid by other BAs. In fact, I read a recent blog by one associate who admitted as much. If so, then Dubli is currently operating as a pyramid.
“You can’t really put any stock in traffic analysis yet the company is still rolling out…”
If the U.S. rollout is anything like the EU rollout, then expect a brief upswing in traffic followed by a steady decline. Dubli.com traffic - which includes the EU dubli auction site - was in a steady decline prior to the U.S. launch.
Comment by beavis | April 26th, 2009
Dubli is going to be hanging with some big, respectable company:
Xerox = copy
Google = search
Dubli = fail
Example: “I started a new bussines but it Dublied and we closed our doors.”
Comment by Lazbit | April 26th, 2009
ROFL. I like it, Beavis.
“My portfolio is way down. Part of it is the economy, but I also should have known better than investing in too many startups that all Dublied.”
Comment by beavis | April 26th, 2009
Lazbit,
1. Dubli - fail
2. Dublied it - blew it, failed to perform
3. Dublidiot - a stupid failure
4. Dublicide - attempted suicide and lived to tell about it
5. Dubli sex - you and your hand tonight (sound familiar Charlie)
Comment by beavis | April 27th, 2009
6. Dubli employment - collecting Welfare
7. Dubli mission - a directive given to subordinates with no possibility of success
8. Dubli cluster - a cluster f#@k
9. Dubli bankruptcy - not enough change under the seat of the car for a pack of cigs
10. Dubli tattoo - bruise from falling down; a misspelled tattoo
Comment by Gene | April 27th, 2009
It’s the economy don’t you know (upswing and decline sure)and where did you come from now cu? Do you watch the news? Another invention of eagle this cu guy. Or is that beav. Are either one of you making any money yet. Or is it still rolling out? And how long have you been rolling out?
Are ya all holding any more hostages? Why don’t ya tell us how much money you’re making? Or are you gambling on making some money from the company so you’ll take them off your hit list. What kind of products do you deal with besides holding companies hostage on the Internet. What a scam.
Comment by CU | April 27th, 2009
I come from Earth. You?
Comment by Charlie | April 27th, 2009
Beavis is a Fag! His father is the local Boy Lover and his Mother is the Local Slut!…
Comment by beavis | April 27th, 2009
Flail, Charlie! Flail!
For those of you who don’t know, Charlie is the homeless guy on the street corner having a heated conversation with himself. Consider him harmless. Give him 50 cents and he’ll do a Hari Krishna dance for you.
Comment by Charlie | April 28th, 2009
Except Charlie’s not harmless, I’m gonna find out Beavis’s identitiy and kill him and torture his family in front of him, and then burn his house to the ground and then kill all of his friends, and then this blog will be on the news. I’m coming for you Beavis you faggot, cocksucker, pedofile!! I can’t wait to kill you and have you begging for your life.
Comment by dubli scam | April 28th, 2009
There is a website called dubliscam.org that has the truth about Dubli. Get the real facts!
Comment by beavis | April 28th, 2009
dubli scam,
Old news. The real facts are Dubli hasn’t done dog squat for business and they have made a lot of statements about becoming wildly successful yet have shown no momentum. In other words, your site is bull, and Dubli is, imho, an unqualified “FAIL”. Move along,; nothing to see here.
Comment by eaglescout | April 28th, 2009
Dear “dubli scam”,
Your entire site seems to complain about a few tidbits of information* we retracted as long ago as the fourth (penultimate) time that DubLi allegedly launched (October 4, 2008 - how many times can you launch?)
Additionally, your defense of DubLi amounts to “the U.S. government hasn’t wasted time with DubLi, so DubLi must be legitimate”
Other than that, you agree that DubLi makes more than 97% of its money from selling licenses to sell other licenses!
In fact, it’s the first thing you admit to!
The second part of your defense basically amounts to agreeing with us.
And the third part of your defense is that we are mean to DubLi, which logically is not a defense at all.
No matter how “mean” we are to DubLi, it is still in the business of deceiving people, and you did nothing to put that claim to rest. DubLi is the business equivalent of swine flu and you admit to it!
Cheers.
*Some of these bits of information were only retracted because they were outdated, and not because they were inaccurate.
Comment by dubli scam | April 28th, 2009
No matter how “mean” we are to DubLi, it is still in the business of deceiving people, and you did nothing to put that claim to rest. DubLi is the business equivalent of swine flu and you admit to it!
The funny thing is that the detractors are acting like they know what they are talking about when they don’t. The reverse auction is just something to talk about. It is an attention grabber. It is a small part of what DubLi is all about. If people want to have fun trying to win a product, why not. They are adults. They can make their own decision. There is nothing deceptive about that.
The auction has been a little slow ON PURPOSE. They are having everyone hold their credits. These credits are going to begin to flood into the market all at once. This will draw mass traffic to the site and create the buzz.
But again, this is a small part of what DubLi is all about. The “savings portal” is what is going to really benefit consumers. This will allow people to save money on the things they already purchase from the stores they already purchase from. That is a great concept in these economic times.
DubLi has been working out relationships with over 750 of the top stores people shop at. It is through the customer base that all the licensees will ultimately be making their money. Not through distributorships.
You keep bringing up the government, yet DubLi has worked with the government to be sure that they are in compliance. In fact, DubLi modified the compensation plan in the US in order to be sure they were well within the law.
Everything now hinges on the savings portal. If this really does offer customers savings and incentives that are worth while, DubLi will be a big hit and it will turn out to be a consumer driven business. That is the plan. This is one of the first models that will have accomplished that. In other words, the goal is not to make money off distributors. It is to make money from customers. If you don’t get that, you don’t understand what DubLi is up to.
Comment by eaglescout | April 28th, 2009
That’s what we said. It’s a deceptive attention-grabber, not a real reverse-auction…
That’s an interesting strategy, but a poor excuse. You mean to say that poor people like Gene have to renew their yearly licenses to sell licenses this coming October, because someone decided that they shouldn’t be allowed to sell a lot of credits? And in the meantime, Michael Hansen and the posse are spending that money like thieves on an money-laundering spree?
No. I think the problem is that you are “hoping” that the viral marketing will work. No matter what we say, it’s all part of your strategy… The poor amount of sales is your strategy, and people like Gene having to renew their licenses to sell more licenses is your strategy.
That all benefits Michael Hansen, not Gene. You are simply using Gene and emailing him excuses for the not so transparent deception.
Yes, gambling and lotteries are a great way to lose money in these economic times.
Making sure your company stays legal isn’t something to brag about, nor is it “working closely with the government”. That’s something you have to do if you want to avoid jail.
The fact that you would have been illegal if you hadn’t modified your compensation plan should have been enough motivation to change it.
Well, that’s your “promise” anyway. But in reality most of the money has already been made through distributorships. You are in the business of promising things you haven’t delivered, and probably can’t deliver.
And if not, Michael Hansen has already made his millions in pyramid licenses. Sounds like a beautiful plan.
Comment by beavis | April 28th, 2009
“The auction has been a little slow ON PURPOSE. They are having everyone hold their credits. These credits are going to begin to flood into the market all at once. This will draw mass traffic to the site and create the buzz.”
ummm. . . bullshit. . . stupid, laughable. . . bullshit
there are few things that are definite but the “flood” of credits will never occur.
bullshit
Comment by dubli scam | April 28th, 2009
The only thing that is laughable is beavis and butthead acting like they know what they are talking about. You guys are a complete and utter joke.
You act like you understand business and are the authorities on scams, yet you have no success or credibility of your own. Show ANYTHING that you have been succesful with. Whenever you are challenged, you just put your head in the sand and avoid the topic.
Show some credibility. Why should people believe you? There are plenty of successful people that believe in DubLi. There are a couple of jokers with no credibility trying to create controversy that have no idea what they are talking about.
Comment by eaglescout | April 28th, 2009
Dear “dubli scam”, “dubli forum”, “dubli network”, what you (singular) don’t seem to understand, is that the only credibility that matters is logic and our sources. I could be Bill Gates’ private researcher, or have a PhD in Janitorial Services and the logic and sources would still stand on their own.
Because people can evaluate our sources and examine our math and decide for themselves. You don’t seem to understand what evidence is.
And yet you offer no relevant examples. Stop wasting your time.
Comment by Gene | April 28th, 2009
Oh eagle are you not making any money yet? Poor boy. You’re somewhat like a leech is that right? Oh that’s right a parasite. Is that a right assessment? You have to try and play your transparent game of pin the tail on some donkey. LOL but the donkey isn’t cooperating is it? You reach out your hand and step in, well. LOL You’ve been getting kicked too many times haven’t you?
Beav be careful you don’t step in your own creation. You guys don’t seem to be interested in any real business you have to try to ruin another’s. But you can’t do it? No one is believing you anymore. I did a pretty good job here didn’t I? Beav how are the donations coming? You don’t seem to answer that. Is it because you aren’t getting any? We wouldn’t want anyone to click on any of your links here now would we? You might make too much. It might go to your head. Not eagle’s either. Right? You’re welcome to buy at my shop and check out my real business. Just keep watching.
Comment by Insidious | April 28th, 2009
In the spirit of Beavis’ collection of DubLisms:
“The swine flu DubLied and killed everyone”.
“Did you vaccinate yourself against the DubLi flu? It virally exploded on October 4th 2008 and April 4th 2009″
Comment by beavis | April 29th, 2009
Gene,
What are you talking about? Leeches, donkeys and something about donations I gather. On second thought, please just ignore this post. We’ll figure it out on our own.
Comment by Wombat | April 29th, 2009
“I dublied all over my shorts after I ate that two pounds of bacon, a gallon of milk, and a jar of jalapenos. Time to turn them inside out and try another meal.”
Comment by beavis | April 29th, 2009
Wombat,
We’ve all been there.
Comment by Gene | April 29th, 2009
Yeah you’re leeching off people asking for donations for a so called reputable cause. What a facade your 419 website farce. Scam you is. But never mind you just evade it. You and eagle or you are eagle just want to make money from the company so you stop bashing them even though there’s no foundation in your cause. I have to spell it out for you I guess.
It’s too much trouble to take you to court for your ridiculous claims so you are in hopes the company will pay you instead so you’ll shut up and go away. Better watch it guys so you all don’t scamapedia all over yourselves.
Comment by beavis | April 29th, 2009
Gene,
You seem to be on a mission to part with your money to Dubli; please do so. You can’t be helped and I think we all accept that here. You are, dare I say it, an idiot.
Comment by Gene | April 29th, 2009
Beav you are on a mission impossible. You aren’t going to stop the company and I sure hope they don’t pay you anything to shut up just because you cause a false stir in ecommerce world. How are you doing with parting others of their money with your donations scam? So I am an idiot? LOL sure enough you’ve been looking in a mirror. How can you possible think anyone can take you seriously. Maybe the Nigerians can.
Comment by beavis | April 29th, 2009
Trust me, nothing involving Dubli would have any effect of significance on the ecommerce world. The best way Dubli can protect its reputation and shut me up is to deliver on their promises. As that is not occurring I think I’ll continue to comment.
Comment by beavis | April 29th, 2009
Gene,
I got this off your website:
“We know this works because it has already been done in Germany and has been launched this past October 2008. We are working off of their success.”
“Success”? What “success”? When confronted by the pathetic number of auctions in Germany and the US we get the bullshit response that the site hasn’t launched yet or it’s just launched and it’s too soon to tell or the to be released shopping portal is what is needed. In other words excuses. So, you can’t acknowledge that the traffic has always sucked and then claim a history of success. You Dublidiots are liars.There is no ambiguity here. You are lying. Name one thing the company has done to drive traffic to its site in the last six months of any significance beyond tell stories of things to come. This company supposedly started in 2003 and supposedly is heavily financed. Yet, for some reason, nothing is happening. The only activity this company has demonstrated is the push to recruit more associates and collecting the up front money. Actual product delivery (that being the website with traffic) is, for all intents and purposes, a no show. Your company is a joke Gene. You have been had, fool.
Comment by Lazbit | April 30th, 2009
Please. For the zillionth time:
1) Please look up the meaning of reverse auction. Dubli can’t even get that part right. A real reverse auction involves sellers bidding down their prices for a mass of buyers. Not the lottery-like approach Dubli follows. Call Xpress what you will, but it’s _not_ a reverse auction.
2) The ‘holding back of credits’ is just a BS excuse to sign up more suckers. What are we on now? - the sixth ‘launch’? Mind boggling. To me, it either indicates incredible business and marketing incompetence or a carefully planned approach to continue fleecing investors. The later is more believable.
