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I admitedly bought into the “scam”, if you will, very recently and then was disheartened by finding this blog. Even though I have a good job and losing $750 bucks isn’t the end of the world, I still had high hopes of it working out. Of course, I still have a year to make it work, so I’ll post on here later to let you all know how it really went for me one way or another.

Of course, I can see how someone investing a lot of money into something like this (that can’t afford the risk) would use the slightest skepticism to not go forward. I can’t, however, see how just being a simple customer is such a bad deal. The comparison to eBay isn’t comparing the financial structure so much as the thought of “winning” something before you buy it. The popularity of eBay proves there are plenty of people that enjoy shopping with that mentality. Yes, the fact that you may not win and you already paid some money might deter some people, but that’s also the hook. The biggest problems I see with the site are
1)there’s not enough products right now
2)There’s not enough people shopping on the site.

If more people come, they’ll add more products.Then auctions, or what ever you want to call them, won’t take so long to get a products price down.

Just a few things I noticed from posts a while back:

There’s a price gaurantee now. If you can find and prove that a product you bought on “groobli” was cheeper anywhere else, they’ll pay you back the difference.

Shipping prices are higher than they should be, but not absolutely outrageous. I’ve heard claims on other sights that they charge $50 or even over $100 for shipping something as simple as a gift card. They’re $6, or nothing if it’s an E-gift card from Amazon. I agree $6 is too much, but not mind blowing. You just have to make sure when you buy it, the price is low enough so you won’t lose money on the deal.

Also, the fact that Pay-pal and credit cards don’t work is untrue. I’ve paid with my credit card. I’ll try paying with pay-pal next time, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t work when it’s logo is plastered all over the site.

Like I said, it’s not a site that’s going to be for everyone. Who know’s, I may just have wasted my money. But I’m just having fun anyways and I’m not planning on trying to sign anyone else up. It would be nice to get some customers because I really don’t think that parts a scam. You can easily search for similar items on other pages to see for yourself if they are.

If you’re interested in researching the auction part first hand, I’d be glad to hook you up with a few free credits to play around with. After all, that’s what I got into it for. You’ll Either like the format, or not. More convincing than listening to people you don’t know at any rate.
Funkyrocket@hotmail.com

They both seem to use MLM to attain BA’s and customers and they have both been accused of being Pyramid Schemes.

Which do I invest in?

If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends?

I was told they are having a national opening/roll-out on April 1, 2010 (seeing the Aust. and NZ posts the great national roll-out seems to happen on a regular basis)?

I’m presuming this is simply to entice people to think they are at the forefront of the greatest expansion since the Roman Empire, but if possible could I get some clarification from others (as to whether they have heard similar claims upon approach but with vastly different dates for the great national plan).

Cheers to all

It is too harmfull and addictive for young people who don’t understand how much they are loosing to gain something little.

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Look at what companies have to go through to be able to do that………

Highly legal!!

Bobby Jensen et al. have been promoting their various ‘compensation plans’ to pay and become an “Ambassador” (or “Business Associate” in more recent Droobli-speak) for “TradingValues” (the forerunner of Droobli) from the middle of 2003 already.

From May 2004 untill Juli 2008 Droobli EU was a regular eBay-clone-like portal (in between the various hick-ups and “re-launches”), with individual sellers, with (eBay-like) shops, with fixed price items and with (regular eBay-like) auctions.

The highest number of online items ever available on Droobli was about 174,000 in April 2007 – most of which were music CD’s and movie DVD’s. (the number of items can be easily counted via the many archived droobli.com pages in the wayback-machine internet archive)

They added the “SmartWin” (now: Unique Bid) auction in June 2007 (and introduced the Droobli “credits” to be able to participate in the SmartWin auctions), but finally closed down the whole eBay-like Droobli site in July 2008. See these 2008 messages at a Droobli-affiliated site:
“Droobli shocks customers” (translated from German)
h t t p : / /news.preisklopper.de/allgemein/drooblicom-schockt-kunden/

and: “Droobli closes the marketplace” (translated from German)
h t t p : / /news.preisklopper.de/allgemein/droobli-schliest-den-marktplatz/

Then, a few days later (also in July 2008), after having completely ditched their *original* Global Trading Portal idea (which had been developed and hyped for over 5 years), the brandnew Droobli EU site came online, with just the 3 “fun” auction types:
the current Xpress auctions, the Unique Bid auctions, and the Zero auctions.

Sometime later they also added a Kelkoo-based shopping search engine, and then somewhere in 2009 they retired the Zero auction again and also suddenly the whole Kelkoo-based shopping engine vanished from the site, and has been AWOL ever since..

Shipping costs to anywhere outside Germany are rather high (to put it mildly), like 225.95 Euro for a 32″ TV to the UK and up to 305.95 Euro to Greece, but also much smaller items just have too-high shipping costs for anyone outside of Germany.
(Similar high shipping costs appear on the US site for customers who happen to live in Mexico) (and shipping to Australia/New Zealand also isn’t really cheap)

In Europe, Droobli had been boasting for years about how the Droobli Global Internet Trading Portal would become truly multi-languaged, but indeed it seems they left out the French (and Italians, and Greeks, and any other language except for English, German, Spanish and Danish).

Considering the fact that Droobli EU now has only 2 kind of “fun” auctions and no shopping portal like the US has, AND considering the following statement (from drooblitheperfectbusiness.com) to Droobli critics:
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“How can GroobLi sustain itself?
It can’t sustain itself on auction revenue, and no one has ever claimed that it would.

The objective of GroobLi’s auction unit is not to sell product. It is instead to drive traffic to the portal, while selling as many credits as possible (and ironically, while selling as few items as possible).

GroobLi is a shopping portal, not an auction house.

Its success is measured by the number of shoppers it aggregates and sells.

