You know why that makes no sense !! Because your ponzi pyramid schemes relies on lots of people entering the scheme and losing their money so a few at the top can make lots of money.

Droobli is the same old scam. It will fall over and lots of people will lose their money. But you don’t care. It’s all dog eat dog to you. You have no conscience.

I do agree, however, that, given sufficient numbers, the unique auction is not a game of chance. Indeed, given sufficient numbers, a participant has absolutely no chance of winning!

Now talking about GroobLi.com, I understand that if you ignore what MLM is, you will not see anything else that a scam in Droobli, Herbalife, Amway, Oracle and so many other MLM companies listed in your Stock Exchange Market ( I assume you know what that is). So please explain your devoted readers, that take your shit, how it is possible that Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Richard Branson, Donald Trump and others, own or distribute products and services through MLM “scam” companies listed in the Stock Exchange Market?

I cannot understand that still americans do not know how many hundreds of thousands of american families have achieved financial freedom through MLM in the past 40 years.
Even in Universities around the USA , MLM is studied as a subject in Marketing…
I supose the one who said that there were stupids everywhere was right.
Eaglecourt, check your info before stating ignorance.
Preben Tonsager

I close to joining Droobli. This was one of my main concerns with Droobli regarding the Us Federal gamlbing laws. It sounds very promising and I like it. Eagle guy you are just one this people who can’t get over the fact that there are people in network marketing who are making a lot of money. Why the hell would Donald Trump and Robert K dedicate a part of there book to network markeitng?
THEN come out with another book called “why you should be in network marketing”

So get your facts straight, network marketing is the next boom. You should jump on the wagon and make some money.

I stand by what I have said- but it was NEVER intended for general distribution and should be regarded as the confidential property of GROOBLI. In plain English- back off.

I was asked to fax that letter to someone in the United States, who, unbeknownst to me, had no authorization to ask for it. If I had known that I would never have supplied the material.

I will stand behind any opinion that GROOBLI’s duly authorized representatives may make, based on my opinion.

But NOBODY ELSE’s.

Further inquries as to legality should be directed to Mr. Andreas Kusche, Droobli’s corporate counsel:

Anything else us has no support of mine.

Very Truly Yours,

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It was my web research during the pitch that lead me to this thread, and as I was reading the rants from those who drank the GroobLi pitch I too was impressed with eaglescout’s logic and well researched responses to the same verbiage I was listening to during the webinar.

Ryan, you summed this up well and if after reading these comments, someone wants to join the GroobLi scam. Go for it! You only have yourself to blame.

my experience with droobli has been brief and ridiculous. my aunt spent some 3200 dollars on a droobli associateship a few months ago. she has been on me ever since to “join up.” it’s amazing the things that come out of her mouth: all reprinted on the comments above. i immediately dismiss “get rich schemes,” but owed it to my mom to watch a webinar last week. man. it was a beating. the first thing they discuss is how they know how much you’d like to provide for your family…and spend time with them. yikes! one of the slides on the webinar showed the rise in internet users over the last ten years. wow! they are clearly marketing to the ignorant.

your article and subsequent responses have been the most helpful information i’ve found so far. well, your responses and the insubstantive input from droobli reps.

thanks again.
ryan

2. To the best of my knowledge you can’t bid on products without GroobLi credits, and you cannot purchase their distribution licenses without also purchasing bundled GroobLi credits.

3. GroobLi’s business model is obscure enough that it may be a Ponzi or a Pyramid scheme, and it probably operates as such to a large extent.

If GroobLi can make money with a commodity like the “credits” why is that a problem? It would appear that those credits allow one access to the products as well as to the network marketing component, which seems to have a clearly defined path of achievement.

The credits function as gambling tokens, but are not advertised that way.

The credits also function as distribution licenses.

Because the credits are worth little as gambling tokens, because GroobLi distributors are the only ones spending GroobLi credits, the product is clearly not in demand as a gambling token.

The only remaining function of a GroobLi credit is as a distribution license, when purchased as a package.