3) There is nothing new about your so called ‘new model’ for phase two. Ideas like that have been around for more than 10 years. I don’t care how many stores you’ve signed up — you have brick and mortar firms that have gone online like Sam’s Club and Costco on the membership end to compete with (good luck with that). Or, assuming you point to other merchants, you have PriceGrabber, Froogle, Nextag, etc. Your past track record certainly doesn’t give any confidence that ‘phase two’ is anything other than yet another delaying tactic to keep the pyramid growing until the last possible sap can be conned.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
You know nothing beav don’t you seem to understand we have an online store coming and that is where the money or business is. Not in the auctions in the first place. How you flip things around. Talk about lying. It has been successful in Germany. How many times does someone have to point that out to you? The fact is that people simply doing the auctions mean that we have customers who will shop with us. When it comes out. Whatever the caliber of the auctions is not that big a deal and the company has a plan as how they roll out and I have no control over that. Don’t step into your scamapedia now beav. For some reason nothing is happening. Duh
How’s the donations coming I see you’re not linking up to your 419 scam site. So how much money do you think you need to let your hostages go? You’ve been had.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
Lasbit you don’t have to recruit to come into the company nor does one need to, to make money. So that blows your idea of a sap being conned. In every business venture there is risk of loss and hope of gain. What do you expect to get something for nothing? You seem to think we get nothing for something. LOL No please. I’ve used the auctions myself. I got a product shipped to me in a timely fashion. Saved a little money. Giving enjoyment to my boys as satisfied customers. I am looking forward to the shop. Soon you will see it.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
Does anyone really take this blog seriously. I sure don’t. We have a real business with the company. These duply idiots with there reverse cons would fabricate anything to turn a profit. Anyone can see that. Beave do you think of yourself as a duply idiot? How about you lasbit?
Comment by beavis | April 30th, 2009
Lazbit,
I give up. Gene “believes”. I’d have a better shot at convincing Bin Laden to become an Orthodox Jew. Without any supporting facts Gene “believes” the company will create a shopping portal that will be wildly successful. Why will it be wildly successful? Who knows. Last I heard the company line was the auctions were supposed to drive the traffic. We all know that’s not happening as hardly anyone bids on them. Then their is the generic “viral marketing” shtick. Once again, “how”? What are they going to do that will create this and what has the company ever done to deserve trust? Gene makes my head hurt. Blinded by greed is one thing; being beaten stupid by it is another.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
Lasbit is duplied. I guess you are a Duply ^.You have not a shred of supporting facts they won’t be a success! Do you? You have the crystal ball syndrome. Even if Germany was a flop which it wasn’t doesn’t mean it is here. Lasbit or is it beav or is it eagle. Come now and spin your tale. Greed is the a motivation you espouse is it lasbit? I suppose when I drive nails and build a house that’s greed? If anyone tries to build an online store that’s greed? So what do you do to generate greed lasbit? You better read over http://www.dubliscam.org again. You don’t have to recruit if you want in lasbit.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
VISA debit card $10.000 Charity Auction
Part of our mission statement is to support worthwhile Charities around the world. The focus is on supporting children in need. In this light we are featuring our second Charity Auction to benefit ‘Blessings in a Backpack’. This program feeds children in grades K-5 in Title 1 public schools; who qualify for the Federal Free and Reduced Meal Program and who may not have any or enough food on the weekends.
‘Blessings in a Backpack’ is currently feeding over 10,000 children in Kentucky, Indiana, Florida, Michigan, Missouri, California and New York in public schools. It only takes $80 to feed a child for an entire school year. The Program works like this: a school is chosen and a local grocer partners with the program to provide food for meals in the backpacks. Every Friday, students receive their backpacks with food that requires little or no preparation. They return with their backpacks on Monday ready to learn.
The person who is awarded this charity auction, will personally receive a $10,000 Visa debit card to use as they wish. All of the revenue from the auction will be donated to ‘Blessings in a Backpack’.
Includes
Visa debit card worth $10000
Comment by beavis | April 30th, 2009
When the company closes its doors and all of the money is in some offshore banking haven, Gene will say “it is all part of their plan and they’ll be relaunching soon bigger and better than ever”.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
Gene says oh yeah. How’s your 419 donations coming beav. You’re holding out on us.
Comment by eaglescout | April 30th, 2009
Gene, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but dubliscam.org is owned by DubLi’s subcontractors in the United States.
DubLi has no physical location in the United States whatsoever. The reason they picked Scottsdale, AZ on paper, is because it is the address given to them by DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domains_by_Proxy
Additionally, dubliscam.org is building all kinds of straw man arguments. Watch how deceptive they are:
I actually never mention “Andy Bodowin“, this is Michael Hansen’s way of misspelling Andy Bowdoin’s name (charged with creating a Ponzi Scheme). And for some reason, Jamison spelled it exactly the same way.
Once can be a coincidence; twice makes me wonder if they are trying to hide a real connection between Andy Bowdoin and DubLi. That, or Jamison didn’t do any relevant research.
Here’s another deception by Jamison:
Not quite. DubLi offers no click-throughs to Kelkoo or Yahoo! for the U.S. section of the site. As Jamison should be aware, our main criticism is of the U.S. site, since it is the only site currently being pushed by DubLi. The European version is irrelevant as it gets very little traffic by comparison, and appears to be losing traffic every day.
Thus, Jamison appears to agree that DubLi is indeed a pyramid scheme. The reality is not clear-cut however, as DubLi indeed has tried its best to turn a pyramid scheme into a barely legal business model, by consulting lawyers in the United States.
But the legality is not even that important. It’s simply the deceptive lengths at which DubLi will go to sell licenses to sell more licenses. Of course, they won’t call them licenses. Instead they are marketed as credit bundles which serve, exactly, the purpose of a license to sell other licenses.
Comment by beavis | April 30th, 2009
That’s too much for Gene to take in. His head might explode.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
Eagle don’t waste our time. I’ll take over here now.
Comment by undercoverbeavis | April 30th, 2009
Gee, gene, I know Dubli’s viral marketing campaign is going to be a huge success. Tell us how they are going to do it and put these naysayers in their place.
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
Beav if you have a complaint go to your congressman. Oh yeah you don’t live here. Why don’t you mind your own business then?
Getting any free hand outs are ya beav?
Comment by Gene | April 30th, 2009
A cease and desist letter, hmmm have ya had any of late eagle?
Comment by CU | April 30th, 2009
“The reality is not clear-cut however, as DubLi indeed has tried its best to turn a pyramid scheme into a barely legal business model, by consulting lawyers in the United States.”
Of course, consulting a lawyer is not a guarantee of legality any more than seeing a doctor is a guarantee of good health.
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
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Comment by undercoverbeavis | May 1st, 2009
I can’t wait Gene; when can I sign up!!! After $3,195 for a Gold Package and now $1,595 for a Premium Package I’d only be out $4,790. I’ll make that in a day when Dubli takes off!! They will take off, won’t they Gene? I mean, could you explain how this viral marketing campaign is going to be promoted - in specifics? I mean, I’d just like some details and how this is to come about. You do have the details, don’t you?
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
Update: April 28th, 2009; Apologist sites (subcontracted by DubLi) claim DubLi sells advertising to Kelkoo and therefore it is not a pyramid scheme; The U.S. DubLi site, offers no such advertising and the European counterpart receives a fraction of that traffic by comparison.
Update: January 20th, 2009; We have opted to remove outdated speculations and focus on reasonably verifiable information regarding DubLi. Think of this as the Wikipedia article on DubLi you can’t edit.
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
Hey beav you don’t give me any details about your donations earning. Tit for tat.
Comment by beavis | May 1st, 2009
I really hate to burst your bubble, Gene, but I don’t have any financial interest in the anti-scammer site or position of control. I also have no knowledge of how their donations go. So to answer you question, my donation earnings are zero. Now about this viral marketing campaign; please tell me you know the specifics because only a moron would dump money blindly into a business without knowing how it intends to operate.
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
So you’re talking of morons? Well fancy that. Sooo how does that apply to your business? So why do you link to the 419 site. Are you seriously into the company and on a need to know on the marketing. Any honest inquiry should be addressed. The best thing for you to do is attend a webinar. Give me your email address and I will send you info for a webinar.
Comment by beavis | May 1st, 2009
Gene is getting up to speed with Dubli; you can’t get a straight answer out of him. Kind of like trying to nail Jello against the wall; it just oozes away. Well, I link to the 419 site because I participate in it’s activities (anti-scamming). I consider Dubli a scam so I think it is a good fit here. It is a hobby (nothing like giving a Nigerian scammer a wake up call at 5:00am on Sunday morning; or sending him cross-country to pick up a bank transfer; or convincing him to tattoo himself to join our “church” and receive funds for doing so).
AS far as my interest in Dubli, I just think it is a scam that needs to be exposed. So, “yes”, I’m “on a need to know on the marketing”. I’ve seen Dubli’s webinars; goes back to the Jello on the wall. I’m only asking what is Dubli’s plan to accomplish its goals. I figured anybody who bought into this would surely know the answer to such a basic question. Any other Dubli Ass-ociates care to answer this basic question?
Comment by Lazbit | May 1st, 2009
Honestly, Gene, you (conveniently, I think) have the attention span of a gnat. I’m looking at the title of this page, and it isn’t an exploration of the pros/cons of Beave’s choice of extracurricular activities (although I admire anyone who helps fights 419 scams), it’s about Dubli. The beauty of the Internet is that people can debate ideas without necessarily knowing whether the other person is young/old/black/white/rich/poor — which has no bearing on the merits of an arguement. I don’t care if you’re a carpenter or a CEO. Or Beavis or Eagle for that matter. Stay on subject.
And telling people to attend a webinar isn’t an answer. It’s more spam. I’ve listened to Dubli’s webinars. In fact, a friend asking me to listen to one and provide her with advice on whether or not to invest in Dubli was what sparked my interesting in helping warn people away from Dubli. She’s in a tough financial situation, and Dubli was the last thing she needed to be wasting her time and income with.
So please, either answer or say, “I don’t know.”
Here’s a couple of the unanswered questions:
- How will you get traffic or go ‘viral’ if the auction site continues to be a dog? (Congrats on 11 Xpress auctions yesterday. Almost a month after the ‘unlaunch’, and the traffic continues to be… well… sad.)
- Tell us the specifics of that ’success’ in Germany. Anything. Ballpark numbers. A simple Google of ‘Dubli Germany’ just shows a scam forum with fleeced merchants and unhappy customers…
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
Lasbit will thank you very much. You are so kind in your assessment. I am not here to answer your questions. You have your mind made up. Why should I waste my time with you?
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
Beav you’re scamming right here. We all know it. Have you been to a webinar yet beav?
Comment by beavis | May 1st, 2009
No, but I’ve been to Dubli’s website for Ass-ociates. That was a waste of time. No financials and no clear roadmap for the company; just a lot of hype about how all of you fools are going to be rich and statistics that they pull out of their asses. Gene, give it up; the reason you won’t answer the question about how the company is going to orchestrate a viral campaign is because you don’t know. You have no clue how this company is ever going to make you rich; you just like the way they tell you it is going to happen. Plus, if you were to admit what you don’t know you’d have to take the next step and examine what you do know - and that ain’t pretty. You know the company has been around for about six years, it’s track record in Europe is poor (not the success they allude to), it has had an official “launch” in October of 2008 with little change in traffic, it had another “launch” in April 2009 with little change in traffic and there is no apparent activity taking place to change this pace. You are basing your belief in this company on blind trust. Its time you looked at the facts surrounding you and pulled yourself out of denial. Dubli = FAIL
Comment by beavis | May 1st, 2009
Here, eat some Dubli bullshit Gene:
“/24-7PressRelease/ - NAPLES, FL, July 12, 2008 - Discount Marketing Corp and Alfred Luckerbauer, the US representatives for DubLi Network, announced today that DubLi, boasts a spectacular launch in the EU, with record numbers of hits on their online auction platform.”
“think of Wal-Mart and how they have monopolized the shopping market for people because of there lowest prices. Well, the only difference between DubLi and Wal-Mart is DubLi will monopolize the Internet, while Wal-Mart will not.”
“After DubLi’s launch on October 4th in the United States, DubLi has begun to sweep North America and the way people shop online.”
Comment by Gene | May 1st, 2009
Beav why do you doubt it’s success? Please keep your toiletries to yourself. Now if you really pursued a course of a normal being you would be able to get the information you need from the webinars. That’s what they’re for. So you don’t have to do any selling yourself. It’s all spelled out for you. You might find that the auctions were not intended to be a sole entity. Just a bit of tantalizing enjoyment in shopping which only leads to the online store which should be here real soon and if not then I will be concerned. So stop harping on the auctions. MY MY But as of now I will be patient. It’s all in the plan. You know when it comes to a luanch you better go to a webinar to find out what is being spoken of and what phases are launched. That’d be a real good idea. But you’re from another country so maybe there is a problem in translation.