The amount of auction revenue generated is irrelevant and has no bearing on GroobLi’s success or sustainability”
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it becomes clear that Droobli EU is a non-success, ALSO according to Droobli OWN standards.

(more additional info in the mega-thread “Droobli, another complex scam” elsewhere on this site, as well as in the “Droobli-Unofficial” blog linked to my name on top of this post)

GROOBLI EU site,
Why is there only 90 products on auction? this has been operating for over 3 years now .you would think it would be well established and thriving, with 100,s of choices.

FOR HIM section, only 7 items 1 watch , 2 perfum s etc

Why isn,t it in French ? over 60 million residents, seems like a good market to me .

Why don,t they have a shopping portal, with Debenhams, Galerie Laffettes etc , such as the US?

1, as the shopping portal has been released since april in the US, has any of the Business associates made money? if there is anyone on this forum or knows of anyone, please post a copy of a bank receipt Monthly statement . I would like to see a tangable piece of proof .

shipping costs,
I have some free credits and went on to look at a couple of prices of a product that i might have wanted to purchase and what i found (at the moment, due to early days i know) is that the cost of the product was lower than the standard retail price, but when adding the shipping price to OZ it worked out more expensive ! 3 times and different products .
Now will there be a factory in the future based in OZ where the shipping will be a lot less? or will we have to pay the high prices , which in turn leave us biding for the price much less than say someonne in the US .

Thank you all for your comments regarding Droobli. Its apparent that a global marketing strategy of this company is heading downunder and its impact appears to be receptive to a few Kiwi’s who have attended Droobli seminars in Australia.

One of these Kiwi’s rang me, expressing her uncertainty whether to invest her thousands of dollars on the Droobli package.

hmmmm… She will make a decision on my opinion and the above comments are instrumental in what I will tell her.

However, taking into account the above comments, my own values and principles that I apply to making money online and of course the person who asks for my opinion. I am no marketing guru, I do not profess to be a mathematical genius, I do profess that “People Before Profit” and “Wealth Is As You Perceive It To Be” not necessarily in dollars.

But least we forget, human behavior compels us to want to make alot of money sooner and quickly, at the expense of our own or other peoples money and time!

In conclusion, I will tell her not to invest in Droobli, put her money into property/real estate in Australia (she has 3 properties in NZ).. tried and true investment’s, minus the short term turnover that Droobli prospects may or can make.

Take Care! If Its To Good To Be True… You Decide!

I haven’t enjoyed reading such a variety of opinions and facts and bagging out for a long time. Thank you for an afternoon’s entertainment. I started out looking for info about Droobli after someone I know urged me to look at it, and found this great website which I have since bookmarked.

It’s interesting how people who have bought into the hype of Droobli (and/or religion – not that they are the same) become derogatory when anything is said against their particular passion. If you are truly comfortable with your beliefs and choices, why do you need to convince others they are wrong if they don’t think like you, or insult them? Surely you can let others have their own opinions regardless of whether you think they are suckers (the ones who have bought into Droobli) or the ones who live in ignorance (those who are without belief in religion or Droobli for that matter)…..

Personally, I think there is a lot of great info in this forum which has helped me make a decision to use my money in other ways to create an abundant future for myself (i.e. not joining Droobli). Thanks for that. By the way, eaglescout you rock! Keep up the great work.

I am glad you are saving your money…But most people know that after 40 years (if you are still alive) Your $2995806.86 is worth about one tenth that!

I would go with some of your plan…. except lay off Starbucks for a year so I could buy a Gold package!

My 8 bucks a day will then go into a business plan that will exponentially grow at an accelerated rate far beyond what the stock market alone could do.

Now I can afford Starbucks for the next 39 years.

Take the 100 g’s I make in the first year in GroobLi and put 50% of that into real estate since we are at the bottom now, and the maybe 20% into stocks, Thereby increasing my investment in stocks, 10% into Gold, and live off of the rest. (while still working a good job until I want to fire my boss)

I appreciate your sound advice, but when something like GroobLi comes along you have to jump on it, and incorporate it into a sound business model.

Statistically; most new brick and mortar businesses eventually fail. Why do people talk people into investing in those as partners? Who looses on that huge chunk of the economy?

I have not seen a brick and mortar biz yet that costs less than a GroobLi gold package.

Look for a good opportunity like GroobLi and capitalize on it!
Calculate the return, and do it.

You will enjoy the trip to your millions much faster.

I am still amazed at how many people fall for these scams. Now, I don’t want to sound like I am on a high horse, so let me explain something…

I was caught up in a scam similar to this and I sounded like all of these people defending Droobli! It is amazing how these “psychological” scams are able to convince people of almost anything!

Yes, there is a psychological component. I’ve heard about doctors and lawyers who get mixed up in dubious “opportunities”. A lot of people want to believe that they can make millions with little effort or questionable strategies, and ignore statistics and reason.

I was caught up in a scam similar to this and I sounded like all of these people defending Droobli! It is amazing how these “psychological” scams are able to convince people of almost anything!

It doesn’t matter if you call it Droobli, Mary Kay, Amway or any of the other MLM scams. They all have the same basic premise.

The only positive thing I can say about Droobli or any of these other scams is that I wish I would have come up with the scam. There are so many stupid people to make money off of!

IF you want to be wealthy it is rather simple:

Get an education

Save

Get a job

Save

Get a better job

Save your money

Most millionaires in the United States did not make their money from owning a business or inventing something. They made it by saving their money and making wise choices in their lifetimes. It truly isn’t difficult to make a million dollars in the US. It isn’t how much they saved, it is about consistently putting money away. You can easily retire at 50 if you start putting 10% of your salary away when you are 20. If you wait until you are 60 to retire you would have a lot more. For instance… Take 10% of your 30,000 yearly Salary. 3000.00. Now simply have that diverted to a investment vehicle that is tied to the stock market. The stock market has averaged a 12% return since it started. Now what would you have if you just invested 10% of your salary over 20, 30 or 40 years? This is a conservative estimate based on you only making 30,000 a year for the rest of your life!