4. I have a problem with people making large sums of money through just the recruiting of other marketers but it would appear that a person who does not choose to participate in the business opportunity involving the recruiting of other marketers can do quite well just getting customers. Do you agree or disagree?

I strongly disagree. The items are overpriced even when “discounted” by other gamblers. The items are largely being won by the distributors themselves, which means there isn’t much of a clientele, and GroobLi makes very little from actual product sales, which means GroobLi distributors make even less.

*sigh*

1. Are you for or against the concept of network marketing (MLM, if you wish)?

2. I noticed that you said that products are paid for by GroobLi credits. I thought that the products were purchased with credit cards and not GroobLi credits?

3. I have seen the words “scam” and “Ponzi” and “pyramid” mentioned over and over again. I thought that a Ponzi scheme or a pyramid had no products; just the churning of money with the promise of extraordinary gain.

If GroobLi can make money with a commodity like the “credits” why is that a problem? It would appear that those credits allow one access to the products as well as to the network marketing component, which seems to have a clearly defined path of achievement.

4. I have a problem with people making large sums of money through just the recruiting of other marketers but it would appear that a person who does not choose to participate in the business opportunity involving the recruiting of other marketers can do quite well just getting customers. Do you agree or disagree?

So, as you can see, I am not accusing you of anything…just asking some questions with respect. I would appreciate your replies.

Many thanks!

Don

It isn’t like all of the associates had to put up tons a money to have a store to sell a 2 dollar cup of coffee, or buy a ton of product and keep it in a closet and hope that you find someone that wants to buy makeup. The auction site is a tip of the iceberg and the Ecommerce portal that is open is the base of the entire website. The auction is only part of it. There are actually several parts to the entire site.

THis is not a MLM, any business out there if you work for someone, men at the top, that is a MLM. This entire country is based on free enterprise and we are all able to see the benefit of living in the US.

I do hope that all of the negative words stop, I will be reporting this guy to the website in hopes that the guy gets booted off off. This website is not ment for just one guy to sit back an bash one Company.

Happy New Year, and hats off to all of the Networkers out there., it is the prime beneficiary of the robust home-based business boom and it will be a major contributing force in the creation of new millionares over the next ten years, quoted by Paul Zane Pilner, World Known Economist.

This is an extraordinary oportunity.

I guess you couldn’t answer a single question, because it’s not on your GroobLi cheat-sheet.

You are certainly welcome to your own opinion on GroobLi.

That wasn’t my opinion on GroobLi. I was simply pointing out how your comments are misleading and deceptive.

For the rest of us GroobLi represents a fantastic opportunity.

Who is “the rest of us”? You, Bobby Jensen, and who else?

Have you seen the FOX/CNN stats for retail sales in 2008?

Yes.

Chances are we’ll see the collapse of brick and mortar shops (big and small) this year and an explosion in online shopping.

This doesn’t apply to GroobLi, because online gambling is a separate category.

Also, MLMs like GroobLi have a 99% fail rate.

It doesn’t matter what the economy looks like because GroobLi is guaranteed to fail in good times and in bad times. And with dishonest (or clueless) promoters like yourself, we can expect GroobLi to fail even faster.

I choose to be part of tomorrow. How about you?

Everybody is going to “be a part of tomorrow”. But at least I won’t be scamming people throughout 2009.

Either way, I wish you success in 2009.

Thanks. You too.

You are certainly welcome to your own opinion on GroobLi. For the rest of us GroobLi represents a fantastic opportunity. Have you seen the FOX/CNN stats for retail sales in 2008? Everything is in the tank except for online shopping. Chances are we’ll see the collapse of brick and mortar shops (big and small) this year and an explosion in online shopping. I choose to be part of tomorrow. How about you?

Either way, I wish you success in 2009.

Dennis

Is this a case of bad plagiarism?

As the founder of one of the leading GroobLi Teams I am bombarded with nonsense like this posting every day. It’s funny that we never hear from a GroobLi Associate, only those bitter few that attack what they don’t understand or like.