Comment by beavis | May 1st, 2009
Never mind, Gene, I found my own answer. The stupid ass shopping portal is nothing more than a private branded shopping mall owned and administered by MediaNet Group; not something unique that Dubli developed with its supposed expenditure of 80 millllllllion dooooollars for IT. Dubli will be one of approximately 60 clients (how unique). So, where is Dubli going to get it’s clientèle if not from it’s own Ass-ociates? From its auction house, which, in case you haven’t noticed, is sucking wind. Think of a sheep. Think of sheep standing out in the cold. Think of that sheep completely sheared and shivering. That’s you Gene. Dubli = FAIL
Comment by Lazbit | May 1st, 2009
Nice find, Beavis! Oh, Gene, your future is not looking so great my friend. You’re partnering with a firm that’s trading at 10 cents a share with a 27 cent 52-week high/low. The bid price is .04 and the ask price is .18. That’s almost as bad as paying 80 cents for the privilege of lowering the price on an item by 25 cents with a very high probability you won’t win it anyway. Then again, we know that doesn’t bother you, so I’m sure you’ll be thrilled by the new partner. Good luck with that…
But hey, you and the 5 or 10 other people bidding on Xpress items will probably do great with this killer new firm and their 58 other partners.
Go listen to another webinar. I’m sure it will give you comfort.
This is why I keep coming back. It’s like watching a car wreck on the highway. You keep wanting to look away, but it’s hard to help yourself… Just when you think it can’t get more goofy, some new gem like this comes up…
Comment by beavis | May 1st, 2009
MediaNet didn’t even get the Dubli “bump” on its stock price LOL
Oh, this is so sad, but I just can’t stop laughing. “The next eBay” LOL
Comment by Ben Dover | May 2nd, 2009
With a little help from my friends, I checked out some stuff, has anyone actually laid eyes on those buildings that are on the Dubli opportunity video on You Tube, it’s looks sort of photo shopped. if anyone has an actual photo of any one of these Dubli buildings please post an E-mail that i could see them. i can’t find any proof they exist.
Comment by beavis | May 2nd, 2009
The Berlin office is a real building. For all we know they are just renting a PO box there. The picture shown next to the US address is not Dubli’s. Their address matches up with a rather mediocre commercial/industrial location that includes loading docs; at least , that is what Google Earth comes up with. I would estimate the average office size as being 800-1200 square ft. You would not mistake it for eBay’s headquarters
If Dubli has 80 million invested I would say they are counting cocaine and hookers (traveling overseas on investor money can get lonely).
Comment by Ben Dover | May 2nd, 2009
i signed up with dubli last year, a friend called me and told me i had to “act now or i would lose out” $800 later i haven’t heard from him since, i don’t see how anybody could be making any money off this thing. i even bought some items but there was little selection and everytime i clicked it costs me 80 cents, so the ipod nano i purchased costed me about $300.00, and now these guys are sending me E-mails constantly trying to get me to “upgrade” and build a web site for a mere $350.00. their even sending me E-mails about special mother’s day shopping, gimme a break, i haven’t seen one single change since i signed up in september ‘08
Comment by Gene | May 2nd, 2009
Hey Bendover LOL. Hey why not list your website? As if you really have one. Show us. What a joke.
Hey beav check out the new site. Stock sure.
Comment by Ben Dover | May 2nd, 2009
i was simply telling you my experience thus far with Dubli, i don’t have a web site, nor am i as smart as you gene, i’m sure you’ll be a millionaire any day now.
Comment by beavis | May 2nd, 2009
Ben Dover,
Gene knows he screwed the pooch when he invested good money into this joke of company. He is just holding on because what choice does he have? They have his money. I’m not an accountant but you might want to consult one about writing off your investment as a loss on your tax return.
Here is a link so you can shop the mall - without having anything to do with Dubli
http://bsprewards.com/fortune/index.cfm
There you go Dublidiots, your shopping mall, minus your commissions. No exclusivity and not unique in the slightest.
Dubli=FAIL
Comment by Gene | May 3rd, 2009
Well bendover anyone that is an associate gets two websites. If you are a real associate you’d know that.
Beav you’re getting boring. But yes one can write off your package purchase. We did last year. There ya go. JOIN TODAY!
Comment by Gene | May 3rd, 2009
http://bsprewards.com/dubli/index.cfm
Comment by beavis | May 3rd, 2009
Gene,
WAKE UP! It’s over, dude! The shopping mall is nothing unique. They led you on. Don’t you get it? The auctions suck and a rebranded auction site ain’t nothin’. Dubli is a farce, waste of time, waste of money. There is no viable business model with the proven failure of the auction sites and without something to sell other than Dubli credits. Get out of denial. The shopping mall was your last hope and turned out to be nothing special; in fact, it rather common with approx. 60 other identical versions. You told us to wait for the mall; we did and here it is. And what “viral” marketing campaign? What is there to capture the medias attention about this mall or the failing auction site?
DubliFAIL
Dubli=FAILED
Comment by Gene | May 3rd, 2009
Well yes I am surprised. But let’s go back to what I say on my site. But first. We have a mall big guy. You can buy real products there. So much for your failed ideas.
At any rate you need customers. You can have a mall and not have customers and you won’t make any money. Who cares about 60 other sites. How are they getting their customers. I have customers. Why? Because I have drawn them with my auction site. Which is if you listen to my audio on my site is the uniqueness of our online store which is that we have a built in advertising component. Listen again beav. I will continue to build my customer base. It may take months or years but there is potential there. So how would you do it if you were trying to build a customer base? NO denial from me beav. Like Joe Friday said, Just the FACTS ma’am. http://www.buyit4zero.com
Comment by beavis | May 3rd, 2009
The other sites have a customer base and this mall is nothing but a perk with a revenue stream that is secondary to these businesses. Dubli auction statistics show that Dubli has next to no customer base and is not showing any sign of volume growth. When the auctions failed to show volume all the Dublidiots said that it wasn’t important and the new soon-to-be-released shopping mall was the real game changer and future revenue stream generator. Well, its here and while it appears to me to be a decent product for a company with a membership base (employees, credit card holders, etc.) it is no way going to build Dubli into the “next eBay”. Those statements are so laughable now that it defies comprehension that anyone with the facts you now possess would continue to invest time and effort into this farce, much less defend the company. Gene, call your upline and put them on the spot. This is bull; you were mislead and they took your money in a confidence game. Its time to quit allowing them to schmooze you and get mad.
Comment by beavis | May 3rd, 2009
Here is the standard agreement for these shopping malls (see how Dubli benefits from the Dublidiots):
COMPENSATION:
BSP REWARDS PROGRAM: MediaNet shall, upon collection, remit to Member
Provider _1_% of the net Rewards earned by Members through and provided directly
by it, and _1_% of the net Member Rewards received and collected that is earned
through Merchants, Companies, Organizations, Groups and individuals that have
been contracted through Member Provider.
BRAND-A-PORT OR BSP PORTAL SALES: MediaNet shall remit to Member Provider
20% of the price of each Portal sold directly by it.
BSP MONTHLY HOSTING FEES: In addition, MediaNet shall remit to Member
Provider an amount equal to 10% of the hosting fees paid by Buyers who purchase
portals or host websites with MediaNet as a direct result of the activities of
Member Provider, whether those activities are sold through the portal or
independent of it.
Comment by Gene | May 3rd, 2009
It’s just getting started dude. So are you saying we’ll have to make it with our online shop/store/mall without the aid of the auctions? Is that your business expertise?
I was interested in an online store and it doesn’t look bad to me. As far as I know those fees don’t directly affect the associates although they may indirectly but we’ll have to see.
We really don’t even have the shop yet ol beav.
Comment by beavis | May 3rd, 2009
Any of you reading this blog that have considered joining Dubli can now see that this “investment” is a poorly operated scam run by a bunch of ego driven liars. The auctions are a bust and the online shopping mall is a rebranded portal that is run by a company with a burn rate that places its future highly in question. I dare anybody to show otherwise. My statements are verifiable and accurate. Let me ask you Gene, who has been more accurate about Dubli, your upline or me? Have I lied or exaggerated? Have I ignored facts? Honestly ask yourself who tells you the truth, Gene; me or Dubli.
Comment by Gene | May 3rd, 2009
I don’t see any scam here beav. What’s your beef? Maybe you are disapointed in the choice of a shop but it’s a shop none the less.
Comment by beavis | May 3rd, 2009
Actually the shop is decent quality, for what it is. It was not built by Dubli and it cannot drive Dubli to its advertised goals. It appears to me, in all fairness, to be a good add-on to a successful existing business (which Dubli does not possess); it is not a business by itself and surely not going to be the grossly exaggerated game changer of which you have been sold. Gene, where do you think this is going? Do you really see the auctions gaining traction? Do you see this add-on shopping mall model being the next eBay or exceeding Google in stature? It is time for a reality check. This is not what you were sold which is a polite way of saying your were lied to. This business model does not have the potential of doing anything remotely resembling what the liars at Dubli advertised. Think about what I wrote and tell me if you disagree. Also, ask yourself, “who has the best track record of accuracy and disclosure, Dubli or beavis”.
Comment by Lazbit | May 4th, 2009
I’ve uncovered a super secret memo on ‘Phase 3′ of the Dubli success plan. Chocolate. Yes, friends, chocolate. Think about it, in these tough economic times, people need comfort food. And chocolate is the first one they turn to. After the proven success in germany, the multiple viral roll-outs in the U.S., amazing auction traffic that sometimes breaks two figures, and a killer e-commerce site that is so good, 60 other companies are using it… Now comes the _real_ money maker:
http://www.worldsfinestfundraising.com/
Kaching!! 50% profit on each bar sold. How can you beat that? Sure, school kids sell it too, but that just shows that it’s successful. And with the phenomenal reach of Dubli, it will soon topple Nestle, Hersheys, and every other confectioner in our way. How? Reverse chocolate auctions, that’s how. The details are complicated, so just listen to a webinar. It will all become clear.
Comment by beavis | May 4th, 2009
My information must be old. I heard Phase 3 was magazine subscriptions.
Comment by beavis | May 6th, 2009
Dubli webinar claims Dubli will spend $50,000,000 on advertising. I’m going to assume they mean US dollars. To put that into perspective, that’s the approximate ad budget of the new Star Trek movie. The $80,000,000 they claim for software development is approximately the same as the cost to develop World of Warcraft. Boggles the imagination. If we didn’t know they always tell the truth at Dubli one might think they were LYING
Comment by Gene | May 11th, 2009
My store is up and running. Please join me.
Comment by Michael | May 12th, 2009
Has anyone heard of Efusjon - Acai Berry Energy Drink.
It looks like a better opportunity than Dubli!!
Comment by Gene | May 12th, 2009
While your making it with your opportunity be sure to check out my store online.
Comment by beavis | May 12th, 2009
What’s better than a pyramid scheme? Two pyramid schemes! Remember the cardinal rules of pyramid schemes, boys; the ones on the bottom lose and the ones on top have to make enough money to leave the country so the aforementioned can’t get a hold of them.
Comment by Gene | May 12th, 2009
You got it beav
Comment by Gene | May 13th, 2009
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Comment by beavis | May 13th, 2009
Yes, Gene, that is what Dell sells that notebook for on their website; exact same price to the penny. I would then get a $5.47 rewards credit by using your mall. I’m not saying I wouldn’t take the money, but the fact I have to register and accept the money in a restricted form wouldn’t be terribly motivating, either. I honestly don’t think the shopping mall is bad; but you are not going to drive enough traffic through it to be worth your while. What is your cut of $5.47 on what I consider to be a significant purchase and what is you cost to setup and maintain your presence? You would also have to factor in your required yearly fees including token purchase requirements (I don’t consider being part of the auctions a benefit because, well, the auctions suck).
Comment by Gene | May 13th, 2009
We get a percentage of all sales on our site. We also make money on selling credits. Grant it that the auctions aren’t going that great yet but my hope is that they will. The auctions are not the main point it’s just something we have other than other online stores. The prices go down in the auctions. Even if the starting price is the same other places the potential of a savings is still there. From what I understand the starting prices will begin to be cheaper than anywhere on the net.So right off the bat you could get a savings. But can you imagine saving up to 90%? And with the zero auctions you can get new products for the credits you spend and the shipping cost. It is not a big deal to register. I had to give much more info to get into a social network. Just go to my site and see.
Comment by Gene | May 13th, 2009
To be more specific beav. An associate earns 10 to 25 percent of that $5.47. You can do the math. The nice thing about the company is the viral nature of customer acquisition. It grows on it’s own unlike other networking companies where you must continue to recruit. Now with 1,000’s of customers and growing that could mean some change. Also you can benefit from any other associates customers in your organization. Pretty cool!