20 years: 249260.71
30 years: 885115.78
40 years: 2995806.86

Once again, I am not charging for this information! It is free! So if you want to see a million dollars in your lifetime, stay away from Droobli and MLM schemes.

I am 29 and put away 15% of my salary. I have been doing this since I was 20. Before you say you don’t make enough to do this, consider this… If you get Starbucks M-F at 4.00 a pop, over 30 years, you lose 254437.05 in interest alone on that 80.00 a month at Starbucks. Put away 5% if that is all you can do. Eat out for lunch everyday at $7.00 everyday? How about making your lunches on Sunday for the week? You can get the cost down to $1.00 for lunch. That is 30.00 a week you could be saving.

Another benefit? If you were to get laid off or have a costly medical procedure, you have the money to take care of it and move on without financial ruin.

This is the secret to being wealthy. Quit wasting so much energy and time on making others rich.

Wishing everyone all the best!

Martin Berns, Chief Executive Officer of BSP Rewards, stated, “Network Marketing has been a successful and productive channel for BSP thus far and we are pleased with our ability to continue to capitalize in this area with leaders in the industry. We are excited about working with our new partners at GroobLi. In only a few years GroobLi has grown their international customer base by adapting to what consumers want — high quality products, a unique reverse auction concept and the ability to increase their incomes by doing something they love. We look forward to offering GroobLi’s customers the ability to earn while they shop and provide BSP’s network of memberships the opportunity to shop through this new vehicle.”

Bobby Jensen, Founder and President of GroobLi, commented, “The new opportunity created by combining two shopping alternatives, who are both recognized leaders in their respective areas, is unparalleled. We see great potential synergies for both shopping portals to grow and diversify while strengthening their respective market positions. We were searching for an appropriate US national network of merchants that would provide our customers an opportunity to earn and save. After be introduced to BSP Rewards, we didn’t have to look further.”

“Droobli makes 4 dollars on every dollar discounted.

If a $400 item goes down to $315 and is purchased (Game #1), Droobli makes $75 * 4 = $300, and they come up 100 dollars short, because they have to pay for the item they “gave away”.

Droobli only makes money on Game #1 if they set the starting price above 75% of the market value.”

What you have here is correct except that you forgot to add the $315 dollars the customer bought it for. So that makes the comment “Droobli only makes money on Game #1 if they set the starting price above 75% of the market value.” above incorrect.

So (not taking into account bonus Paid out) This particular “game” (as you call it) actually made $615. So:
$615 – $400 = $215 to Droobli.
Now lets examine this

The Supplier of the item gets paid $400 (he is happy)
The customer who bought it at a saving of $84.20 (cost them .80c to check price and decide to buy) is happy
The person who promoted the site to him made a small amount off the click so they are happy.
Droobli made money They are Happy

People have the choice to spend .80c to possibly save hundreds, and lets face it after 4 click on an item the 5th person could buy the item and not loose their .80c. You have to be terribly unlucky to be in those first 4 clicks every time.

Now I am Pro Droobli and I will tell you why. I have been in the IT game for 20yrs and even today with so many people on the net the average user still does not understand the power or the future of the net. I do because its my job I have seen lots come and go but this one I am backing.

I have recently been introduced to the Droobli marketing plan and can say that while being skeptical I was not narrow minded enough that I couldn’t put my scepticism to the side and look into it.

I have read with intent some of the postings and much of the information provided by the negative side would appear to be reasonably biased (to be expected given the nature of the site).

When I was approached and given information on Droobli I was told in no uncertain terms…. “do your own due dilligence”. I am happy to say that most of the negative case given here (with the exception of the bankruptcy bit in Denmark that I am still pursuing) appears to be based on not having an understanding of how the marketing plan works. To put it simply…. if you dont like the shop, dont shop there…. others will.

To finish I would like to sincerely thank the posting by ifuwant2nouwill | April 13th, 2009. In this you have led me to a couple of websites that have quite frankly sold the Droobli case for me.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/droobli.com – Internet traffic rank
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ebay.com – shows Droobli is NO WHERE NEAR Ebay in clicks/activity.

Now I understand that there are Lies, Damned Lies and Statistices…. BUT what this website has shown me.. assuming it is reliable is quite exciting.

This site showed that Droobli on the latest figure has achieved a measly 0.00379% of internet traffic hits, by comparisons to ebays 2.061%. Still latest statistics show (Source http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm) that there are 839,066,446 internet users in the marketplace where I think that Droobli is operating or starting to operate. Lets assume (just to play a game for a minute) that each and every internet user makes 1 hit for the month that is opens 1 internet page and then closes it! (not unreasonable I would expect) thats 839,066,446 total hits for the month. looking at the 3-month average as supplied by “alexa.com” that equates to over 9 million hits at least on the Droobli site….. Id say there are a few people at least who like the shop! Further to this…. and I think the more exciting part is “alexa.com” shows that Droobli has had a 30% increase in internet traffic over the 3 month period…… I think that means it must be growing… I.e. more people shopping at the Droobli shop.

So thanks you again for all of the information and I will happily psot another responce in a few months to let you know who was right.

Where did you learn that? There is nothing in the GTC or ‘How does it work?’ section to that effect. There used to be a comment about a limit of *winning* three auctions per month in the later, but that has been removed.

“As for the rational of the auction its not the goal, it’s just to create a spectacle”

Droobli states ‘”Credits” are the engine that drives our business.’ From a Business Associate compensation view, the auction is the goal.

“If they buy…from the shopping side, they get rewards in the form of credits.”

