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GroobLi Network LLC. Great Liars or the Greatest Liars?

[Letter privately distributed by GroobLi removed]

I am paraphrasing GroobLi’s statement because they claim it is copyrighted:

[Brudevold Hansen never bankrupted a fly because evidence to support that claim is not to be found on the internet]

[Santi Fuentes exists and he doesn't need GroobLi's permission to scam people.]

[GroobLi is not an illegal business structure sustained by deceptive business models and veritably, if we can remove it from the internet it's not true]

[Some people want to destroy our reputation]

True but irrelevant.

[eaglescout is lying about GroobLi on "Spin Factor" for reasons having to do with competition]

For obvious competitive reasons? I’m still waiting to find out what those are. Who competes with GroobLi anyway?

[The evidence is too damaging and we will find a way to silence it with through our lawyers]

You mean “malicious” like trying to copy our logo and spamming the internet with strange keywords? Very mature.

By the way, our legal team is waiting to hear from yours.

[Some stuff said on "Spin Factor" is not true]

That’s true. GroobLi associates visit often and leave false and irresponsible comments.

[Absolute Certainty: GroobLi could participate in a stock exchange]

Yes, you keep saying that since 2006. Santi Fuentes, Spain’s Country Manager, also said that.

Prefixing a statement with “Fact:” doesn’t make it a fact.

[speculators love EPS, so speculators will love GroobLi]

How interesting. I guess the public stockholders of Enron picked the perfect metric for assessing its value.

Will you report your P/E on the gambling front of your “business” (3% of your profit margin,) or will it be on a derivative of your “pay-us-so-you-can-advertise-us” debt-selling and distribution licenses (97% of your profit margin) ?

[Even a retard gets it, people who enjoy clicking buttons will love GroobLi, people who don't like clicking buttons, or divining outcomes will stop clicking buttons.]

That’s a false choice fallacy. All advertising packages must be bought in credits, and because the credit package prices are uneven with the cost of the advertising packages, all non-”auction” transactions result in a remainder of GroobLi credits. Therefore, your promoters end up with credits, whether they sought them or not.

["Spin Factor's" statement of truth that a gambler could spend lots of money on divining the outcomes in fact a statement of falsity]

Wonderful, out of context quoting. I never attribute the “ripping-off” to “easily spending 100 Euros in guesses”. Of course that is an absurd statement, fortunately you made it up. Have you got any more straw-man fallacies GroobLi?

[GroobLi customers can click as much as they want]

And why is this relevant? Did someone claim otherwise?

[The customers who don't like clicking incessantly will eventually stop]

That’s true. It’s probably the reason why you have to resort to selling franchise fraud.

[The claim by "Spin Factor" that a gambler could spend lots of money on divining the outcomes was conceived in the mind of the website.]

Really? Since GroobLi fabricated the assertion through out-of-context quotations, wouldn’t it actually reflect on GroobLi’s bad PR strategies?

[Statement of Certainty: We don't make people pay twice anymore]

Well, at last, a truthful assertion. I did claim that. You know what GroobLi? Let me offer you a discounted apology. But first, you have to claim and redeem the apology within 15 days, or it is no longer valid.

[Regarding Santi Fuentes]

[What Santi Fuentes does in Colombia stays in Colombia, it's really not GroobLi's fault.]

Of course not. Did someone claim GroobLi was responsible for the actions of Santi Fuentes? I was merely noticing a pattern between GroobLi’s Spain Country Manager’s involvement in GroobLi and other indications of deception, such as Bobby Jensen’s multiple bankruptcies in Denmark.

The fact that GroobLi would lie about something that’s a matter of public record is pretty shocking.

[GroobLi...]

Thank you for clarifying. It was stated as speculation, so I offer you no discounted apologies. It is interesting, however, that every single “independent” advertisement for GroobLi begins with “Is GroobLi a scam? no, they were mistaken with a company in Dubai”, or, “Is GroobLi a scam or a money-making opportunity?” As a matter of fact, the same material, often translated verbatim, can be found in now-obsolete European promoters’ web sites. It is interesting that GroobLi promoters would choose to promote GroobLi almost exclusively by publishing numerous identical articles about scams, as if they wanted to drown out legitimate information on GroobLi’s deceptive practices.

[The business of GroobLi is not the business of games of chance]

No? GroobLi is not a lottery? So what determines the winner of the zero-”auction”? – i.e., besides chance and the number of active gamblers?

[11 out of 10 State Attorneys recommend GroobLi because they know it is not a lottery]

No citation? Do you have any signatures? I can see why you embedded your statement within non-text-searchable images within a non-crawlable flash movie, and furthermore buried the second page (which includes the most shocking lies) from plain view. It’s embarrassing.

I could go on, but this is a good place to stop. You clarified a couple of questions I had, and corrected one of my (outdated) assertions. On the other hand, just about everything you wrote was a lie or a fallacious distortion, which explains why you made your GroobLi Statement so obscure, inaccessible and difficult to find.

Groobli, that’s as constructive criticism as you are going to get.

Sincerely,

The Spin Factor Team.

December 10th, 2008 Posted by eaglescout | Bankruptcy, Cute, Fraud, Lies, Logical Fallacies, Rip-Off, Scam | 14 comments