Comment by beavis | May 13th, 2009
You missed the part about what it cost to participate on your end, Gene.I actually don’t begrudge the mall as it is actually somewhat viable in that it does offer something of value to the consumer. I just don’t think it works the way Dubli is selling it to you as the overhead of buying the right to collect your overrides is more than what you will reasonably earn. If you were an association like a credit union with 1000’s of members, the mall would make sense and that is what Maedianet intended it for. Also, I think you overestimate what you are geting paid by Dubli. Medianet’s compensation plan is as follows:
“BSP REWARDS PROGRAM: MediaNet shall, upon collection, remit to Member
Provider _1_% of the net Rewards earned by Members through and provided directly
by it, and _1_% of the net Member Rewards received and collected that is earned
through Merchants, Companies, Organizations, Groups and individuals that have
been contracted through Member Provider. ”
Your compensation would be between 5 and 6 cents on this transaction. I think you are severely underestimating how much business you have to create in order to make a profit. In order to make money you will have to recruit associates, not sell product. You have bought into a pyramid scheme, Gene; that’s how they work. As far as the viral nature of the company, I don’t see it. Auction growth, as we both know, is not happening. That leaves the mall which is already established and while I assume they are doing OK with it, it is not a Dubli exclusive and it won’t make an individual rich as that is not what it is geared for. So, what is Dubli going to do tom make something happen? I’ve on pro-Dubli blogs that they will spend $50,000,000 on advertising to launch this. I personally think that $5,000 would be on the high side for this company as I don’t believe they are rich; I don’t believe they hang with the ultra-wealthy and I don’t believe they have anywhere near the investment in this project as they claim.
Gene, I joined this blog a couple of months ago and the big thing was “wait for the launch on April 4th”. When they had their meeting in Scotsdale, Dubli execs said “by the end of April”. this company is not delivering on the revenues. they don’t have a significant revenue stream from anybody except those they talk into becoming associates. You need to confront these people and demand to know what is their business plan, in full, along with the timetable that is supposed to make you money. Right now you have nothing from them that will that except talking other people into buying Gold packages.
Comment by Gene | May 14th, 2009
I am glad you like the mall but I know you don’t know what you’re talking about beav. Don’t you like pyramid schemes beav? Better not get in one. I’m not in one! The nice thing about this business once it’s going it’s growing on it’s own. That’s the viral nature. So I am not severely underestimating how much business I have to create and you seem to miss this point.You don’t have to see the viral nature of the business. You’re not in it. So what! Who said the company would have an exclusive mall? We have unique auctions. Listen to my audio. You don’t seem to learn easily. People can make extra money with the company in time. No scam here beav. Just honest business. If I want to make 50 cents or a dollar a sale that’s my business isn’t it? They do add up. What I told you on percentages is the fact, you’re bewildered. Stop twisting the facts. What’s wrong with talking other people into buying packages. They can turn them around and make money in the process? Your ideas have not been consistent.
Shopping Mall Commissions
Your personal customers will access the Shopping Mall from the link on your auction site. Each item in the shopping mall has a % discount and the discount is noted on the same line following the description of the item. This percentage of the total price of the item is the amount of available commissionable dollars.
For example let’s say an item costs $100.00 and there is a 5% discount. Actually that’s a pretty good discount and most are not that high but some are higher from what I can see. That means that the customer will receive a $5.00 rebate at the end of the month that they can choose to load on their own “Load and Spend” Debit Card. They can use this card anywhere they want that a Master Card or Discover card is accepted. The commissions will be earned as follows:
When a personal customer of a BA (title of TM and higher) purchases an item in the Shopping Mall, the BA will earn a 10% commission. Let’s use the same example from above where the customer rebate is $5.00.
10% of $5.00 = a commission of $ .50 or if you get 25% it’s
$1.25 of that $5.00 if you are at the VP level.
You can kind of look at it as pay per click. After all it’s going on and you have nothing to do with it once set in motion except to provide credits for those who want to do the auctions. You’ll have to have credits you know.
The company takes enormous pride in its worldwide trading platform that features the best name brand products, produced by the world’s leading manufacturers, for far less money than you can buy anywhere else and at the same time makes it a fun experience for all. We invite you to join us today and begin a new chapter in creating a lifestyle one can only imagine.
Comment by Gene | May 14th, 2009
HP EliteBook 6930pValue: $1,170.50
Ended: 05.09.2009
Sold for: $848.00
See for yourself beav in the auctions you think
suck. LOL It took 1290 click of 25 cents multiply
by 55 cents = $709.50 goes into the bonus pool for the associates.
Try this one which finishe a couple of days ago. Boy do the auctions suck. $145.45 savings opps you have to factor in some credits at 80 cents. If this person used $8.00 worth of credits then it’s a savings of only a mere $137.45.
iPod nano- chromatic 16 GB silverValue: $174.95
Ended: 05.12.2009
Sold for: $29.50
Comment by CU | May 14th, 2009
If I play slots and win, that doesn’t mean the machines are generally a good deal for players. The fact that they may be a good deal for the owner doesn’t necessarily make them legal.
As for the shopping mall, why would anyone invest in an operation (Dubli) that only offers a facade? MediaNet has the relationships with the vendors. They have the technology. If you think the mall is a good idea, invest in MediaNet instead.
However, as interesting as the mall is, I don’t recommend investing in MediaNet either. In support of beavis’ point, the company’s auditors have stated two years running “that there are certain factors which raise substantial doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern.” Anyone investing in MediaNet at this point should be considering a substantial stake, a role in management and a plan for turn-around.
Comment by beavis | May 14th, 2009
Gene,
Medianet pays a 1% of the rebate as gross commission to the Member Provider which is Dubli. You get a percentage of that. Based on your example of a $100 purchase with a 5% rebate, Dubli would collect 1% of $5.00 which is 5 cents. Now I don’t know what your payout is but if it is 5% then you would earn 1/4 of a cent on that $100 dollar purchase. If you have a different arrangement please share it with us. Also, you never told us what the cost was to set up a mall of your own.
And your computer auction example: my guess it is all of you Gold package fools using up worthless tokens. You’re lining Dubli pockets and screwing yourselves. I guess that is a good thing, though; it is preparing you for the inevitable collapse of the pyramid.
Comment by Gene | May 14th, 2009
Beavis,
You are full of it. I just told you what it is. Go back and read it. It doesn’t matter what you think beav you’re just in the business of tearing down other peoples business. My mall cost me nothing more than I’ve already invested. It doesn’t matter who uses up the tokens does it? The prices still go down and people get good deals. Products are being moved. It’s a real business. Too bad you’re too unwilling to see. Aren’t pyramids still standing today. LOL Go to my site and read the pay plan. It’s there for you to read. See if you can find your way to this, http://www.dublinetwork.com/1-23/comp_plan_overview
Comment by Lazbit | May 15th, 2009
Sorry, Gene, but it all comes back to the basics:
Your sad auction site had 6 completed Xpress auctions yesterday.
The MediaNet stores, which can be started by anyone without the need to go through Dubli, offer fairly unremarkable prices and tiny commissions. I seriously doubt any new Dubli associate would ever make back their initial investment in credits.
The ’shopping portal’ that was supposed to really set the world on fire turned out to be lame franchise of an existing firm. It’s the equivalent of Burger King’s expansion strategy being to buy McDonald’s franchises. But I guess Dubli can’t create something original with all those millions of programming/infrastructure/marketing dollars we kept hearing about. It doesn’t exactly inspire trust or confidence in the business savvy of the folks running the show.
It all goes back to what’s been argued all along: the only real money being made is from saps recruiting new saps until it all eventually falls apart - just like every other pyramid.
Comment by beavis | May 15th, 2009
Gene,
You’re right! The commission is as you said and I was wrong. It doesn’t mean Dubli works because the commissions are still too small; but at least I can admit when I’m wrong.
Lazbit,
“It’s the equivalent of Burger King’s expansion strategy being to buy McDonald’s franchises.”
I think it is more like Tommy’s Burgers buying McDougal’s (”Home of the Golden Arcs”).
Comment by Charlie | May 16th, 2009
Just for the record my last comment was number 763, so who ever is really in charge of this site, please don’t let anyone post comments with my name or my E-mail, I am especially not responsible for comment 787 I will not be posting any more. Thank You
Comment by Gene | May 16th, 2009
You see anyone can have an online store but if you can’t generate any traffic it doesn’t matter what you sell. We sell just about anything you can find on the net worthwhile. If people think we have to be a manufacturer and come up with new products to sell that’s just stupid. With that being said our mall works just fine. Although I am into free enterprise and we do need to come up with new products that can benefit mankind. We should not be satisfied with the status quo. Thus we have auctions where when the masses discover them and see that our prices go down instead of up they will see the value. Just because some stupid ideas float around that auctions aren’t working just shows the ignorance of those business bashers that don’t want anyone to succeed in something viable even though it’s just developing. Our job is to get this great info to the masses and let them determine for themselves value without being influenced by some dopes that think they got all your answers. The nice thing for any that want to try the auctions is that in our promotions we are willing to give away credits so you can try the auctions to see if you can find any value with them. Now how cool is that? You’re not out anything to familiarize yourself with our auctions and shopping mall. If you don’t want to do the auction and want to benefit from the rewards mall shopping program just click shop and forgo the auctions. Just register and you will have access to both the auctions and the shopping mall. Have fun!
Comment by Daneel | May 16th, 2009
Why am I not able to post here?
Comment by Joel | May 16th, 2009
Sounds pretty cool Gene I will check it out!!
Comment by Gene | May 16th, 2009
OK Joel let me know if you have any questions.
Comment by undercoverbeavis | May 16th, 2009
Me too, Gene!! Can I have a straw with my KoolAide?
Comment by Gene | May 16th, 2009
Oh check the auctions undercover~~~~
Comment by undercoverbeavis | May 17th, 2009
OK, Xpress auction sold less than $1,600 retail value worth of merchandise yesterday, Zero auction did less than $400 and Unique Bid less than $1.300. I actually had to use some of my toes to count the completed auction (15; “WOOHOO!”). Are you happy, Gene?
Remember:
“The more you bid, the less you’re worth!”
Comment by Gene | May 17th, 2009
Beav so what. Are you counting. It makes no difference. It’s still a viable business. Beav Remember
“The more you you think you know the more people can see it.”
Comment by Gene | May 17th, 2009
Are you Happy beav?
Comment by Lazbit | May 18th, 2009
I understand that building traffic takes a bit of time, Gene — but you’ve had since October 4th (read back to comment 11). You’re close to 9 months out, and your traffic continues to be dismal. By way of comparison — when eBay first launched more than 10 years ago, within it’s first 9 months, it had thousands of listings and tens of thousands of bids. They had a difficult time buying enough servers and optimizing their auction platform to keep up with the growth — with a far smaller number of Internet users (according to Pew research, only 15% of the US population was online when eBay launched - 80% of the population is online now). Even after giving away credits and the so called second launch, you’re barely able to break double digits.
I’ll give any new business the benefit of the doubt, but if all you can manage after 9 months of heavy promotion is 15 closed auctions… After all the webinars / spamming / chest beating that Dubli has done… That’s just embarrassingly sad.
Comment by beavis | May 18th, 2009
Nothing like following the self-proclaimed geniuses into the abyss.
Comment by Gene | May 18th, 2009
It’s no the auctions stupid.
Comment by Gene | May 18th, 2009
You guys make me so sick. Bash bash bash that’s all you do. Even when you know it not a scam. It’s not the auctions stupid.
Comment by beavis | May 18th, 2009
Gene,
We know it’s not the auctions; I know hookers that bring in more bank than Dubli auctions do. And the rened shopping mal? Please! So, “yes”, Gene, we all know its none of the aforementioned. It’s the pyramid; for as long as it lasts. Christ, a monkey can figure out this “business” scam, I mean, plan.
Comment by Eleuterio | May 19th, 2009
The Spanish version of Dubli is also SCUM.
A friend paid 500€ to become a promoter and he’s still brainwashed into a sort of religion to believe without proof or profits.
Comment by Lazbit | May 19th, 2009
All along we’ve heard the auctions would draw the traffic, then traffic would go to the shopping portal. Then the bucks would roll in.
After 9 months (which is eons in the e-commerce world), you don’t have traffic at the auctions. And the shopping portal, run by a dying penny stock 3rd party, offers a tiny cut of the profit they make. If you had insane traffic, that might work - but you don’t. And you won’t if the auction site is your only draw.
With no feasible business plan, the only thing left is fleecing people who aren’t aware of just how broken the whole thing is. Just like Spain. And Germany. And soon China, when it falls apart here, just as it has elsewhere.
Comment by Eugene | May 19th, 2009
Eaglescout et. al — thanks for an entertaining afternoon!
I’d never heard of Dubli before this (which speaks volumes, I suppose, for how effective their promotion strategy has been), and I stumbled across this discussion in an interesting way.
One of the major people behind Dubli in the U.S. (if the early press releases are any indications) is a Floridian named Alfred Luckerbauer. It would seem that Mr. Luckerbauer put down a deposit on a prospective flying car known as a Moller M400 Skycar (see Wikipedia for details). Anyway, Mr. Luckerbauer filed a report on Ripoff Report (see http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/450/ripoff0450200.htm) about not being able to get his deposit back from Moller International. I found out about Dubli (and this exchange) by looking up Alfred Luckerbauer in Google.