Is that how the EU shops work in practice? I’ve seen web chatter to that effect regarding the ‘planned’ US site, but haven’t found anything on the EU site that suggests such a rewards program exists.

“The compensation plan is based on multiple sources. I think there are 4 or more but I’ve not drilled that far down.”

It’s all there in the Comp Plan Overview, assuming that has any relation to the Droobli Network Compensation Plan referenced on the registration page. Of course, the later has no link, so it’s difficult to confirm.

“Then there is the revenue share that GroobLi shares with the license holder (like a franchise owner) who introduced them to portal for click through on the shopping portal side and a percentage on the products purchased on the shopping side.”

I don’t see any such compensation in the current plan.

“You don’t have to buy credits when you get a license…You would still benefit from all the other income streams…”

Not true. As stated in the Comp Plan Overview and Droobli knowledgebase, BAs must purchase $499 in credits before they can earn any commissions. The Comp Plan implies it’s also an annual requirement. The stuff about not getting commission on customer credit purchases only applies if a BA passed the initial gate, but then subequently let their personal till run dry.

Good post. Don’t expect much from the shopping mall; it’s nothing more than a rebranded rewards site that is as common as dirt. The auction has been around for years now and hasn’t done hardly anything so I think the “spectacle” hype is starting to fade. What has Droobli got going for it? I really don’t know. I keep hearing hype. “Oh, they are so smart”, “Oh, they are so successful”, “Oh, the business plan is so awesome”. My response: “Show me the money; all of it, just like the big corporations have to do every quarter; then we’ll talk”.

That was a great post above.

Why can’t you pay for droobli purchases using a credit card or paypal?

Is it because droobli is a gambling site?

I’ll first say that I’m not an expert on GroobLi nor should my comments be taken as fact as I can make mistakes. Before the reader assumes that I am correct or mistaken I urge you to research it for yourself. I have not researched the founder of GroobLi but have been told that his very successful food chain in EU when bankrupt after he sold it. I have not researched the accuracy of a GroobLi bankruptcy in EU and the site provided is in a different language so I can’t read it.

Based on my research, over the past 30 calendar days (15-20 hours), I can see that some of the things that have been said above are true and others not. Many of the things that are true and “derogatory” are a snap shot in time before the site goes “public” after the shopping portal tab is added. Right now, the only people participating in the auctions or “games” are those who got credits when they bought their license or friends they sent a few credits to check it out. You won’t see much activity on the GroobLi (usa) site until after the shopping portal is add. Few credits are being distributed until that happens. Also, the items in the “completed auctions” record are only a subset of the total items that have been offered over the various auctions. I will not try and respond to them all whether I’ve found them to be true or not but here are some of the most important ones from my vantage point:

1 – When first introduced to the site I immediately thought that if the point was to get people interested in the auctions, it was worthless but only the Express is an auction, Zero and Unique bid are games. Then I thought I don’t want to have anything to do with gambling. Then I learned that there is little participation in the two “games” but mostly in the Express option which is an actual auction. I also learned that the Unique bid area limits you to making 3 bids in a month, so that limits someone to “gambling” if you will $2.40 per month. I’m not aware what restrictions exist on the Zero, perhaps none and that would be more like gambling. I haven’t resolved that one yet but though I think it’s unwise for people to “gamble” each week on the lottery, some will and I don’t.

2 – As for the rational of the auction its not the goal, it’s just to create a spectacle. Just like Google built their search engine (not out of the goodness of their heart) to provide something that people will keep using to get eyeballs and generate click through and revenue share on products that people bought. The spectacle that GroobLi is creating is for people who are in the market to buy an ipod, or a camera or shop at target or walmart and see where a stranger or better yet a friend got a deal on something they already wanted to buy. From that spectacle, they see a shopping tab (suppose to come sometime in May 2009) they can shop on-line for an item of interest. If they buy it from the shopping side, they get rewards in the form of credits. Sorta like getting rewards for using a credit card but can only be used to bid on items on the auction side. It would be nice if those could be used to buy products but that would eliminate the revenue share on the credits. I guess that’s why you have to use 2k-3k of credit card reward points to get a $15 gift certificate for blockbuster video. Not a big reward but it is an incentive. The auction side is intended to create the spectacle where people will see that they can shop on GroobLi instead of going directly to Target, Walmart or Apple’s site and receive GroobLi credits. Not to mention, if they still use their Visa or MC they will still get those reward points.

3 – The compensation plan is based on multiple sources. I think there are 4 or more but I’ve not drilled that far down. There is compensation based on others joining GroobLi as a license holder, but that is a one time event (no residual). Then there is ongoing income from the purchasing of credits by those who want to participate in the spectacle. Then there is the revenue share that GroobLi shares with the license holder (like a franchise owner) who introduced them to portal for click through on the shopping portal side and a percentage on the products purchased on the shopping side. That revenue share is not a big percentage but if I could get .01 to .05 per click through or .5% on the volume of purchasing done by everyone who made a purchase through GroobLi, that could grow very quickly and become passive income that could grow over time.

4 – You don’t have to buy credits when you get a license. The various “packages” have to do with the discount you want to get on buying credits to distribute to others (advertising) dollars if you will. You can get just a license for $175 and buy no credits ever. You would still benefit from all the other income streams except the discount margin on your customers who bought credits. If as a business license holder, you have credits and you got them for $.68/credit, any credits you customers buy, you get the difference between $.80 and $.68.

Enough of my vantage point, what I want to know is whether others who have a reasonably good understanding of their own shopping behaviors and motivations, does it seem attractive to choose to do your on-line shopping through a portal like GroobLi if you could get it for the same price if you got rewards in the form of credits that could only be used on the auction side?

Secondly, is it enough of a spectacle to have a chance to buy the iMac computer for much less than retail to go and “participate” regularly?

I welcome open dialog that is intellectually honest.