How did you determine these “bitter few” didn’t understand GroobLi?

The fact is GroobLi is quickly becoming a significant shopping destination. It has already become a leader in Europe and will soon be visible to millions of online shoppers in America.

Those are vague and meaningless statements, Dennis.

“It has already become a leader in Europe”

A leader of what?

“will soon be visible to millions of online shoppers in America”

You mean like everything else on the internet?

In fact, my team, The GroobLi Eagles, has members from Europe who missed out on GroobLi’s European launch by sitting on the sidelines and criticizing it.

I’m told by various people from Germany that GroobLi is not popular there at all. But I don’t have to rely on their word, because most GroobLi sites in Germany are awfully outdated. GroobLi promoters like yourself rely on vague misleading statements.

Those same individuals are jumping on the American band wagon in a hurry. Do you think they know something this blogger doesn’t know? [...]

Probably not. If they know something that important about GroobLi, wouldn’t they benefit from mentioning it? Wouldn’t you benefit from mentioning what that is? If the answer is yes, why don’t you tell us what it is?

If you’re serious about GroobLi, JOIN SOMEONE NOW. Droobli is creating fortunes for many Americans.

Another vague statement. How many Americans? Which ones? Are they associates or real contractors?
Because based on GroobLi’s revenue from actual product sales to distributors and non-distributors, there can only be 3 associates total earning 3,000 a month each and that’s a very liberal estimate. Take away the earnings from purchases made by distributors, and GroobLi would have a hard time sponsoring a starving child.

You can be one of them or you can stand by and complain by blog about something you know little about. It’s your choice.

Or you can inform yourself and complain about things that you know a lot about.

Seems to me, Dennis, you are complaining by blog about something you know little about!

In fact, my team, The GroobLi Eagles, has members from Europe who missed out on GroobLi’s European launch by sitting on the sidelines and criticizing it. Those same individuals are jumping on the American band wagon in a hurry. Do you think they know something this blogger doesn’t know? Go Figure!

If you’re serious about GroobLi, JOIN SOMEONE NOW. Droobli is creating fortunes for many Americans. You can be one of them or you can stand by and complain by blog about something you know little about. It’s your choice.

Rob

alrighty then!

rob

Additionally, people like you and laquita are trolls and sockpuppets in danger of losing your opportunity to scam people. In less than one month!

I’m not interested in your non-sequiturs about 9-5ers getting scammed. That is not relevant to whether GroobLi is deceiving you.

Finally, laquita could get the facts if she put forth some effort; at this point there’s little I can say to help her.

Then you are a victim of franchise fraud. Get help.

“and if you are the business associate that signed that organization up for the partner program you earn a commissions as well. customers are yours for life.”

GroobLi won’t be around that long.

Honestly, the website is clean cut and well designed. They actually appear to be bigger than eBay, but that’s only because they are using the same type of photography and layouts that huge companies like Accenture and Dell use.

Take a look at this, and see whether it looks familiar:
http://www.dell.com/

They also use several images of professional men and women in their business associate portals. This is a false front.

Another important thing that is very telling is the other “products”/companies that the GroobLi promoters are advertising.

For the most part they are selling scams. If just about every GroobLi promoter is advertising or has previously advertised multi-level marketing schemes that turned out to be deceitful, that’s pretty strong evidence against GroobLi as well.

Everything is hyped-up and characterized as “huge”, “explosive”, and so on.

Also, if you want to sign up as a GroobLi associate, first you have to buy a credit package: bronze, silver, or gold at 550 Euro, 1250 or 3000.

Then you have to pay a start up fee depending on your package of choice, 150.00, 499.00, 999.00 or 1,999.00 in Euros (plus any additional bank charges in regards to your payment).

Finally, to get your Droobli package, you can purchase one for 249 dollars, or 1595 dollars.

But GroobLi makes you go to two different websites to figure out the prices. Also, The prices on the first site (startup fees) are listed in Euros.

The prices on the advertising package page are listed in dollars.

“I am curious about Droobli and what they could really pull off?”