Could it be that one scammer has been fleeced by another?
Comment by Gene | May 19th, 2009
Same song and dance which is erroneous. Come on be a little more creative boys. You want to have an online store and make money while you sleep. Get in while the getting is good. Or just dream about it. Or believe these real smart guys here on this blog. They have real business acumen. LOL they only wish they could have come up with the reverse auctions themselves. It is easy to tear down. It’s much more work to build. We are still in the building stages I don’t care how these jokers frame things.
Comment by beavis | May 20th, 2009
“We are still in the building stages I don’t care how these jokers frame things.”
Well, then build it! Stop having your happy meetings, quit telling everyone how you’re the “next eBay”, stop having launch after relaunch; enough talk; prove it! Dubli auctions suck; the mall is an afterthought; the corporate offices are a joke; the claims of Dubli corporate of their financial commitment is complete and utter bull. Just shut up and do something! The stupid company is six years old and does less business than a pimp with a mediocre stable and yet you followers still believe that somehow, someway Dubli will pull a miracle out of its ass that will make you wealthy while not having to work and for that you gave them $3,200 with nothing more than an unsupported story of success in Europe base on what has proven to be an unsuccessful auction concept and a rented mall site that pays low commissions and has no substantial track record especially when it is compared to eBay. You didn’t even get financials on these clowns; you just listened and believed. they literally paraded it around in your face that their financial advisors were in the business of hiding money in offshore accounts and they new you would be too stupid to figure it out; “Offshore Investment Brokers”, what do you think that means? I’m sure they are laughing their asses of at you sheep as they shear you. Dubli=FAIL
Comment by Gene | May 20th, 2009
beav,
Do we tell you how to run your business. It’s none of your business how we do it. The company is only months old here in the US and you are not even here are you? Not even a year. Ever hear this before? It’s the economy stupid. Now I am not calling anyone stupid but if the shoe fits you have to know enough where to put it. beav=FAIL you failed to prove anything about the company being a scam yet it is still here going strong and building. We beav keep on this merry-go-round of hyped reports of a scam. You just like to see your failed ideas in print. No I didn’t get any financials. Can you? I just know it’s a great concept and I stuck my neck out cause I have this supernatural belief as you seem to paint it, that it will succeed. If it doesn’t then I didn’t lose my house. Bad mouth bad mouth that’s all you do. Buy in my auctions and buy in my shop. You will get your products in a reasonable time, save money, get reward points in my second rate shop as you seem to think of it. I don’t know of another shop that could do any better do you and don’t tell me ebay? LOL Get a life beav! We have a successfully operating business that will be a spectacle. Products are being moved and if you don’t like the volume then jump in and work the business yourself. Off shore investments are a pretty good place to be while you think of what’s happening with money domestically. We need to have more launches because we have more coming. Isn’t that what you do? Well then build it. I’ve been building it. Why don’t you just shut up then. That could help. I’ve already shown how you’ve tried to distort the comp plan. Yes we do try to bring on associates and yes we get paid for our efforts but there will come a time when that will slow down. But it’s still a good opportunity now.
Comment by Gene | May 20th, 2009
Here ya go beave try this out for size. New launch,
Best Price Guarantee: always the lowest price
Customers have lots of options where to purchase the things they are looking for. Price is one of the biggest reasons people choose to purchase at a particular store or internet site. Our goal at DubLi is to make sure that our price is truly the best price you can find anywhere. We are so sure of this that we are willing to give you a Price Protection Guarantee.
If you find a competitor who has the same product at a lower price than ours, within two weeks after you have purchased the item from us, we will not only match their price but also credit your account with 10% of the difference. For example you purchase an item from us at $100 and you find another vendor who has the same product and is advertising it for $90, we will credit you the $10 difference plus an additional $1.00 for a total of $11.00.
Now how great is that beav?
Comment by Gene | May 20th, 2009
* This policy applies to advertised prices only. It applies only to items sold in the auction portals at DubLi.com. It does not apply to items sold in the shopping mall. Items must be identical models. It does not apply to closeouts, bonus or free offers, financing offers, mail-in rebates, returned open merchandise, used products, or similar special conditions.
Comment by Dave | May 20th, 2009
For our dear, sweet Gene:
“…going strong and building…” ?
“…successfully operating business that will be a spectacle.” ?
Okay, I’ll agree with the “spectacle” part (though probably not in the vein you’d hoped).
I’ve just spent the better part of the afternoon wading through everyone’s diatribes…a giggle here, a guffaw there…
Gene reminds me of my “simple” cousin, Dell: smiling and upbeat and almost painfully optimistic — but every 3rd statement or assertion is just bonkers. Can’t hate, ’cause he’s not malicious. Can’t argue, ’cause it’s like saying, “Put on your raincoat” and hearing the reply, “I don’t like cheese crackers.”
Feels like eaglescout started out wanting to inform the public of inconsistencies in DubLi’s set-up; the resulting fallout has been the equivalent of a “rascist” claim to a criticism of Pres. Obama’s policy missteps.
“Due diligence,” folks. If it stinks, walk around it. If it’s an acceptable risk, dive right in and ignore (Gene, that’s “pay no attention to”) the rest.
Comment by Gene | May 20th, 2009
For our dear tweet Dave, WHAT? Another parrot.
Comment by beavis | May 20th, 2009
“* This policy applies to advertised prices only. It applies only to items sold in the auction portals at DubLi.com. It does not apply to items sold in the shopping mall. Items must be identical models. It does not apply to closeouts, bonus or free offers, financing offers, mail-in rebates, returned open merchandise, used products, or similar special conditions.”
You fucking moron, you are insulting our intelligence with this. Of course the auction prices are lower; the money for Dubli is in getting the prices lower with the stupid 80 cent tokens reducing the price only 25 cents. So your shopping mall doesn’t offer this? I thought the shopping mall was supposed to have “the lowest prices on the Internet”. Once again a refusal to back up the overinflated hype. Dubli sucks, the auctions suck, the mall is mediocre and you are a fooooooooooooooooooool, Gene. Let’s all join Gene by giving $3200 to strangers who tell us happy stories of us getting our long deserved wealth with little effort. You’re making it hard for us to look out for the “short bus” people, Gene.
Comment by CU | May 21st, 2009
It’s hard to take seriously a “Best Price Guarantee” that has no place in an auction. In fact, it has no relevance to the Zero auction and makes the Xpress auction pointless. The Xpress auction becomes unsustainable, unless the purpose is to push traffic in order to sell more BA licenses… re-enter the pyramid.
Comment by Gene | May 21st, 2009
Why such a hair brain comment CU? Customers have lots of options where to purchase the things they are looking for. Price is one of the biggest reasons people choose to purchase at a particular store or Internet site. If we can give them the best deals they will always come back.
Yes we want more BA licenses sold. The more the merrier. We’ll get more customers and the prices will fall faster. You hit the nail on the head there, “to push more traffic” for both ventures to acquire customers and associates. dah. You must see the value here CU.
Of course it’s all the auctions that apply. A starting price is a starting price. It certainly does affect all the auctions in terms of revenue earned. If a pyramid let it be stopped. But really you have no case. This is a store and it’s online and we have auctions to drive customers to our store. Silly silly! Another parrot
Comment by JoeV | May 21st, 2009
Not to interrupt the debate but I saw that a person over at answerpatrol.com was asking how to get some free dubli credits. I’m sure someone here can help him out. Here is the direct link: http://www.answerpatrol.com/questions.php?cat=Dubli
by the way, whats up with the shopping mall??? looks like an affiliate link page to me not a mall.
Comment by Gene | May 21st, 2009
JoeV just send them to my site. Click on my name above and you will get to it.
Comment by beavis | May 21st, 2009
You can give me free tokens, Gene. I’ll treat them for what they’re worth.
Comment by Gene | May 21st, 2009
Beav if you like some credits just go to my site fill out the form and register for the auctions and you’ll get some. Simple as that. Oh and they could be worth a lot to you. If you use them.
Comment by CU | May 22nd, 2009
Shall I type slowly for you, Gene? Applying the price guarantee to the Xpress auction. The smart consumers will find the cheapest price on the web or in stores for an item offered by Dubli, bid one token at Dubli, buy the item for 25 cents off retail, then collect the difference + 10% from Dubli. Such a model isn’t sustainable, unless it drives revenue from other sources.
Since a customer only needs to us one token per purchase to make this work, it effectively kills the auction format. There is no incentive for customers to purchase tokens in volume. Token sale revenue from customers will be minimal.
That leaves only the BA licenses as a potential significant revenue stream. Thus you have a pyramid scheme.
If you still don’t understand, look up the definition of a pyramid in various state laws. Most of them use the same verbage. …and if you still don’t understand, I guess I’m not surprised. After all, you already bought into Dubli.
Comment by beavis | May 22nd, 2009
“Shall I type slowly for you, Gene? Applying the price guarantee to the Xpress auction. The smart consumers will find the cheapest price on the web or in stores for an item offered by Dubli, bid one token at Dubli, buy the item for 25 cents off retail, then collect the difference + 10% from Dubli. Such a model isn’t sustainable, unless it drives revenue from other sources.”
I LIKE IT!!! Only fly in the ointment is you would have to trust Dubli to honor the price guarantee. I don’t know if i would do that but it sure shoots a big, fat hole in their price guarantee model. Dubli=FAIL
Comment by Gene | May 22nd, 2009
Hey CU what’s a token? I think the state laws have been covered here or do I need to speak slooowly? If you can find a better price after you buy with me have at it. I don’t worry about the auctions being sustainable. That’s not my business. You guys are having a rough time aren’t you? If you’re going to collect the difference plus 10% you’re going to have to find a cheaper price within the allotted time. If you think you can make money doing it then go for it. But you’ll have to buy from one of us first.
Comment by Lazbit | May 22nd, 2009
It keeps coming back to the basics: First post in this thread: September 27th, 2008. As of May 21st, 2009, a whopping 8 Xpress auctions were completed. 8 months of hype and development for a volume of 8 auctions. And, again, this will be the basis of all that traffic Dubli will drive to it’s (affiliate) online mall. ::cough::
You’re failing miserably, you need a game changer, and the price guarantee isn’t it. Seriously Gene, give Amway, MonaVie or something else a go. Aren’t you just a little embarrassed trying to talk people in to this dog of a pyramid? Do you really feel happy looking in the mirror after you’ve talked some poor sap who’s down on his luck into sinking what little money he has left into Failbli?
Comment by beavis | May 22nd, 2009
Where is our favorite sociopath, “jamison”?
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Comment by eaglescout | May 24th, 2009
Maybe he is the one posting these pingbacks and advertising Acai Berry Juice, though I would bet on Gene.
Comment by Well Well | May 24th, 2009
what’s the big deal eagle? I can’t sell some stuff here?
Comment by beavis | May 24th, 2009
Well Well,
Try here http://www.liveliberty.ws/Credits
This idiot will sign up for anything.
Comment by Well Well | May 25th, 2009
Beav great and thanks for your support.
Comment by Well Well | May 25th, 2009
Beav check this out. http://tourchaga.com/BETA-GLUCAN%20MOVIE.asx
Comment by Well Well | May 25th, 2009
Eagle are you making any money yet. I know you’re getting some good rankings. Beav depending on your perspective you may get a kick out of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYuRs7qRBJo&feature=related
If you need any help with your system well well has the answer.
Comment by beavis | May 25th, 2009
Thank god Beer has Beta-Gloucan. I’m having a sixer for breakfast!
Comment by Well Well | May 25th, 2009
Isn’t the something! I never new that beav. What kind is the best? LOL Jungle sludge.
Comment by beavis | May 25th, 2009
You’re thinking of those stupid, grossly overpriced berry drinks. We’re talking the Nectar of the Gods, here. Beer, ummmmmmmmm. . . unless you have some single malt scotch; then screw the Beta-Gloucan.
Comment by Well Well | May 25th, 2009
Oh I see your talking Jungle suds! Yeah!
Comment by Well Well | May 27th, 2009
Hey beav we’ve got the educational channel going here.
Beta glucan is a complex carbohydrate of glucose, a simple sugar. It can be derived from several sources, including yeast, bacteria, fungi, and cereals such as oats, barley, and rye.
Each type of beta glucan has a unique structure in which glucose is linked together in different ways, giving them distinctive physical properties. For example, yeast beta glucan is branched with beta 1,6 and beta 1,3 glucans, enhancing its ability to bind and stimulate macrophages.
The chemical structure of beta 1,3 glucan is dependent on the source. Based on extensive published research, it is widely accepted that the beta 1,3 glucan derived from baker’s yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) is the most potent anti-infective beta glucan immunomodulator.