I did not reply to to the post you are referring to. I was responding to Insidious’ post.

Regarding post #65, what point are you talking about? I’m having trouble following your logic.

Everyone knows you ARE the smartest man alive. I give up trying to convince you otherwise.

What led you to think I am “the smartest man alive”, and why would you bring it up?

eaglescout = Okay, you win–and you DID reply, and you DID prove my point. See, you CAN lead a horse to water and make him pee in it. Everyone knows you ARE the smartest man alive. I give up trying to convince you otherwise. And you may even be right about Droobli–I came here to get it straight from the horse’s mouth, and you gave it from his mouth AND his, well, you know–the other end.

CU = Well? Guess you’re more confused than us all?

Back to Droobli…

What exactly are you trying to say Cameron? And why aren’t you talking about GroobLi? Sounds to me like you are off-topic.

Your comeback sucked. Try again.

Cameron -∞ : eaglescout ∞

+1 for Depp, -1 eaglescout

Don’t even bother to post a comeback. Doing so will simply show how all you care about is reading and sharing what you think are your own brilliant replies. I would appreciate it if you would share more facts about Droobli, less rambling about your dirty laundry/theories/hypothesis/philosophy/opinion/garbage. And please, I ask again, don’t reply–it will only prove my point.

“not really dissing” is not “really” honest now is it? You are dissing, and that is clear, and you do not have the respect that you claim, so it is not really honest to say that either, let alone kind.

You may recall that I respect Joseph Smith as much as I respect Michael Brudevold Jensen. As you can see, I’m very sincere about the amount of respect I have for Joseph Smith.

As for dissing Joseph Smith, well if you consider equating Joseph Smith with Bobby Jensen, “dissing”, then perhaps I am dissing Joseph Smith. But it raises a very interesting philosphical question: Am I not actually dissing Bobby Jensen by comparing him to Joseph Smith?

I believe so.

If you are trying to bring the truth out about this company, don’t forget to align yourself with it as well.

I don’t claim to be a prophet like Joseph Smith. All the Latter Day Saints I know are very honest about their doubts regarding the Church, and behind closed-curtains I’m sure you discuss your doubts about it as well.

The fact that most LDS members are honest does not mean that Joseph Smith wasn’t.

But don’t worry, most religions start out as fraud. A few out of schizophrenia.

“not really dissing” is not “really” honest now is it? You are dissing, and that is clear, and you do not have the respect that you claim, so it is not really honest to say that either, let alone kind. If you claim to know something of him, then clearly you know how he lived in relative poverty for much of his life, If you are trying to bring the truth out about this company, don’t forget to align yourself with it as well.

you are not the first, nor the last to express some kind of bitterness towards the LDS Church and Joseph Smith. I don’t know your background, but whatever happened, I am sorry that it did. I invite you to learn more, and I will try to be forthright in all my answers, I believe you have my email address if you wish. Best of luck in your posts.

I guess what I’m really saying is Michael Brudevold Jensen parallels Joseph Smiths inventions and knack for deception.

how is that even relevant.. like the arguments, don’t like the dissing of Bro. Joseph. And sorry, the golden plates didn’t make him rich, it helped cost him his life

I’m not really dissing “Brother” Joseph Smith. I’m just pointing out how much Bobby Jensen is like Joseph Smith. He needs a little more work on his cult following, however.

About the golden plates… no, they did not make Joseph Smith rich in the sense you are implying. But his little story about talking to God and translating golden plates did earn him a lot of riches in the form of tithe and multiple wives.

Seriously, have some respect.

I have a lot of respect for Joseph Smith. The same as I have for Michael Brudevold Jensen and his posse.

“the guy who sold the broke laser pointer was a great lesson for us all…”

the guy who sold his broken laser pointer didn’t pay ridiculous start up fees to do so. you are comparing apples and oranges by putting ebay or costco in the same sentence as Droobli.

Common sense tells me that if Droobli’s auction platform was such a great and revolutionary idea they:

1. wouldn’t need to require such a large buy in for associates to promote it. why cant the associate buy $100 dollars worth of credits and grow his customer base from there?

2. wouldn’t need associates to promote it in the first place. think of how much money they would be paying these associates if they really did have a large number of customers buying credits. why not just cut the associates out of the picture and charge the customer less for the credits? thus bringing in even more customers.

why didn’t eBay need associates to grow and succeed? because the idea promoted itself!!!

She never told me it was Droobli but something called “worldwide” that is was “bigger than ebay” that there was “no investment needed” blah blah. I lost my job in September so I cannot afford to “pay for hope”, that is to pay now and wait later to see if I can get enough team members under me to (1) get my money back and then (2) make a profit.

So I started searching and ran across the name GROOBLI. The more I read the more I am convinced this is what she wants to sell me. So I did some digging and came up with the links below. Thank you for this website confirming what I already suspected, too good to be true still is:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/droobli.com – shows the claim of the popularity in other countries to be FALSE

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ebay.com – shows Droobli is NO WHERE NEAR Ebay in clicks/activity

http://thedubiz.com/PDF/howitworks.pdf What you pay to “earn money” (page 2) – little backward since there is no product just “credits” with no guarantee of worth (see comp plan fine print)

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/droobli.com – Internet traffic rank

http://thedubiz.com/PDF/compensation-plan.pdf true expectations- very last paragraph on de-grading most important

http://www.auctionbizoverview.com – documentation on what is actually expected (licensing costs not given)

https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/controller – Delaware info

You will be paying even more, eventually: quote “If you upgrade your license within 30 days, you only need to pay the difference between your current license and the license to which you are upgrading. If you upgrade after 30 days, you have to pay the full price of the license to which you are upgrading”.

The pitch about buying what you already would have at Droobli instead of Costco etc. is not to effective in this economy, I haven’t and will not be buying much beyond bologna for a long time to come as well as all the people I worked with that were laid off with me that would have been my “downline”. Just not a smart venture in any direction.