The thing is, they don’t have to run away with your money because they get it from the start.

They make you think you can sign up for as low as 150 dollars, but in reality you have to pay,

692+628+249 dollars for the cheapest package ($1569)
and
3777+2517+1595 dollars for the largest package ($7889)

(For reference, see http://www.droobli-network.net/default.aspx?ID=2082 and http://www.droobli-network.net/Page-2004.aspx)

By taking you to a final page that lists one of the prices in dollars, they mix up the conversion rates.

They use the same conversion rate tactic when they sell GroobLi credits at $.80.

Think about it: what purpose does it serve to use a different exchange rate on a fictitious currency?

There is no practical purpose, except to change the way you think about your money (namely, to confuse you).

In psychology and finance the illusion they are using is called anchoring, and they have cleverly used it in multiple ways.

“The long term money would be to high of a risk of losing if Droobli was just planning on taking our money and running.”

Yes, but they’ve registered their domain names in the UK and Germany instead of the United States. So the U.S. government cannot seize the domain names as property for the online gambling elements.

They also do not use U.S. banks to transfer money; this prevents their accounts from being frozen.

Finally, law enforcement sometimes has enough evidence to make arrests, but if the threat can be isolated and monitored, it pays off to wait and collect even more evidence.

Would they really be able to just take our money and run? Seriously, it’s a big company, for that to happen would take a lot of law suits, heavy hitting people ready to take someone down, and a whole lot of wasted money by investors wouldn’t it?

I am just trying to find some truth or reason behind the company, but so far, it doesn’t seem feasible for a company of this size with our judicial system to be able to get away with running a scam now a days. One can think of Enron, but I mean lets be real. No one would try to pull that off again. You never know I guess, but still for a company like this trying to get exposure and the way a MLM company works would not make sense for it to be a scam. The long term money would be to high of a risk of losing if Droobli was just planning on taking our money and running.

How do you feel about that? Thanks for the opinion.

That’s not quite what I said. I was referring to your assertion about Walmart being affiliated with GroobLi.

“Because you have never shown one single bit of proof. Sure you go and post pasted sources from their websites. But then you go and give your personal opinion on the information.”

There’s a difference between personal opinion and inference and fact.

For example, it is a fact that Droobli claims to operate in the U.K. It is a fact that their disclaimer makes you waive your rights to the UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.

It is a fact that Droobli has changed its General Terms and Conditions multiple times.

When you compare Droobli’s General Terms and Conditions with other businesses, it is obvious that they are unusually unclear and badly written; that’s an inference.

By reading the entire set of General Terms and Conditions and looking for internal inconsistencies one can see that the language and structure used is either intentionally misleading or very badly written. That’s another inference.

If you want me to explain in more detail how I arrived at a particular conclusion, let me know. In general, I assume that my readers are resourceful enough to check my sources and determine whether what I said is true.

“Because you have never shown one single bit of proof.”

What kind of proof do you want? Do you think people without CNN are unable to make decisions?

“Sure you go and post pasted sources from their websites. But then you go and give your personal opinion on the information.”

I give you facts, inferences and opinion. Just because I give an opinion does not mean the inferences are wrong. If you think they are wrong you should provide some proof. If not, you should just admit you disagree but can’t explain why.

“Until a press report or cnn breaking news comes on proving your personal view, I guess the burden of proof remains on you”

What personal view? I’m not presenting personal views as facts, so it shouldn’t matter.

By the way, by your own reasoning, shouldn’t you wait to trust GroobLi until they show up on CNN?

“Droobli is here and wether you agree with it or not; their website is now in the US. And its growing very fast. When you stop living in a state of denial, contact me.”

I didn’t claim it was or wasn’t growing fast, but that’s somewhat irrelevant. I also didn’t claim that they were or weren’t in the U.S.

“I’ll sell you a Droobli associate license!”

They’re worth very little to me, since I don’t intend to go around selling lotteries or advertising for GroobLi.

How bad is your earnings at ebay that you have to keep trying to take down Droobli? First, once again you are wrong!”