Comment by beavis | May 27th, 2009
I tried those lines in a Vegas bar, but I think I blew it with the the beta 1,6 approach; I’ll try beta 1,3 next time. It’s so hard to get laid with this stuff that I’m getting to think I’m doing something wrong.
Comment by eaglescout | May 28th, 2009
Beavis, may I recommend buying this shirt instead?
Comment by beavis | May 28th, 2009
eaglescout,
WOLVES!!!!! Why didn’t I think of that! Is there a multi-level marketing prospect here for wolf products so I can get rich with little effort as long as I blindly trust you with upfront money?
Comment by Gene | May 29th, 2009
Beav how much effort do you suggest is needed to
get rich? You make no or little sense if you want to get
rich why cry wolf just join a company that has auctions
where you can make money 24/7 with little effort.
Comment by beavis | May 30th, 2009
You mean spend money to join a company that has auctions, Gene. Remember the $3,199 to buy your gold Package and then the storefront costs. Do you know how much blow I could snort off of a hooker’s ass with that much money? Trust me, it would be a better investment then Dubli.
Comment by Gene | May 30th, 2009
You’re not one to be trusted. You’re busted.
Comment by beavis | May 30th, 2009
Here
http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/id-rather-be-snorting-cocaine-off-a-hookers-ass/
if you can’t afford the real thing after investing in Dubli.
Comment by Xray_vision | June 1st, 2009
I have to tell you first hand the guy they put in charge in the U.S. has a LONG history of scams. Jonathan Gulla has been into every MLM scheme that has come down the pike since the 1970’s. I got involved with him in a MLM in the early 90’s and lost my money and he skipped town to keep from getting lynched by the others he stole from. Everything this smooth talker promised was a bold face lie. He is such a great conman he makes you believe every single lie he tells. IF they are hard up for this caliber of Con they must be in trouble already….
Ray
Comment by undercoverbeavis | June 4th, 2009
Xray_vision,
I see; Dubli has experienced management. Go Dumbli. . . er. . . dubli.
Comment by eaglescout | June 5th, 2009
Thank you, X-ray,
Jonathan Gulla didn’t come up in my initial investigation (even though he’s apparently been with DubLi since 2008).
Here is some information on Gulla:
PDI Clinical Labs - Mail and Wire Fraud, 2001
Capital Credit - Fake Credit cards, 1999-2000
In 1999, Gulla sells Lancer International (Nevada) to StarTronix International (Delaware) in exchange for $50,000 cash and $673,000 in stock. Becomes COO of STNX.
(StarTronix was targeted by law enforcement during Operation Missed Fortune for being a pyramid scheme in 1996).
PDI Clinical Labs ad:
Is DubLi management incompetent, or is there a shortage of experienced scammers with clean records?
Comment by beavis | June 6th, 2009
“Is DubLi management incompetent, or is there a shortage of experienced scammers with clean records?”
People like Jamison and Gene don’t do background checks or research, so Dubli still survives (though barely). They just buy in and talk their friends and relatives into doing the same. Then they try to belittle those who do the research and claim that we don’t have their business acumen. It kind of comical in a sad, pathetic kind of way.
Comment by TW | June 8th, 2009
I have been looking at Dubli for some time now and trying to determine the viability of this company and business opportunity. Unfortunately, it has seemed difficult at times to really get straight answers and facts among the banter and and speculation. However, I just ran across this website that seems to offer some real information worth considering. All I can say after viewing this and reading the content contained within the page is “buyer beware.”
http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2009/05/18/are-dubli-and-dubli-network-legit-mlm-business-opportunities-or-scams/
Comment by eaglescout | June 8th, 2009
TW, It’s a good page, unfortunately Troy Dooly seems to be selling similar MLM “opportunities”.
Comment by beavis | June 8th, 2009
The site has some good facts but the author is not too astute. Dubli may be a ripoff, but there are a few things it is not. It is not a money laundering operation. It may utilize money laundering techniques in the future to repatriate money hidden in offshore accounts if it is shut down and judgments rendered, but it is not in the business of laundering money. Cash businesses are utilized for laundering money (the Mafia used pizza restaurants for that purpose). Money laundering is the act of taking “dirty money” and making it appear to be legit. To my knowledge there is no link to Dubli doing this kind of business. They just bend over their ass-ociates.
Comment by TW | June 9th, 2009
Eaglescout,
I see some marketing tools, services and resources promoted on Troy’s page, but I don’t see any similar “opportunities” (which I assume you’re referring to MLM’s) promoted there. Can you clarify?
Comment by eaglescout | June 10th, 2009
Sure, TW. I see http://www.mlmleads.com/ advertised there. Troy Dooly appears in one of the videos promoting the site. I don’t think Troy Dooly is malicious in intent, but the “services” he offers are difficult to distinguish from those he criticizes.
Comment by TW | June 10th, 2009
He does seem to be an advocate for the MLM industry, hence the promotion of marketing tools such as leads. However, there’s not a direct promotion of any particular MLM going on there, from what I can see.
He just posted an update to his last report:
http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2009/06/09/dubli-network-mlm-scam-or-legitimate-mlm-business-update/
Comment by Troy Dooly | June 10th, 2009
Hey all I want to set the record straight for all who have not read my bio at MLMHelpDesk.com.
Yes, I am an advocate for MLM. I am a founding member od the Distributor’s Rights Association, and have enjoyed a great life within the profession.
I do have an equity stake in MLMLeads.com and several other support services within MLM, and have made money off of DubLi reps buying leads and other services.
However, I DO NOT, nor have I ever promoted my personal MLM Business at MLMHelpDesk.com, nor do I bad talk companies just to further my own business, as is well documented at MLMHelpDesk.com.
As I have written, I have no personal agenda against DubLi or any of it’s companies, founder, partners or sales force. As a matter of fact, one of my personal mentors is a top leader in the company, and had I joined I would have benefited from our relationship.
I just want reps to fully understand what they are getting into. As I have written several times, “in the end only a court of law can decide.”
I hate watching good people get drawn into legal battles when the FTC goes after companies, let alone average distributors who get a bad taste in their mouth, when a company is found to be a scam, and slam the whole profession as bad.
I have posted twice now on DubLi and will gladly write a rebutted if and when the facts I presented are disputed with cold hard documents. My facts came from the DubLi websites, and from interviewing some of their top leaders.
I also made it very clear what was my personal opinion and what was facts. In all the posts I have read on DubLi, I do believe mine have been the most factual, with links to all the questions I raise.
In closing, I have also written positive articles on companies and leaders in which I have no part, and have publicly apologized when my facts were shown to be wrong, or have changed.
My life is an open book, so you should have no problem verifying what I write to see where I stand on what I believe to be the greatest profession in the world.
And to the Admin here at TheSpinFactor.com… Keep up the great debates!
Never Give Up,
Troy
Comment by eaglescout | June 11th, 2009
Troy Dooly, thank you for the clarifications.
My criticism thus far is that it is difficult to distinguish from the “good” MLMs you advocate and the “bad” MLMs that you criticize. It doesn’t matter to me if you promote it directly or indirectly; I don’t think it makes much of a difference.
I don’t know if DubLi is currently a money-laundering scheme or not; I’m not currently challenging the accuracy of your blog posts.
Comment by beavis | June 11th, 2009
A “good MLM” is a dead MLM. When is the last time you saw an MLM that wasn’t a thinly disguised pyramid scheme? No, stop, I didn’t mean to ask that question. Please don’t tell me about your very legitimate (insert: “vitamin supplement”, “water conditioner”, “vacuum cleaner”, “hamster juice”, etc.) product. There is a reason Walmart doesn’t have it. Oh, crap, now you are going to tell me about the conspiracy to suppress your product by (insert: “the Surgeon General”, “FDA”, “CIA” or the always guilty “them”) or the story of the magnanimous inventor who wants to share it with the world by keeping the price down by directly marketing the prouct. Or, better yet, stick it to the smug bastards at eBay and Amazon with a fool proof idea to sell the public on a unique, reverse auction that is too sophisticated for anyone to sell except those that have foresight, perseverance and $3199 to invest.
Comment by kees | June 12th, 2009
Hi, I have (only) read though the first 300 or so of posts here and/but I have done some searching on google about Dubli, and lots of times I see the cheerleaders mention something about the ‘big success’ of Dubli in Europe and about the ‘proven’ business model there, etc.
Also I see how high the hopes of these cheerleaders are for the recent launch of Dubli in the US.
But when I look at the EU and US Dubli sites (http://eu.dubli.com and http://us.dubli.com) I don’t see a lot of activity there regarding ‘current auctions’ and ‘completed auctions’.
When I look at the 3 different models (Xpress, Zer0,- and Unique Bid) I see Xpress has the highest number of auctions on both the EU and US sites. So I guess that means the Xpress modality is the most popular.
But even then, the total number of ‘current auctions’ (Xpress) on the US site is only 156 (at this moment that I write) and the ‘completed auctions’ show an average of about 10 per day.
That’s not much. How long has the US site been active? Since October 2008, no? Doesn’t look like the past 8 months have generated a lot of buyers.
The situation on the ‘very succesful and proven’ EU site is even worse:
number of ‘current auctions’ is 101, and ‘completed auctions’ show an average of 1 or 2 per day. How can these results be described as ’succesful’ and ‘proven’?
It hardly sounds like this is gonna be ‘THE busssiness opportunity of the 21st Century’…
Also I don’t understand why I, as a potential buyer, would want to go to a Dubli ‘Business Associates’ (BA) site (with domain-name like ‘us.dubli.com/BA-NUMBER) to do my browsing/shopping/buying when I can go directly to the eu.dubli.com or us.dubli.com sites and buy my credits there (if I would want to)? …thus eliminating any BA (Business Associate) commissons in the process… and thus undermining the promised income for these BA’s…
And worse: it appears there is not even a search-engine on the sites!
In my opinion this is MUST-no1 on a site that wants/needs buyers or even just browsers to look at the products being offered.
Additionaly: if Dubli is such a hot and new ‘THE opportunity of the 21st Century’ company, where are the serious (and independent) business press reports or stories about Dubli?
For example, has Dubli ever been mentioned in any of the ecommerce blogs, like those from John ColderICE, Ina Steiner or Seeking Alpha (to name only a few)?
Am I missing something here?
(thanks eaglescout for this blog, great info here, from ‘both sides’)
(and sorry for any spelling/grammar errors, I’m not a native speaker and I don’t have any spell-checker installed
Comment by Troy Dooly | June 12th, 2009
Eagle Scout,
You do bring up a great point on “good” .vs “bad” and I am not sure I can clarify the difference since the words “good” and “bad” can be very subjective with it comes to mlm and politics :).
What I can do, is share some case law showing the difference between a legitimate MLM/Network Marketing compensation plan and what is classified as illegal.
I have found that most people who are proponents of MLM/Network Marketing and even critics really do not understand what they are talking about with it comes to these terms.
I also agree with you on the fact we do not know if DubLi is opporating as a “money Laundering Scheme” under current US laws, only a court of law will be able to make that determination.
Thank you for your clarification, and open discussion.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Comment by Troy Dooly | June 12th, 2009
Beavis,
I find your posts and comments very humorous and engaging, even when I disagree
I promise not to answer the question above that you did not mean to ask. Besides if I answered it, I would have to share the few companies who pay their field force through a MLM/ network marketing compensation plan who have, or are currently also selling their products through Wal-Mart, Target or other national retail chains, and in most cases allow their field force to establish these accounts.
I would also have to share which name brand companies in business today started as MLM/ Network Marketing companies and out grew their need for a field force.
But… I will not bore you and the readers with all this nonsense since I am a guest to this community.
But, with all the tongue-n-cheek aside, you do bring up some very valid points, and the new buzz is starting to center around 5G Wireless Communications, which is so far advanced over the current 3G that none of the traditional telecommunication companies can afford to release it, only ONE very special “Top Secret, Super Pre-Launched, Fastest Growing, Biggest Ever, Get In Now, Or Your Will Forever Be Lost” company, who has created a patent pending (I just love that one) 3×9 force matrix, let me know if you need more info
Never Give Up,
Troy
Comment by beavis | June 12th, 2009
Sorry, the gnomes in my basement have just released “6G connectivity” utilizing the bending of time to receive information before it is ever sent. In fact, I haven’t even sent this post yet but you still got it, didn’t you? If you would like to sell this fantastic technology please utilize our 6G Network to sign up yesterday before it is too late. You can still become a millionaire a week ago by signing up now!
Comment by eaglescout | June 13th, 2009
There are many “opportunities” that fall under the strict classification of “legal” but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t highly objectionable and suspicious elements in them.
Organizations like DubLi try to find loopholes in the law, so that they can operate as close to the legal definition of a pyramid scheme as possible.
Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t recommend everything that is legal and I don’t denounce everything that is illegal. While the United States has a an excellent legal system, law doesn’t cover all the nuances of justice, and right and wrong.