They officially announced they will have and official statement soon? Sounds very official.

Reviewed and cleared by who in the states? The Attorneys General? No. State AGs are the counsel’s of the state and do not provide legal advice to individuals.

Legal & Compliance Validation: GroobLi officially announced that our business model has been legally reviewed and cleared by the 50 states & FTC for compliance with all marketing, auction, and gaming laws, and the company’s attorney was there for all to see. They will have an official statement regarding this soon.

They are being guided step by step by the leading MLM law firm in the country.

turns out this is NOT a scam—and people are making 6 figures/month

Unfortunately most people who post here do not understand the business model…nor understand the reason to drive a lot of traffic to this site to rank high in the search engines…

That’s a rhetorical question of course….

Item cost (example) $800 (Who cares about mark-up or discount?! Item price is item price regardless)
cost for a $.25 “Bid” = $.80
# of bids to reduce item to zero = 3,200
revenue achieved for $800 item = $2,560
gross margin = 220% (310% minus 100% for actual cost of the item)

If you wanted to get into the entertainment shopping/gambling gig, they should give you a 60% commission on anything your consignees buy and no stupid sign-up fees. Honestly, you pay to give your money away?? They would still get 40% of all revenue for peaks sold and since the pricing model is 220% margin, they would still get 20% over true value of anything auctioned. That at least would be more compelling to join.

They do not manufacture anything. They only provide a shopping entertainment/gambling service. Any dollar earned is a dollar that some other poor schmuck lost. It is a pyramid and you are all bad at math. Go back to school before you try to breakdown a balance sheet, for the love.

Also, keep in mind that this is just another crappy product in a long line of crappy products coming out of Ivy League school spoiled brats who think that you are all 2nd class citizens and that your money should be their money but they don’t want to work for it. Instead, they farm you for your contacts (friends and family) so that they get the whole herd giving them your cash. They also get you financially strapped to this machine so that you feel personally responsible for its success, thus they have to give less of a crap. Wake up herd and get a real job.

If you’d like some free credits to try out in the coming weeks, shoot me an email: clajr1@gmail.com

I hate to be so…..NEGATIVE..but the enthusiasm, and cultish
behavior of some UPLINE people made me AGAIN SCEPTICAL.
I work in strategic research and I found the programmer that designed GROOBLI site in Germany..he did a good job and designed other sites for Auctions. He is good and did another auction site too…Probalby on the cheap..I am getting a quote…

Here’s the company’s website.

http://www.incplan.net/about.html

Note the address at the bottom.

Basically, you CAN make money…by recruiting, recruiting, recruiting….but there are only going to be a few really good internet marketers (or MLMers with big downlines) who are going to be successful at that.

Thanks for posting the articles and putting up with the crazies. Droobli-ous is obviously a pyramid scheme. The creepy thing is the lack of negative information on the web. How have they managed to suppress it or has there been so little interest in Droobli that it hasn’t made much news outside of the cult itself where everyone is trying to bullshit each other until the pyramid collapses? I watched parts of their jargon-laden videos and when people start using the kind of terminology that sounds impressive but means nothing I immediately switch off. How can anyone compare that crap to Ebay?

Droobli promo site:
http://www.smartwinshop.com/ why not a droobli domain?
Registrant:
Kate Davis
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SMARTWINSHOP.COM
Created on: 09-Sep-08
Expires on: 09-Sep-09
Last Updated on: 09-Sep-08

Administrative Contact:
Davis, Kate sdavis40@gmail.com <impressive gmail account
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
(360) 828-8381 Fax —

Technical Contact:
Davis, Kate sdavis40@gmail.com < this is their programming dept. and they compare themselves with Ebay?
17005 SE 28th Street
Vancouver, Washington 98683
United States
(360) 828-8381 Fax —

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.MYSHOPPINGCOMMUNITY.COM < what a joke
NS2.MYSHOPPINGCOMMUNITY.COM

Basically enough said. Im not in the market for a way to screw others out of hard earned money with promises of a fortune.

I am a business and investment consultant, and have worked with hundreds of companies, and individuals. I would never recommend that an individual work with a bankrupt company, that mandates a substantial upfront fee.

If GM doesn’t get a government bailout, and are going to declare BK, but decide that people can “buy in” to an MLM discount program to get lower prices on their cars, that wouldn’t make sense.

If a company has shown their character already by declaring BK because of a faulty business plan, why pay them a ton of money to be able to help them make more money?

NOW, I will admit that I don’t know anything about the plan yet. HOWEVER, by reading this thread it seems that those who are criticizing GroobLi, are giving facts, references, and numbers. And those supporting GroobLi are calling names, insulting people who differ from their views, and are citing future potential in place of past performance.

she says they are using “viral marketing” because it is the cheapest and best way to get the word out about their new and exciting product. YEEEE! she is also convinced that there will be a “media blitz” in the next few weeks. droobli will be on everyone’s mind!

in her pitch to me, she said, “don’t you think in the next few years everyone will be using the internet to do their shopping?” if you want to get in on the ground floor of internet merchandising, i’d say you are at least 10 years too late. droobli adds nothing to online shopping. the site offers no way to search for products. there seems to be a token item in several different categories (perfume, digital camera, gaming system), but no real choices.

i’m rambling, but my immediately family and i have been amazed (my brother claims to be embarrassed) at my aunt’s conviction that she will retire in 2010.

a few years ago, someone told her that San Filipe was going to be the new Cabo. She put down money for a condo. they never even started to build the condo. she lost 100,000US. so i guess this 3200 isn’t so bad?

rk

Thank you for your concern. I am well.

I would like to know who eagle scout is and what credentials this person has for making comments as stated in this thread about the comparisons of e-bay and droobli.