If I was selling items on eBay and doing poorly, why would I want to take down GroobLi? Quite the opposite, I would simply pay for a GroobLi license and sell on eBay and GroobLi.

There’s no reason why I couldn’t do both at once.

“You quote the $5000 ‘Gift Card’, funny the website states the following (Walmart $5000 Gift Certificate). That would be ‘CERTIFICATE’, not Gift Card. They do not offer a $5000 ‘gift card’, however, upon calling Walmart myself they give a gift certificate in any denomination that someone would purchase.”

And GroobLi uses the word “Voucher”. Don’t you think Walmart would be more careful about saying it is not affiliated with GroobLi?

“Secondly, the operator placed me with a supervisor who stated that they have ahd several calls about this. And that ‘YES’ let me state it again “YES” they are afilliated with Droobli.”

I’ll believe it when they issue a press release on Walmart’s web site.

“Read that last paragraph again in case you missed it. Anyone that actually reads the crap you are dishing out is being taken for a ride.”

Not really. I publish my sources, so that readers can easily confirm or disconfirm what I write about.

“I love this one, since you guessed it. I am an associate for Droobli. I got an email stating that they saw my craiglist ad for Droobli and was reporting me to the Attorney General for Georgia. Funny, called the office and they told me they had never gotten a report, but they would check into the site.”

I don’t know what that proves, but go on.

“Two days later I got a return call stating that they saw nothing wrong with the droobli.com site or it’s partnership program.”

I guess I’ll have to take your word for it.

“You must be one of the 10% laid off from ebay.”

That’s a false dilemma. I could also enjoy outing scammers and exposing lies. Besides, if I had been laid off from eBay I wouldn’t blame GroobLi. The models are completely different.

For example, eBay doesn’t sell “virtual stores” which consist of single page sites. While GroobLi sells these at $249 and $1595, you can get more value for free elsewhere.

Domain name registration should cost between $8-$25.
Anything else is a huge mark-up.

Hosting itself costs between $3-$9 a month for a decent host.

Additionally, GroobLi doesn’t allow you to use their name as a subdomain. So if I were a GroobLi associate, I would not be allowed to create a site like droobli.thespinfactor.com or thespinfactor.com/droobli/

The reason for that is because they don’t want your affiliate site to be featured near the top of search engine results when people search for ‘droobli’. This way they can ensure that their site will be clicked first, and they can reduce the number of commissions that are paid out down the line.

“Beware, the nay sayers are stopping at nothing now. And by the way… in the last 30 days I have made $5800 on Droobli!”

How many people did you scam?

“But yes Eaglescout. I’m being scammed. You ought to be ashamed of yourself!”

If you are making money on GroobLi, the most reasonable conclusion is that you are the one doing the scamming.

How bad is your earnings at ebay that you have to keep trying to take down Droobli? First, once again you are wrong!

You quote the $5000 “Gift Card”, funny the website states the following (Walmart $5000 Gift Certificate). That would be “CERTIFICATE”, not Gift Card. They do not offer a $5000 “gift card”, however, upon calling Walmart myself they give a gift certificate in any denomination that someone would purchase.

Secondly, the operator placed me with a supervisor who stated that they have ahd several calls about this. And that “YES” let me state it again “YES” they are afilliated with Droobli.

Read that last paragraph again in case you missed it. Anyone that actually reads the crap you are dishing out is being taken for a ride.

I love this one, since you guessed it. I am an associate for Droobli. I got an email stating that they saw my craiglist ad for Droobli and was reporting me to the Attorney General for Georgia. Funny, called the office and they told me they had never gotten a report, but they would check into the site. Two days later I got a return call stating that they saw nothing wrong with the droobli.com site or it’s partnership program.

You must be one of the 10% laid off from ebay.

Beware, the nay sayers are stopping at nothing now. And by the way… in the last 30 days I have made $5800 on Droobli!

But yes Eaglescout. I’m being scammed. You ought to be ashamed of yourself!

If you dont mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

Jason