If an MLM-based company’s operations and accounting are convoluted or sophisticated it could take a few years before authorities figure it out and identify any broken laws. A company can have a good standing with the law, and later be found to be operating illegally.
What do you think it means?
When a company is more interested in “recruits” (scare quotes because the “recruits” pay to work for the company), than in providing value, that’s a good sign that the product/service is not the main source of income.
These days there are rules such as 70% of inventory issued to promoters must be purchased by real customers (or bought back) to avoid the classification of pyramid scheme; Have you seen the products offered by most MLMs? They are overpriced and in very low demand, usually because they are generic low quality items. Try selling overpriced juice or pheromone sprays without resorting to false health claims and see if you can sell 70%. The average full-time MLMer can’t. Most people will walk away without their investment, but quite a few will be pressured to buy their own product, or will be invited to expensive seminars, where some “high-level” promoter gives a motivational speech offering the latest of their nouveau riche exploits.
So did the MLM company break the pyramid-scheme rules? Well, the promoter buys his own overpriced juice on a credit card to maintain his bronze membership eligibility, so the 70% rule is not strictly broken. And the MLM company never explicitly promises 5- or 6-figure salaries, but they do implicitly through coaching (tapes, etc.) and flashy seminars where they are led to believe that they are next in line for a promotion and obscene salaries if they work hard enough.
So, technically, no rules are broken, but someone is being taken advantage of.
Comment by kees | June 13th, 2009
I guess Dubli team “Edifient” didn’t get the memo that warns Dubli Business Associates to NOT present the earnings structure as a pyramid scheme:
http://www.edifient.com/promotion_income.html
Comment by Dr. Beavis | June 13th, 2009
Kees,
You need to look at the distribution model from left to right; not top to bottom and definitely not right to left. As you will see it is one, big upward slope to riches.
Dr. Beavis, King of Scots
Comment by kees | June 14th, 2009
Ahhhh, is that the secret behind the pyramid scheme? Yep, sounds very reasonable, oh King of the Scots
On a serious note, it seems not only the reverse auctions are going down in price. Now also Dubli Business Associates positions are being offered at lower prices…. by a Business Associate … apparently he needs some cash…. I wonder why…
see:
“DubLi Gold Team Leader position with 1000 DubLi credits that needs to be renewed in October is on…”
at
http://www.answerpatrol.com/questions.php?cat=Dubli
But what really leaves a very bad taste in my mouth is seeing a group of kids being lured into (or being used for) the Dubli Business Associates scheme/promotions:
http://wearethedublibrothers.com/
Their parents(?) seem to think it’s okay however ….
:-s
Comment by Troy Dooly | June 16th, 2009
EagleScout,
Sorry for the delay in responding, had to make some money.
EagleScout: There are many “opportunities” that fall under the strict classification of “legal” but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t highly objectionable and suspicious elements in them.
TroyDooly: I fully agree with you on this issue. However, we also see this in companies who do not pay their field force through commissions.
EagleScout: Organizations like DubLi try to find loopholes in the law, so that they can operate as close to the legal definition of a pyramid scheme as possible.
TroyDooly: I agree 100%. This is one of the reasons we formed the Distributor Rights Association a few years ago. It’s also why I write about these companies. However, this does not mean all companies who use an MLM or Network Marketing compensation plan is evil or selling over priced products.
To make a blanket statment like that is like saying all stock brokers run ponzi schemes, or that all real estate brokers are selling real estate scams, or that all mortgage companies are selling bogus mortgages. Although we have seen how each of these professions do have crooks, the majority are good folks.
Besides all of the professions I just mentioned use multi-level compensation plans to pay their sales force.
EagleScout: Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t recommend everything that is legal and I don’t denounce everything that is illegal. While the United States has a an excellent legal system, law doesn’t cover all the nuances of justice, and right and wrong.
TroyDooly: We are on the same page!!!!
EagleScout: If an MLM-based company’s operations and accounting are convoluted or sophisticated it could take a few years before authorities figure it out and identify any broken laws. A company can have a good standing with the law, and later be found to be operating illegally.
TroyDooly: You do make a valid point. However, the operations and accounting is never the issue for taking years for the authorities to bring down a company. From what I have seen from studying years of cases, is that authorities go after the companies where they receive the most complaints. The sad thing in most cases the scam has been going on for so long hundreds if not thousands of people have already been financially hurt.
EagleScout: I have found that most people who are proponents of MLM/Network Marketing and even critics really do not understand what they are talking about with it comes to these terms.
What do you think it means?
TroyDooly: MLM/Network Marketing are nothing more than compensation plans used to pay the sale force. There is no such thing as an MLM/Network Marketing industry. The Direct Selling profession does include several industries including Insurance, Real Estate, Housewares, Clothing, Skin Care, Cosmetics, Toys, books, Good, Coffee, Nutrition, and Legal Services.
The specific definitions can be found in several published resources: The college text book “Direct Sales An Overview by Dr. Keith Laggos is the best resource, along with the FTC, SEC and the DSA.
EagleScout: When a company is more interested in “recruits” (scare quotes because the “recruits” pay to work for the company), than in providing value, that’s a good sign that the product/service is not the main source of income.
TroyDooly: I agree 100% and when you look at product driven companies over recruit driven companies, you do not find a pyramid shape, you find a diamond shape because they will have more customers, then sales reps. Some examples are INVISUS Direct, Tupperware, mary Kay, Avon, Discovery Toys, UsBorn Books, World Financial Group, Keller Williams Realty, Arbonne, Pampered Chef, XELR8, Prepaid Legal, and Primerica Financial Services.
EagleScout: These days there are rules such as 70% of inventory issued to promoters must be purchased by real customers (or bought back) to avoid the classification of pyramid scheme; Have you seen the products offered by most MLMs? They are overpriced and in very low demand, usually because they are generic low quality items. Try selling overpriced juice or pheromone sprays without resorting to false health claims and see if you can sell 70%. The average full-time MLMer can’t. Most people will walk away without their investment, but quite a few will be pressured to buy their own product, or will be invited to expensive seminars, where some “high-level” promoter gives a motivational speech offering the latest of their nouveau riche exploits.
TroyDooly: We are in full agreement, which is once again, why I fight to expose companies who run questionable business models, and why I am proud to have intelligent conversations like this one. It is these types of threads that give people more insight into the Direct Selling Profession.
EagleScout, thank you for engaging me in this spirited conversation.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Comment by Beavis | June 16th, 2009
“Diamond shaped”? I know I’m going to regret this, but what are you talking about?
Oh, and Primerica Financial Services. Their tag line should be “the blind leading the stupid”. Nothing like having an idiot who cram coursed his or her way through a Series 6 test handling someones finances. Thankfully they are only allowed to handle packaged products. Nothing like a CITI quality financial operation.
Comment by Troy Dooly | June 17th, 2009
Beavis,
I think we have run this one up the flag pole just about all we can.
Based on your statement above about PFS I can tell we’ll just into a spitting contest and I’m not here to change anyone’s opinion.
As for the Diamond shape .vs Pyrimid shape, that has to do with the amount of customers per distributor.
I’ll write an article on it at my site this week and if you want to read it you can.
I do appreciate your view of things, cause it gives me a different view to ponder.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Comment by Beavis | June 17th, 2009
I’m just treading water until another Dublidiot decides to post. I think even the eternal optimist Gene has taken a powder.
Comment by eaglescout | June 19th, 2009
Troy,
I agree that all businesses are vulnerable to dishonest practices; although I think MLM is especially susceptible.
I took a brief look at INVISUS Direct (didn’t have time to go over the rest in detail). It seems that they will protect your computer for a fee. Without ordering the product myself (which I don’t need) I can’t say too much about it.
However, I see that INVISUS Direct will simply order your free credit reports for you and install anti-virus and anti-spyware software. There may be a tiny market for that, but most people I know can check their free annual credit reports on their own.
As for INVISUS Direct’s computer protection, it seems that short of their anti-virus software (Sophos, which you could purchase separately) it’s cheaper (free) to use something like CCleaner and Lavasoft’s AdAware.
INVISUS Direct’s benefit list reminds me of Cruise To Cash Benefits. The product benefits tend to be low-value items that are already free.
It’s a little like selling individual napkins, straws, and ketchup packets outside a fast-food restaurant.
Comment by Charlie | June 19th, 2009
Beavis did you just call the people who crammed for the series 6 license an idiot? Take a good look in the mirror Fuckface, I’ve missed this site, but since I’m not an obese shut-in like Beavis I’ve been busy surfing and golfing, to funny..
Comment by Beavis | June 21st, 2009
CHARLIE! Have you ever played a game of chess with a sheep and if you did, who won?
Comment by Joe From Cocomoe | June 24th, 2009
I have been reading the comment exchanges over this blog the past few months and have decided to talk on the subject of network marketing and Dubli. I do have an understanding of the profession so I would like to give my oppinion for what its worth. I have reasearched many MLM’s (including Dubli) and can say I do have a strong opinion of the Dubli model.
Were going to change the industry! Let’s face it…..how many times have we heard that over the course of our lives? Right now many companies are taunting that they are going to change the game. Few of them will. They need to make that statement because the way they have been doing it isn’t working any longer.
Some companies believe their products are so different that it will change the game. They are using the same distribution method of traditional network marketing (everyone becomes their own customer and teaches everyone to be their own customer) using a binary plan (which have proven over time to fail). Same game - new product story until the next new better vitamin, juice or nutritional super pill comes along.
Other companies believe they have technology that will change the world with a new enhanced forced compensation plan. Technology that has not been proven going against multi-billion dollar players with a program you have to pay every month to get paid. It is OK everyone knows the majority of that money gets paid out to everybody else. That game has been around for a long time–nothing new. Others believe you can take products that have not done well, a compensation plan at best mediocre and put a big name in front of the company with a good story and that is going to change the game. Are you kidding? Sooner or later, the product has to stand out. Hold on in most MLM’s it doesn’t - the product doesn’t matter. We are all following the leader, who will eventually say thank you and move on. History has proven that.
What all of these companies are saying is we can take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd base and we will make them round instead of square. Now it is not baseball, it is a better game than baseball. No, it is still baseball just with round bases instead of square.
All of the companies I have researched are attempting to change the game using the same model (with a new twist) that is no longer working. Each of them still believe that everyone should be their own customer, everyone should be a distributor and everyone needs their products. As long as everyone in the downline just buys their $150 a month worth of products, everyone will make money. How has that been working so far?
As much as they say they are changing the game, you are still trying to convince people to use your new improved super duper mega power whatever. That is the same game. That is the “baseball”. You change the shape of the bases any way you want, it is still “baseball”.
Change is inevitable. You can either participate or watch it happen. Either way is OK but it will happen.
From my reasearch I do not believe that Dubli will change the game either. I DO believe that Dubli is aware and sees the changes occurring and as we speak are positioning themselves to be at the forefront of those changes.
Dubli understands like any other business (except network marketing models) they NEED CUSTOMERS not hundreds of thousand of associates. They also understand they need products that everyday people use and buy. Hence the shopping portal and from what I have seen some pretty attractive items on the auctions.
Dubli does understand the revaluation of value that is occurring globally. If you look at what Dubli is doing they are combining the most powerful distribution channel (the internet) with the most powerful marketing (social networking) to capture what is already occurring with or without Dubli thus providing the people who chose to build a business with them a tremendous opportunity to be at the forefront of the next evolution of business not revolution. It will be revolutionary in network marketing because it has not been done before.
Every business takes time to build, I know I have built 2 succesful traditional businesses in my lifetime. You can believe it or not, in my opinion, given time this is the model that will change the way people look at and partcipate in the networking industry.
With this being said, I donot have the time or am I much for blogging so this is probably the last you will hear from me, however for what it’s worth I thought I would share some of the things and give you an oppinion on what I found out within the past few months on the model.
Comment by eaglescout | June 24th, 2009
Joe, could you summarize your position? I’ve read your comment twice, and I can’t figure out what you are trying to say, or how it is relevant.
Comment by Beavis | June 24th, 2009
Joe,
So what you are telling me is this company, Dubli, which has been dog paddling in circles for years, is run by a bunch of visionaries who are game changers. Therefore, I should ignore their past failings, gross exaggerations, their offshore banking relations, their lack of financial disclosures and based on your little paragraph of Dubli evaluation that sounds like a Forrest Gump thesis on successful investing, I should should run up my Amex card and dive in. You should play chess with Charlie.
Comment by Beavis | June 24th, 2009
I’m sorry, did I say “based on your little paragraph”? You obviously put a lot more effort into this than one paragraph of which I so humbly apologize. I do think this can be condensed into the following paragraph, though:
Comment by Joe From Cocomoe | June 25th, 2009
I normally do not take the time to respond on sites like this, however Beavis and Eagle Scout (Butt Head I presume) NEED FEEDBACK on this to keep the site going.