Grade school math.

When you go to Costco, you don’t risk $3000 for a lottery, and you can buy the membership directly from Costco, instead of from some weird GroobLi “customer” with an ugly-looking website who is willing to lie to you about the way GroobLi works.

I noticed your post. I wonder, are you a member of Costco? If so, you are indeed already paying to shop. The only difference here is that oyu don’t have to get into your car to see if the deals make sense. If I get into my car, I have gas costs, oil costs, and of course a car payment that all go into the amount of money each shoppinf trip represents. If I go onto Droobli and look at, say 5 different items, I have spent a total of $4.00. With that $4, I have the ability ot determine exactly which product I wish to go forward with, assuming any meet my needs, or are priced advantageously.

Note, your Costco membership is around $75 per year. That is due up-front, before you are even allowed in the building.

My head’s-a-spinnin’ since I found your forum (or blog, or whatever you call it).

I am a firm believer in leverage, which most home-based businesses allow the average person to take advantage of in a capitalistic fashion. You know, the whole “…you get out of it what you put into it” routine.

Unfortunately, most home-based business owners start their business with the intent of treating it like a hobby, expecting riches from the efforts of others while they sit on the beach. This isn’t an accurate portrayal of reality.

For those who actually treat it like a business and work to make sales (no matter what the product/service) income will almost inevitably follow.

As for the legitimacy of Droobli, only time will tell. I personally don’t want to give my money to a company for the “right” to purchase goods at a reduced price. I would rather do it for free on Craig’s List or any of the other millions of sites that are designed to do the same thing.

I know that I am not as smart as everybody else on here, but I am at least smart enough to learn from my mistakes. My mistakes include fiscal irresponsibility-practically GIVING my money to others in the past. Now you’d be hard-pressed to get me to open my wallet. As a matter of fact, I can’t believe that I am even spending my TIME with this post! I have more important things to do than ramble.

They were even saying the office in Delaware was no more than the equivalent of a post office box. I don’t know if they were right, but the “new” warehouse in Arizona is nothing more than a small religious facility.

Here is the statement (as published above) that is being questioned:

‘Droobli.com was established in June 2003 and is a privately held company registered in Delaware, USA.’

No where in that statement do they claim or infer that they have been registered in Delaware since 2003. The word ‘and’ is a conjunction which joins two separate sentences.

1. Established in 2003 is fact #1
2. Registered in Delaware is fact #2
Two separate sentences stating two distinctly separate facts.

There are many companies which come to the U.S. that were established well before there arrival and registration in the U.S.

Please re-read their statement closely and slowly and without bias and you will see what I mean.

Thank you.

GroobLi.com LLC
20C Trolley Square Suite
Wilmington,Delaware 19801, USA
Registration no.: 4153725

GroobLi Network LLC
20C Trolley Square Suite
Wilmington, Delaware, DE 19806 USA
Registration no.: 4153713

Thanks!

On this page you have the following quote:

“According to the FBI selling licenses primarily for the right to sell more licenses is illegal.”

Can you tell me how, other than contacting the FBI directly, I could find out if this quote is true?

Thank you!

Eric, while slightly out of touch with reality, does have one correct point – those who come in first will make money, the money the other 88% will lose. Isn’t that the whole point of the pyramid scheme?

It was correctly said “There’s one born every minute” and it seems all of them are flocking to droobli, lmao.

First, there are so many errors in your argument that Droobli is a scam, you are truly reaching for straws on most of them.”

For example?

Droobli is moving into the US with systems you dont understand as we speak, [...]

For example?

I do however want to thank you for helping those that want into “the opportunity” side of Droobli but are “fragile thinkers” like you, stay out for now so the people in the know can take as large of market share of what we know is already happening from experience.

Are you saying “the opportunity” is a security investment?

BTW- how much do you charge for your advertising space in this site?

Depends. What are you advertising, and how much do you want to pay?

Everyone has an adgenda…..your no different.

Can’t disagree with you there.

Also, I made 3k in my first week in Droobli, but your right, it is a scam….keep up the good fight! Send me your home address and I will drive by in the Lambo from money made in this deal.

Hahahaha, Lambo as in Lamborghini? GroobLi doesn’t make enough money from actual unbundled product sales to buy Bobby Jensen a Lamborghini.

The only way Bobby Jensen could buy himself a Lamborghini would be from secondary, not-”at-cost”, overpriced advertising
tools and subscriptions, such as the bronze, silver, and gold packages.

Better yet, I will drive by in the Mini Cooper that I bought on the site. It will be awesome to actually drive a “Scam” that came at a great price.

You mean, the one GroobLi hasn’t yet awarded?

research the gold rush, those that walked in first- won, while the rest of the hecklers lived with regret.

This is even funnier. If the “hecklers” had done their research, they would have gone to California and never regretted anything.

History will repeat itself in this monster I can assure you.

You know there’s this story about Joseph Smith, I don’t know if you’ve heard it. He claimed to have found golden plates and a lot of people joined his cult. I think people are still looking for them golden plates. Have you seen them?

Maybe history will repeat itself after all.

And guess who got rich? Joseph Smith, not you.

In an effort to protect the trailblazers, you have no idea who the Men and Women are and their reputations in business, that are taking a very serious role in grabbing up market share right now as I write this.

Right. It’s all about reputation and you are a “trailblazer”.

Do you really think lying helps your reputation? How about Bobby Jensen’s reputation?

you have no idea who the Men and Women are and their reputations in business

Sounds to me like these Men and Women have indoctrinated you into a cult. If that’s the case, it’s not your fault. There’s nothing you can do about it. You have no choice but to believe that Bobby Jensen is your daddy. Remember Bobby Jensen loves you more than Jesus.

I hate to say it but in about 3-6 months you will be on the business end of the biggest “see I told you so” example of anyone that has ever bashed a start up on the web.

After all your lies of success, the only person that’s going to get rich with your money is Bobby Jensen aka Jesus.

I found an interesting article about why peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are bad and that we really did not land on the moon on the web. Your in good company.

I read somewhere that GroobLi is not a cult! What a coincidence!

Finally and the real point is this, “what do YOU do for a living?”

That was the whole point? I thought you were trying sell me your religion!

that should be a great platform to dismantle your entire position.

Right, because public bankruptcy records from Denmark are meaningless. On the other hand, if I’m rich and successful, I just want to compete with GroobLi. And if I’m poor I’ll just never understand the GroobLi “systems”.

Oh well, if GroobLi is a gold mine, then why does it matter if I say it’s a scam?

Ebay had issues early on and was smart enough to resolve them as they arised. I do however want to thank you for helping those that want into “the opportunity” side of Droobli but are “fragile thinkers” like you, stay out for now so the people in the know can take as large of market share of what we know is already happening from experience. BTW- how much do you charge for your advertising space in this site? Everyone has an adgenda…..your no different.

Also, I made 3k in my first week in Droobli, but your right, it is a scam….keep up the good fight! Send me your home address and I will drive by in the Lambo from money made in this deal. Better yet, I will drive by in the Mini Cooper that I bought on the site. It will be awesome to actually drive a “Scam” that came at a great price.

research the gold rush, those that walked in first- won, while the rest of the hecklers lived with regret. History will repeat itself in this monster I can assure you. In an effort to protect the trailblazers, you have no idea who the Men and Women are and their reputations in business, that are taking a very serious role in grabbing up market share right now as I write this.

I hate to say it but in about 3-6 months you will be on the business end of the biggest “see I told you so” example of anyone that has ever bashed a start up on the web.

I found an interesting article about why peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are bad and that we really did not land on the moon on the web. Your in good company.

Finally and the real point is this, “what do YOU do for a living?” that should be a great platform to dismantle your entire position.

“you state that Droobli makes most of it’s money off of selling licenses. But, this is not my understanding based off a presentation I went to. Droobli business associates make money by selling credits.”

It’s a word game inspired by creative accounting.

Think about it this way: Does GroobLi allow you to join the network and make money without the transfer of GroobLi credits?

If the answer is no, and you can only get GroobLi credits from GroobLi, then the credits have effectively taken the place of of a license.

“Droobli, in fact, seems to be in the business of selling credits.”

That’s a really clever illusion. The credits serve multiple purposes at different times. Usually they serve as gambling tokens. But when they bundle the credits with your advertising package they become a non-optional license to distribute more licensing.

So it is really important to ask if the credits are functionally licenses or functionally gambling tokens.

“They acution seems to be created to give the people a place to use those credits (and yes, Droobli associates don’t make any money off of items bid on, they only get paid on the credits purchased to place the bid).”

This is a really interesting point you just made. Say a droobLi associate is not interested in the gambling; just the ability to make money. You have a surplus of tokens you didn’t ask for, so instead of completely wasting them, you might as well gamble them.

Remember the 3% figure? That means it’s actually much lower, because part of the gambling comes from unsolicited/unwanted credits that were bundled with your ad package.

“you’re right in the sense that they make more money by signing people up or getting people to use the site vs. the auction.”

That’s not actually my claim; it’s not that they make more money from using the site; it’s that they make more significantly more money from selling tokens-as-licenses vs. selling tokens-as-gambling-currency.

“however, I very sincerely pose the question, what is wrong with that?”

According to the FBI selling licenses primarily for the right to sell more licenses is illegal.

The second reason is that bundled tokens are a waste of money to promoters who don’t want them. If you unbundle them, the promoter gets more value for their money.

The most important reason I can think of on top of my head, is that the odds of making more money than you started out with are about 3:97 if GroobLi is legitimate.

In other words, for every $3000 you spend on GroobLi, on average you will lose $2910 dollars.

And that doesn’t take into account the several ways in which GroobLi can help you fail.

you state that Droobli makes most of it’s money off of selling licenses. But, this is not my understanding based off a presentation I went to. Droobli business associates make money by selling credits.

When you sign up at either bronze, silver or gold level you are also given a certain amount of credits with your package. It is these credits that allow the person bringing you in to get paid. So the person, above me will get paid a certain commission of the sell of those credits to me and not a license sold. In fact, they don’t sell any license. They use the term licesne as a title.

Droobli, in fact, seems to be in the business of selling credits. They acution seems to be created to give the people a place to use those credits (and yes, Droobli associates don’t make any money off of items bid on, they only get paid on the credits purchased to place the bid). you’re right in the sense that they make more money by signing people up or getting people to use the site vs. the auction. however, I very sincerely pose the question, what is wrong with that?

Still searching for the truth. Thanks,

Any scathing remarks are generally directed at people who are consistently and deliberately posting misinformation.

I really enjoyed your empty threat; It lacks creativity and correct grammar, but was amusing nonetheless.

C-

http://www.cvr.dk/Site/Forms/PublicService/DisplayCompany.aspx?cvrnr=28323611

Go to the Central Business Center of Denmark.

That is correct. GroobLi did register in 2006, 3 months before they went bankrupt in Denmark.

http://www.corp.delaware.gov/onlinestatus.shtml

Droobli and Droobli Network are registered, active and in good standing in Delaware. You can search https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/controller and put in the file number: 4153713 for Droobli Network LLC and 4153725 for Droobli.com LLC.

They have found a way to mix fictitious and international conversion rates so as to charge,

692+628+249 dollars for the cheapest package ($1569)
and
3777+2517+1595 dollars for the largest package ($7889)

Also, the renewal fees are not 150 dollars as previously discussed. You have to renew your membership at $692, $1574 or $3777 (per current exchange rate).