SO HERE IS MY STANCE AND THe “LITTLE PARAGRAPH” SO YOU BOTH CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING! Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
Change is inevitable. You can either participate or watch it happen. Either way is OK but it will happen. I do not believe that DubLi will change the game either. I DO believe that DubLi is aware and sees the changes occurring and as we speak are positioning themselves to be at the forefront of those changes. DubLi understands like any other business (except network marketing models) we need customers. DubLi does understand the revaluation of value that is occurring globally. DubLi is combining the most powerful distribution channel (the internet) with the most powerful marketing (social networking) to capture what is already occurring with or without DubLi thus providing each of us a tremendous opportunity to be at the forefront of the next evolution of business not revolution. It will be revolutionary in network marketing because it has not been done before.
Comment by eaglescout | June 25th, 2009
Hi Joe,
I disagree. Look up facebook, twitter, digg, youtube. An interesting difference is they don’t charge you $3000 upfront.
Comment by Beavis | June 25th, 2009
Do you just make stuff up? What is Dubli doing to position itself to be “at the forefront of those changes”? The company is stagnant with no discernible game plan that will change its weak showing in the auction/shopping mall business it claims to be an “international” player in. I think you need another “launch” as your previous launches sucked. Dubli’s track record is laughable, it’s business plan is retarded and their product has low, low, low consumer acceptance. Dubli isn’t even aware that it is a failure.
“Change is inevitable. You can either participate or watch it happen.” If it’s Dubli I’ll be $3,199 ahead if I just watch it happen.
Comment by O.Pining | June 29th, 2009
OK, I’ve read all I can take. I’ve had a friend trying to get me to use his credits to check this out for a long time. I finally went to the video he provided to see what he was so excited about. All I had ever heard of Dubli were the great things he had to say about it. My first thought after viewing the demo… “I wonder what the US federal gaming laws will have to say?” When I asked him he got angry and said I needed to stop reading this site - I NEVER knew this was here until he told me.
Guys, you can get angry because the things Eagle Scout is saying are running against your attempts at riches from your own franchise, but you cannot change the fact that this is a game. Yes, you might win some great prizes. But if you pay 80 cents for a credit that drops the price only 25, you are hoping a ton of others will click the button first. Hoping to get lucky. The same feeling drives folks to the casino. So I beieve that it will drive Dubli to success. It sounds like the franchise opportunity allows you to buy in to be part of “The House”. The house always wins you know. However, I think you may have problems with Internet gambling laws in the US. If there were stock to buy, I would not invest because of the risk of regulation ruining the business.
My bottom line is this. I am seeking the right network marketing opportunity because I believe in it, and I do love the kind of folks who are serious about helping others. I don’t agree with Eagle Scout that it is purely a scam, or that you can’t make money - but that is because there are a ton of sick, poor people who are not intelligent enough to realize the math. You can see them lining up at the local convenient stores betting on lottery numbers with the money they should be buying diapers with. It is yet another way shrewd business folks with little moral character build a personal fortune on the backs of the poor, offering a “chance” at a steal.
I cannot in good faith seek my own wealth that way. I will NOT be participating. To you Eagle Scout, I must say that I believe you are fighting a losing battle. Unless the US outlaws this site as an illegal gambling activity, it will go on. And it will be successful, but it will hurt the folks who can afford it the least.
Comment by Ray Le Blanc | June 30th, 2009
Dubli is a scam. But the people who enter it know that. They are so consumed by their greed that they don’t care which family and friends they use by coercing them to join. Joining Dubli is social poison. No one will want to know you after you join because they know you will view everyone you meet as a potential Dubli member who can make money for you.
Dubli is just another pyramid rip-off. Watch the papers for its collapse when people become better informed and quit.
It’s a great investment for stupid, avaricious people. To all Dubli people - you will reap what you sow.
Comment by Only Facts | June 30th, 2009
For Eagle Scout
Dubli has just started here in Australia, and I have several people trying to get me involved, and this site has been very helpful. I am a facts person and do not want to hear about a friend of a friends success with this MLM. Your FACTS have been very helpful and easy to confirm. Could you please list 5 questions I can ask these people trying to get me involved that will not only help me, but them as well. After 966 comments my head is spinning. All I can get out of these people is company propaganda that can not be verified.
Comment by KnowYourFacts | July 1st, 2009
Hi eaglescout. I just received an email from an unknown person inviting me to be his friend on Facebook. He stated in the email that he was making money on DubLi and wanted to know what MLM I was involved in (I am an eBay PowerSeller). I immediately Googled DubLi, found this site first, and am grateful to you for your unwavering logic, research and steadfastness. Thank you for making us aware of what this is. I will not be confirming this person on Facebook nor pursuing anything in this line as I have no interest in MLM’s or gambling. Wow, this was quite a read. Thanks for making it interesting, eaglescout. M.G.
Comment by Gene | July 5th, 2009
More and more parrots coming on here all the time I see. They say just what you want them to say don’t they eagle? LOL
Comment by Beavis | July 6th, 2009
Better than KoolAide drinking Dublidiots. “Oh, I’m going to be rich by doing nothing. All that I have to do is give $3,199 to perfect strangers with offshore bank accounts and it will happen; it will happen; IT WILL HAPPEN!”. Just keep clicking your ruby slippers together, there Gene (what a maroon).
Comment by Only Facts | July 6th, 2009
Open question.
I am still trying to find as much, non propaganda either way, information as possible. When I Asked a Dubli member why I cant find any reference to them in an Australian Newspaper, the answer I received was “we are only at pre-launch the press will come in October then it will be massive like it was in the states”. Being that Dubli started in Germany and was so successful I tried the Berliner Zeitung (Berlin newspaper). No matches. I then tried USA Today, no matches. Los Angles Times, no matches, Delaware online/Wilmington News, no matches. Has there ever been legitimate press on Dubli and if so where can I find it.
Comment by Derek Freeborn | July 7th, 2009
Dubli is the latest MLM scam with a new twist -you gamble to buy auction items!!!! How exciting !!
Those poor suckers who have joined must hate this site. Dubli needs more and more people to be conned into joining so some money filters through the system. But once the current affairs shows get wind of this latest scam then the house of cards will collapse.
No one wants to pay 80 cents every time they make a bid. E bay is free to bid with a million more products! That’s all that needs to be said. Game over Dubli.
Dubli can only work if enough greedy morons can be found. joining Dubli isn’t “building a business”. It’s simply entering another ponzi-like scam. Only a Bernie Madoff could pull this one off.
Comment by Gene | July 7th, 2009
Beav or is it Eagle you got to be the biggest parrot.
Comment by Beavis | July 7th, 2009
I have a 10 inch parrot; I can’t speak for Eagle.
Comment by Beavis | July 7th, 2009
“Only a Bernie Madoff could pull this one off.”
Bernie Madoff wouldn’t waste his time with this two bit operation. I’m in awe of Madoff; 50 f*cking BILLION dollars compared to Dubli’s pathetic auction numbers. I mean, he is still a criminal but he is a genius. He bilked Wall Street; Dubli bilked Gene.
Comment by Gene | July 8th, 2009
Beav you got a mouth on ya don’t ya?
Comment by Big Scam | July 8th, 2009
This company is a joke. There is no viral growth. Nothing but a blatant pyramid scam that jumps from one country to the next proclaiming its “success”
Comment by mal | July 9th, 2009
Just like MLM Dubli is unlikely to be for everyone, MLM is a recognised and important form of product distribution. It seems to work best when kept simple so that we peasants can understand how it works and where the money comes from. I certainly get suspicious if the plan is not easily explained. Dubli goes to great lengths to show all of the quirky parts of the plan so anyone who gets in (blind) is naive and or perhaps foolish. On the other hand when you study the Dubli plan you will find that there are a few good reasons to be suspicious. The plan has to be read or listened to a few times before all of the income streams and expenses can be taken on board and how many of us would be bothered doing that. Most of us are too lazy/ comfortable in our poverty. I am not a Dubli member but I have been promoted the plan by a close friend and even if I dont sign up I dont think it will affect my relationship with him. We each need to respect and appreciate each others needs and ambitions and let those that want to do it get on with it and make some serious cash, if they can. The risk is not that great but if you cant afford to sign up and buy your credits then ask your sponsor (or his sponsor) for a loan, which you could pay back from your profits. This should be a win/win especially if he can help you make it work. You might be able to pay it back in a month or 2 if you do what is taught. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Comment by Fern Magee | July 9th, 2009
Dubli is a SCAM. When are you going to understand that, Mal, Gene et al? No one logs onto a Dubli site to buy things. The only poor suckers who are “bidding” are the BA people who dream of money for nothing. But like all pyramid schemes the only money in the scheme comes from those who think Dubli will make them millionaires.
Real people don’t want reverse auctions. The only people participating are Business Associates. It gives the illusion that people are really going for this reverse auctions thing. They aren’t. Ask your friends. Explain reverse auctions to them and ask if they would ever buy anything that way. Real people just think you’re stupid.
Listen everyone. I don’t want a Rolex watch for even $5 if it means hundreds or thousands of people lost money every time they “checked” the price. I have a conscience. I don’t want to win a luxury item cheaply at the expense of others.
It’s unethical. For Dubli to succeed you have to rely on the fact that no one has a conscience. I do. My friends do and we will have no part of a scheme that rips off people so that some may win luxury goods they don’t really want for cheap prices.
I don’t want any of that crap Dubli is offering. Who does? It’s all so sad and pathetic what people will do for a dollar. Don’t you think?
Comment by Gene | July 9th, 2009
Beav it’s not money for nothing. It’s money for something. Don’t you see we have an online store front. We sell a lot of things. Didn’t you ever hear of a merchant? Parrots same old ploy that it’s a pyramid. Real people enjoy reverse auctions. Have you tried any. Boy this over generalization is rift here.
I mean how smart do you have to be to understand for 80 cents you get the chance to save hundreds of dollars depending on what the item is. I’ve been over this before here. If you’re not interest in our luxury goods then don’t buy in the auctions simple as that. Dah. In the shop you can buy just about anything online. Plus you get reward points which you can use on future purchases or money on a debit card. Check out my website and go to a webinar. Stupid ideas. Get it straight man. Using words like pathetic and conscience and illusion. Sounds like you’re talking about a messed up magic show. Just goes to show that the scamapedia idiots are just that. I can assure you the company isn’t. It is a well thought out business plan which is making people a lot of money. Check this out maybe it will help, MLM: Who’s Getting Rich—Who’s Not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRVGzFw0ygU if Eagle let’s it go through.
Comment by Mr Reed | July 9th, 2009
O.K I have been reading these blogs for a while now trying to look at both sides of the argument. The first thing I always ask myself is why is a person writing whatever it is that they are writing. Are they giving a review or are they trying to destroy or sway a person one way.
I must say I feel this blog is trying to sway potential DUBLI CUSTOMERS AND REPS into thinking Dubli is a scam. AND FOLKS DUBLI IS NOT A SCAM. And I will EXPLAIN WHY
1. I do agree dubli does have an element of gambling but not in a negative way. If I pay .80 cents to see what the price of an item is, first off that is my choice to pay to see the price and I know exactly what I am doing when I do it. But more importantly the price of the item is always lower or equal to what I was going to pay retail anyways.
2. Dubli has over 900 merchants with brands like bestbuy, macy,s, and Target. People think about it, if Dubli was a SCAM like you say it is How would all of these popular companies allow them to be on there site and sell there products. And why have thousands of items been purchased and delieved everytime ontime. We cant even say that about ebay!
3. Lastly, the thing that bothers me the most about this blog is I feel you are missing the point about Dubli. Dubli is a site that allows everyone to shop for FREE get cash back on all purchases in the online shopping mall and also get HUGE savings on the auctions. I have to ask you WHY would you have a problem with people saving money?
Do you have a problem with some guy with with fat pockets coming in at the last minute and out bididding a person on ebay. Is that a scam. Or people using programs to win on ebay auctions is that a scam too.
At least you have the ability to buy an item when the price is right with Dubli.
*THE REAL SPIN REPORT*
With that being said, I feel you are the scam for trying to sway a person into believing somthing is a scam for your own personal gain for example.
Why do you have google adsense ads on your site. People do you know if you click on any ads on this site the writer of this blog gets paid. Hmmm. If you wanted to help people not get ripped off why not just post the blog and give you opinion. Why make money off of people who may be trying look into an opportunity for themselves?
WOW, it looks like you get popular companies and feed off of the traffic to make money on your blog. HMMM? I must say that smart, but is what you are doing a scam?
Lets just say everyting is a scam and I know people will hear about a company and google it. And when they get to my site they will click on stuff. Oh and I will get paid for that. Wow! Use your brain people the writer of this blog is the scam. Lets see what the world thinks?
Comment by Gene | July 9th, 2009
“Use your brain people the writer of this bl